Mini 1859: D&D Curse of Strahd Mafia - Game Over

Pine · Post Post #1775 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:11 pm

See, that's a worthwhile opinion.

Side note: This is actually a pretty decent way to make low-significance choices that you're indecisive about. Can't decide whether you want McDonald's or Burger King? Flip a coin. If you liked the outcome, then either that's the one you wanted anyway, or it truly didn't matter. Either way, decision made. If you're dismayed by the outcome, just ignore it and go to the other one. Decision made.

Pine · Post Post #1776 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:12 pm

I'll send in the power use tomorrow around lunch time, try to have opinions in by then.

I also accept "Don't use the power, we're not lynching you Pine."

Clumsy · Post Post #1777 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:14 pm

Culted is V/LA until the 2nd. Shaddowez is at prod timer, but it is the weekend and he is V/LA, so it will wait. Prod will go out if they haven't posted by the end of the day Monday though.

Day Two deadline is: (expired on 2017-01-03 14:00:00), which is 2 PM Eastern Time on the 3rd.

Prodding Vince McMahon. They haven't posted in a while. ;)

Persivul · Post Post #1778 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:48 am

In post 1773, Pine wrote:As much as I'd rather not waste such a useful ability at all

It's not useful at all at this point. People don't gain special insight from dying. It's really only useful if an investigative dies without naming or crumbing some innocents. Even then, it's only useful to the extent that you're trusted.

Pine · Post Post #1779 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:51 am

^Thats a scumpost. I'm not uncertain on Persivul anymore

Persivul · Post Post #1780 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:20 am

What's scummy about it?

Pine · Post Post #1781 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:36 am

You want to lynch me, but think actually using the power before I die shouldn't be done. You don't want any additional information.

VOTE: Persivul

Persivul · Post Post #1782 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:32 am

In post 1781, Pine wrote:You want to lynch me, but think actually using the power before I die shouldn't be done.

If I were in your position and town, I wouldn't waste the power. It's just a LAMIST play on your part. And, while I believe that a cleric could speak with the dead, it seems reasonable to believe that a vampire could as well.

You don't want any additional information.

From those two? No. As noted, they don't have anything useful to give. If you were town, you'd be saving this.

Shaziro · Post Post #1783 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:36 am

Speak With Dead is a Cleric spell, vampires do not get it. Pine is town, Dreal is not.

drealmerz7 · Post Post #1784 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:37 am

or, ya know, he can speak with the dead because he is undead servant of Strahd and his fakeclaim he was given is cleric but he's a warlock or someshit

geezus shaz you're really hurting the game with all that shit if you're town

Andrius · Post Post #1785 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:04 am

In post 1784, drealmerz7 wrote:or, ya know, he can speak with the dead because he is undead servant of Strahd and his fakeclaim he was given is cleric but he's a warlock or someshit

geezus shaz you're really hurting the game with all that shit if you're town

But it was culted going I'm just going to go along with Shaz' flavor junk.
I can see Shaz town here.
I can also see culted scum piggying off of Shaz.
He catches up infrequently and wallposts.

Persivul · Post Post #1786 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:08 am

In post 1783, Shaziro wrote:Speak With Dead is a Cleric spell, vampires do not get it. Pine is town, Dreal is not.

How about Strahd himself? I can't find the exact 5e details on him, but in previous versions he was a powerful necromancer.

Andrius · Post Post #1787 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:10 am

In post 1783, Shaziro wrote:Speak With Dead is a Cleric spell, vampires do not get it. Pine is town, Dreal is not.

Look, I appreciate your flavor knowledge and stuff like this.
As long as its not solely driving your reads we're good here.
Because you're ignoring all the mod-side design aspects here.

Let's suppose Strahd has a one-shot bulletproof. He could pass it off as a Self-protecting Cleric.
If Strahd can talk to the dead or some crap b/c vampire/undead, he could pass it off as Speak With Dead as a Cleric spell.
I'm sure I don't need to tell you this but thinking like this can be dangerous.

Persivul · Post Post #1788 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:12 am

In post 1745, Persivul wrote:
In post 1148, Andrius wrote:
Persivul is 100% town.

I am confirming receipt of something I received in the middle of the night.
You know who you are.

In post 1154, Andrius wrote:
In post 1074, Andrius wrote:TOWN
Pine
drealmerz
Shaziro
culted
SlySly
shadow

Dunn
Kuroi

SCUM
Jason
Persivul
Kuror0
Creature
Creature dead.
Jason dead.
Persivul moves up two blocks.
Did some reading, confident in a townread on him
.

Reads need work
A sudden switch to 100% indicates something more than a read. You then say it was just a read. Which is it?

Andrius · Post Post #1789 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:19 am

Maybe I saw something in a reread that made me change my mind.

Andrius · Post Post #1790 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:21 am

The two are the same - if I just came out swinging a complete reversal without some justification someone would call me out for it. I did some work overnight and my read changed.

Persivul · Post Post #1791 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:29 am

Huh, I don't get 100% reads ever.

But, since you have me as 100% town, why aren't you accepting my guarantee that Culted is town?

Andrius · Post Post #1792 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:32 am

You're not *actually* 100% town.
That'd be near impossible.
But close.

I didnt know you had a guarantee on culted.
But you have piqued my interest.

