Mini 1859: D&D Curse of Strahd Mafia - Game Over

kuror0 · Post Post #1475 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:08 pm

The Creature kill was made by a vig. You have that in mind so if Pine is not what he claims you think someone else protected the target or scum just did a no kill on purpose to frame someone or what theory you have in mind? Cause I don't see much sense going against his claim that he is a doc when you believe scum missed their NK.

SlySly · Post Post #1476 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:44 pm

In post 1475, kuror0 wrote:The Creature kill was made by a vig. You have that in mind so if Pine is not what he claims you think someone else protected the target or scum just did a no kill on purpose to frame someone

Never have I suggested a no kill by scum. I suggested scum tried a kill and failed and would come out claiming Creature's death as the scum NK to mislead the town.

Pine · Post Post #1477 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:56 pm

In post 1474, SlySly wrote:
In post 1473, Pine wrote:...due to the threat of self-targeting, which would waste their shot
Welcome to what i've been saying all along. Convenient threat claim to hide behind.

'Convenient' is what you say when it's deployed after the fact. I volunteered the information. If I were scum, I would have just said nothing about it.

SlySly · Post Post #1478 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:30 pm

Without saying it, as scum, you have nothing to hide behind. You'd just be scum to lynch or vig bait.

kuror0 · Post Post #1479 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:33 pm

In post 1476, SlySly wrote:
In post 1475, kuror0 wrote:The Creature kill was made by a vig. You have that in mind so if Pine is not what he claims you think someone else protected the target or scum just did a no kill on purpose to frame someone
Never have I suggested a no kill by scum. I suggested scum tried a kill and failed and would come out claiming Creature's death as the scum NK to mislead the town.

Yeah don't deviate from my question if you don't consider it was a no kill gambit then you think someone else protected the target or what's your theory?

drealmerz7 · Post Post #1480 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:18 pm

can you take me back over why you think the creature kill was a vig?

Shaziro · Post Post #1481 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:34 pm

Sorry, friend is coming into town and I'm gonna hang with him tonight, been doing last minute shopping all day. One quick question from skimming, hasn't Slysly been calling me scum? Pine said he protected me. If he thinks that Creature was a vig kill and scum got blocked, the only claimed block was on me. He thinks scum targeted me, but that I am scum? That's dissonant.

VOTE: Unvote I need to reprocess on Dreal, atm I'm still leaning scum but it would be unfair to hang my vote here while I'm rethinking to see if I get to the same conclusion.

Persivul · Post Post #1482 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:17 pm

In post 1477, Pine wrote:
In post 1474, SlySly wrote:
In post 1473, Pine wrote:...due to the threat of self-targeting, which would waste their shot
Welcome to what i've been saying all along. Convenient threat claim to hide behind.
'Convenient' is what you say when it's deployed after the fact. I volunteered the information. If I were scum, I would have just said nothing about it.

No, if you were town, you would have just said nothing about it, in hope that you could waste their NK.

Dunnstral · Post Post #1483 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:20 pm

In post 1175, Dunnstral wrote:Pine why are you claiming?

In post 1176, Persivul wrote:OK.
VOTE: Vistani

Who did you target last night?

p-edit: Above is at pine. @Dunn - not reading the game I see. This is old news.

Pine · Post Post #1484 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:48 pm

I already claimed my protection target. I protected Shaziro.

Still not reading the game.

Clumsy · Post Post #1485 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:33 pm

Lynch Votecount 2.3

L-2

(4) Pine - Dunnstral, Andrius, drealmerz7, Persivul
(3) drealmerz7 - Culted, Pine, KuroiXHF
(1) Kuror0 - SlySly

Not Voting:

kuror0, Shaddowez, Shaziro

With 11 alive, Majority (50%+1) is 6.

Day Two deadline is (expired on 2016-12-30 14:00:00) (With an extension option)

Mod Notes: Thanks kuror0! And a little bit, yeah.[/area]

SlySly · Post Post #1486 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:14 pm

In post 1480, drealmerz7 wrote:can you take me back over why you think the creature kill was a vig?

In post 1304, SlySly wrote: As for the flip...

In post 1142, Clumsy wrote:
Creature's Role PMHello!

You are Ireena Kolyana. You travel with the [/color]
Adventurers
.
You have no powers, but
Strahd

has a special interest in you.

Traitor:

If
Strahd

leads the nightkill on you, he will instead convert you to a vampire, as well as the mafia team as a Mafia Goon.

Unless you are turned by
Strahd
, you win when all of the Mafia is eliminated from the party. If you are turned by
Strahd
, you win when the Mafia Faction controls 50% of the town.

Please confirm by replying with your role and alignment.
The role flip doesn't say Strahd has to lead the attack. In any game I've ever played as scum, the NK could be carried out by any member of the mafia, other than a traitor. That's what makes Creature's PM so interesting, it's specific in stating Strahd has an interest in Creature, then seems to list that interest as being Traitor, but in the description of what the outcome would be if Strahd lead the kill against him, Creature would have become a mafia goon. Holy smokes, BastardMan! Jason's PM didn't say anything about Strahd-lead NK's. My PM doesn't either. That leads me to believe only some players are "turnable" and Strahd knows he has to lead the kill to convert. Though I believe Strahd is not the only scum that can submit the night action, I believe Strahd will be submitting as many as he can if he knows that's a requirement of recruitment.

These are some of the factors leading me to believe the most likely scenario from last night is, Creature was vig'd and the Strahd-lead scum team targeted another player and failed.

That's what I will continue to believe until someone proves me wrong.

As soon as I saw Creature's flip, I knew that someone would come forth and be adamant about Creature being the scum NK. Not only was there one, there was 2, just Shaziro was indirect about it.

Andrius · Post Post #1487 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:00 pm

The Baker will be LA through the 25th.
I may post, I may not.

Nothing has changed my list as of my last post.

culted · Post Post #1488 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:59 pm

@mod

- v/la until tuesday will post in the meantime if I can.

Persivul · Post Post #1489 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 6:41 am

Merry Christmas everyone!

Dunnstral · Post Post #1490 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 6:47 am

Prod dodge I guess - like 4 posts since my last one

Shaziro · Post Post #1491 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 7:01 am

Merry Christmas! Obvious v/la today

Pine · Post Post #1492 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 7:11 am

V/LA is for pansies

Persivul · Post Post #1493 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 7:51 am

Nooses are for Pinesies

KuroiXHF · Post Post #1494 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:34 am

Merry Christmas!

Andrius · Post Post #1495 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:57 am

Merry Christmas!

Nooses are indeed for Pinesies.

Pine · Post Post #1496 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:58 am

False

shaddowez · Post Post #1497 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:11 pm

Christmas weekend V/LA.

I'm still good with a pine lynch, want to be able to post more before voting

Clumsy · Post Post #1498 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:58 pm

I'm not going to prod anyone over the next couple days, and that deadline extension will probably be put into effect.

Andrius · Post Post #1499 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:16 am

So we should probably get back into this.
I know we might get a deadline extension but still.

Looks like we're looking at Pine/drealmerz at the moment so we should talk there.
I'd like to see Pine swing.
I'm against a drealmerz lynch at the moment but I wouldn't cry if he were to get shot overnight or lynched without my assistance.
I realize that this is mainly a difference in playstyle but given the information he shared about his role I would have just claimed I CAN INSTANTLY SUCCEED ON A MISSION on Day One and said we're taking the mission let's mission for the auto-win and said nothing about it. Being subtle and never using the ability is a waste. Again, this is a playstyle difference but w/e.