???In post 1710, Human Sequencer wrote:Although both you and Grey were gunning for AA
grey wasn't gunning for me
???In post 1710, Human Sequencer wrote:Although both you and Grey were gunning for AA
Grey's reads evolved beyond that though, because he was scumhuntingIn post 1721, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:TwoFace and conf!town Grey both thought they caught Naomi in a slip, you can't say it's a scum motivated logic and not the possibility that it's his actual lead.
though OTOH I would like to hear from Naomi about thisIn post 1747, TwoFace wrote:I just don't remember her being shy with her votes.
Coasting? Fuck you for manipulating my v/la around Christmas.In post 1751, All Alone wrote:TwoFace is is still coasting on this point two phases later,
BullshitIn post 1753, All Alone wrote:I didn't notice you were vla, and tbh, I really don't care
Btw this part makes you a shitty human. Never play with me again please. You insufferable grinchIn post 1753, All Alone wrote:really don't care
Like legit I don't see why town would be so prettyIn post 1739, Alisae wrote:In post 1724, Flubbernugget wrote:In post 1608, Alisae wrote:Actually, why didn't Krylea claim?
And who did she try to kill N1? Grey?
It might be worth awhile to go back to her ISO or something to see if she crumbed or something or if she somehow softed or some shit to scum. It could have been very likely that she SK told to one of the scum and that's why there was a push on her.So yeah there's no reason to town read a sk hammer but what exactly is your problem here?In post 1640, Alisae wrote:And I just noticed that no one bought my attmept to fake gladiate. Aww rip ;~;
Yeah, I still think that their vote on me is still scummy as fuck.
Like legit I don't see why town would compare my play to my first ever game of mafia ever.
what did I accuse you of that wasn't trueIn post 1758, TwoFace wrote:especially when the stuff you're accusing me of isn't true
In post 1571, TwoFace wrote:I also think you're confirmed scum to me but people want to ignore that, especially after dashie tried to downplay your slip.
Oh no! I just got thrown out of the brick kicking contest. I got disqualified, for not kicking even a single brickIn post 1636, TwoFace wrote:She scum slipped.
Mafia tried to deny it happened.
Aside from that her play is different than what I've see from town.
Scumclaim IMO.In post 1761, Flubbernugget wrote:So if we lynch through Naomi alisae and AA that should be game
In post 1721, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:TwoFace and conf!town Grey both thought they caught Naomi in a slip, you can't say it's a scum motivated logic and not the possibility that it's his actual lead.
Naomi also hard defended Rainbow and pushed for Grey, which has been proven to get scum revealed/lynched. So added to that fact, I'm more than willing to lynch Naomi.
It's also good to note that Naomi said she is usually really good at getting reads right, but when she does produce them, she says it in a way that goes like "Hey I think this, but don't trust me, I'm not sure I think it." I'm seeing it as a form of fence sitting so no blame can be attached to her.
This is inconsistent.In post 781, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:The idea came to me to do a mini VA on Grey and report what I see.
RVS: Sheepvote, beginning of the game, you can't expect much from anything really.
This is still early in the game but it starts a trend I've been following with his voting pattern. Ircher saying he has a low win rate and wanting him lynched sounds like he's pushing for a policy lynch and policy lynches are meant for townies, so to push for one instead of ignoring said townie raises a yellow flag.In post 84, -Grey- wrote:VOTE: IrcherIn post 81, Ircher wrote:Anyway, would like to point everyone to my wiki page with an ~30% or so win rate.
Already making excuses for his poor decisions.
This vote was just a sheep vote, but what I find suspicious about it is that it only took him 15 minutes and one post from HS to say, "I'll go switch my vote because no reason." If Grey actually wanted to pursue a scum read on Ircher, he would have kept his vote on Ircher and pushed him. This vote shows he doesn't actually care who is voted, he just wants someone lynched in general and that's a scum mindset.In post 101, -Grey- wrote:Request granted.In post 98, Human Sequencer wrote:I'm not worried about a flash lynch.