Pine · Post Post #1793 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:36 am

Speak with dead doesn't make any damn sense as a scum power. They're the informed minority and gain nothing from talking to dead Town. Cure Wounds doesn't make sense for scum either.

drealmerz7 · Post Post #1794 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:38 am

what part of mod-provided fakeclaim is hard to understand?

it's not like I'm even arguing that is the case, I'm arguing to shaz who thinks everything is lock-solid-obvious when I can see a bunch of ways that it's not necessarily like that

especially considering I know he's just flat out wrong and pushing bad information regarding me

Shaziro · Post Post #1795 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:39 am

In post 1784, drealmerz7 wrote:or, ya know, he can speak with the dead because he is undead servant of Strahd and his fakeclaim he was given is cleric but he's a warlock or someshit

geezus shaz you're really hurting the game with all that shit if you're town

"You're 100% scum, but if you're town stop pointing out that the lore of the game (which hasn't been wrong thus far) says Pine is telling the truth, it really fucks up my fake ass read on him"

In post 1786, Persivul wrote:
In post 1783, Shaziro wrote:Speak With Dead is a Cleric spell, vampires do not get it. Pine is town, Dreal is not.
How about Strahd himself? I can't find the exact 5e details on him, but in previous versions he was a powerful necromancer.

Nah, he can't speak with dead and neither can any vampire. They can speak with undead, anyone can so long as they're sentient (as if they are they will speak the languages they spoke in life), but not with dead spirits.

In post 1787, Andrius wrote:
In post 1783, Shaziro wrote:Speak With Dead is a Cleric spell, vampires do not get it. Pine is town, Dreal is not.
Look, I appreciate your flavor knowledge and stuff like this.
As long as its not solely driving your reads we're good here.
Because you're ignoring all the mod-side design aspects here.

Let's suppose Strahd has a one-shot bulletproof. He could pass it off as a Self-protecting Cleric.
If Strahd can talk to the dead or some crap b/c vampire/undead, he could pass it off as Speak With Dead as a Cleric spell.
I'm sure I don't need to tell you this but thinking like this can be dangerous.

Thing is, Strahd -can't- do that. While yes, I understand that the mod will fit things into the lore as he needs for balance, he would do so by having Pine be some manner of -evil- cleric. Those -are- a thing. But, from what I have seen, all legitimate classes thus far are player characters, so I suspect that Player Class roles and Good NPC roles will be town, while any of the many monsters, evil NPCS, and Strahd himself will all be potential scum. That fits in with my knowledge of the campaign.

Also, what the fuck is the good of scum speaking with dead town? To feed misinformation? To do that, they would just pretend to have the ability to do it, why would they -actually- have the ability?

Dreal would be a 100% townread if his roleclaim wasn't fake as shit and incredibly inconsistant, along with all the bullshit ATE that was aimed at getting -me- lynched for questioning him and catching it. Pine outright said that in his last scum game, he screamed and tantrumed and ATE'd to try and get somebody lynched, but you're all ignoring that he's doing the same thing now. Dreal is scum who got caught fakeclaiming, I'm not letting it slide. Dunn has a very reasonable claim what with being a barbarian and having the intimidating presence, that -is- an ability of theirs, barbarians are well known for being "That Guy" in groups who cause lots of shit, it makes perfect sense to me as a miller. They're a PC, but the other PCs are uncomfortable with them. Pine is claiming a cleric who can heal, that makes sense, as does him having Speak with Dead. It also makes perfect sense why he wanted the holy symbol as a result.

P-edit: Evil Clerics in 3.5 got Cause Wounds rather than Cure Wounds, but in 5th edition they all get Cure actually.

Andrius · Post Post #1796 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:41 am

In post 1793, Pine wrote:Speak with dead doesn't make any damn sense as a scum power. They're the informed minority and gain nothing from talking to dead Town. Cure Wounds doesn't make sense for scum either.

I've used it before. shrug
Healing spells are totally useful to scum.
Didn't we agree that Creature was a vig kill?
Hence the possibility that a Scum Doc would be useful.

Persivul · Post Post #1797 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:43 am

In post 1792, Andrius wrote:You're not *actually* 100% town.
That'd be near impossible.
But close.

I didnt know you had a guarantee on culted.
But you have piqued my interest.

If you believe the claims and assume scum aren't conf-towning people, then kuror, kuroi, me, and culted are all town. With creature's flip, there are probably 3 scum remaining, and they're in:

Pine
shaddowez
drealmerz7
Shaziro
Dunnstral
SlySly
Andrius

Andrius · Post Post #1798 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:43 am

In post 1795, Shaziro wrote:Also, what the fuck is the good of scum speaking with dead town? To feed misinformation? To do that, they would just pretend to have the ability to do it, why would they -actually- have the ability?

Why would you give TOWN the ability to speak with the dead?
Get investigative results from dead townies, get results from any power role once they're dead.
I mean its a BIT mitigated in this game since people flip with their Role PMs, so we don't NEED to ask what they've been doing each night.

I mean its not TOP TIER power but it has its uses.
Also depends largely on the player.
I'd have a circus with a neighborize-the-dead ability.

Andrius · Post Post #1799 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:44 am

In post 1797, Persivul wrote:
In post 1792, Andrius wrote:You're not *actually* 100% town.
That'd be near impossible.
But close.

I didnt know you had a guarantee on culted.
But you have piqued my interest.
If you believe the claims and assume scum aren't conf-towning people, then kuror, kuroi, me, and culted are all town. With creature's flip, there are probably 3 scum remaining, and they're in:

Pine
shaddowez
drealmerz7
Shaziro
Dunnstral
SlySly
Andrius

How the crap did kuror0 get into that list?
Still haven't seen where you mentioned the guarantee.

I'd still not cry if culted died overnight.