I'm just a lot more interested in what Ircher has to say about a Gamma wagon than I am with the players reversed.
VOTE: Gamma
1:22 to 2:39, just a little over an hour and a 40ish posts on the "gamma wagon." That's not "long enough," that's barely any time at all honestly. It didn't allow an actual discussion to form on Gamma. I see the motive as preventing town from actually trying to solve players by forcing the wheel around in circles.
It's getting obvious the trend we see in Grey's vote patterns, he's following the wagons onto anyone that has small case being built onto them. He doesn't actually hold opinions of his own and, to funnily enough quote Alisae, is voting without conviction. The difference here is that he does this too many times for it to be a reaction test, he just fence sits and hops onto any opportunity to mislynch that he can get.
This is actually hindsight talking but the personality traits and voting patterns I see with Alisae is that 1) She is extra careful with her vote and uses it as if it's a loaded gun instead of a tool in the fashion that say, I would use it in; and 2) She strongly believes in having a case built up before voting someone, ergo all that and you get an understandable reason that Alisae simply won't vote TF because instead, she is taking the time to figure out all the possibilities.In post 303, -Grey- wrote:What's with the lynchbait paranoia?In post 279, Alisae wrote:BTW Naomi do you think your weak scum read on TwoFace could come from him trying to be lynch bait or something?
It's like you're afraid of getting on the wrong wagon.
VOTE: Alisae
What I don't like about the vote is that i'm reading it as Grey is trying to rush Alisae into voting and get her flustered/manipulate her to vote anyone or just cause chaos instead of game solving.
This is arguing semantics and honestly it's an opportunistic vote. What Grey doesn't do here is look at Naomi at a whole, doesn't look at any possible scum motives or any of that to back up a possible lead. He just found something small he can pick up on and try to build a case but it's a hallow case at best because it's not actually a slip.In post 489, -Grey- wrote:"given" is not an assumption, it's a statement of fact.In post 488, Naomi-Tan wrote:its not in the rules so Im assuming.In post 483, -Grey- wrote:How do you know this?In post 482, Naomi-Tan wrote:given that Reds have no day talk
VOTE: Naomi
You slipped hard.
I'm trying to dissect this post and what it's saying:In post 588, -Grey- wrote:So, Gamma is voting me for voting Naomi over a slip, but completely ignoring 2F who is not only sheeping my push but advancing with it after Gamma stated in thread that he doesn't believe it's a slip.
Town Gamma would have picked up on 2F continuing to push what he considers a non-slip and voted him.
Possible Gamma/2F team. (I read 2F as possible scum for other reasons)
VOTE: Gamma
He says Gamma votes him because Gamma believes it's a non-slip but in reality, he should be voting Gamma should vote TF because TF agreed.
My interpretation is that Grey isn't actually fighting Gamma's response to him, he's attacking the player and not the argument which I find to be a scum tell. Another factor is that Grey is trying to push the blame for the slip onto TF and have Gamma focus on someone else that's not him but it backfired.
The last vote is simple, he is caught with his pants down so he'll continue to push this "scum slip" instead of actually providing a case onto how Naomi is actually scum. I don't see any actual work by Grey trying to actually determine if a player is scum, I'm seeing him go after each opportunity and voting based on the trends on who is wagonable at the time.In post 748, -Grey- wrote:Since Gamma claimed Ascetic Enabler, any "no results" results should be insta-lynched because the ascetic(s) is/are scum hiding behind the role.
I'm happy returning to my previous vote.
VOTE: Naomi
I'd vote Grey but I'm going to sleep in an an hour or two so it'd be a waste but expect it when I wake up.
Naomi, answer this pleaseIn post 1751, All Alone wrote:Naomi, do you feel like you've been more shy with your votes this game than you usually do as green? If so, can you explain why that is?