Designer Mafia 2007 - Game Over, Final Scene Posted!

[Thyroidectomy]

Uhm, nobody had bought tickets at this point, so how can everybody be highly suspect?

You really think that had a serious intention? That I was essentially saying everyone was suspect?
I only have one vote, you know.

These posts are intimidating and almost extortional, and esentially amount to "If you do not buy my tickets, you are scum. So, ZONEACE, why aren't you buying my tickets?"

Of course they were extortional. I intended them to be. I wanted people to buy tickets.

It's the equivalent of fritzler threatening someone when they don't wagon with him. I'm sure a player with your experience has been exposed to a fair share of early stage "extortion".

Uhm, I can think of 2 people who could:
1. The player who designed your role.
2. The mod.

1. Why would a player design a role so powerful it needed a counter in the game? This isn't a lyncher-lynchee scenario here.
2. What a terrible and boring mod.

[Thyroidectomy]

I think I've laid out my reasons for voting schis. I will continue to vote him until something else pops up.

[schismatized]

lol

[somestrangeflea]

You really think that had a serious intention? That I was essentially saying everyone was suspect?

If you're going to be sarcastic, make it very, very,

very

obvious. If not, you're going to have to deal with everyone taking everything you say seriously.

In short, "Yes".

I only have one vote, you know.

Not necessarily true, but that's another argument and irrelevant, IMO...

1. Why would a player design a role so powerful it needed a counter in the game? This isn't a lyncher-lynchee scenario here.
2. What a terrible and boring mod.

"Would" is irrelevant.

Players can design roles to counteract their own roles

because they can

.

[Thyroidectomy]

If you're going to be sarcastic, make it very, very,

very

obvious. If not, you're going to have to deal with everyone taking everything you say seriously.

In short, "Yes".

What do I have to benefit from suspecting everyone?

If someone suspects you for something, isn't the proper response to reply?

This is the first time I have been acused of "extortion" in this manner. Why did nobody else reply when I threw suspicion on them?

Not necessarily true

...

but that's another argument and irrelevant, IMO...

If I want to show suspicion on someone, I'll do so. If you look through my posts, I'm 80% sure you won't find a single fos there. That was my point.

Please, design me a role that counteracts "you need to get the majority of people to buy tickets then you win haha!!!"

[Thyroidectomy]

Design that role and make it compelling for MoS to accept. That's my point: you can design any ridiculous role that counters anything, but you have to make it work.

[Thyroidectomy]

And even more peculiar, ssf, is that you seemed to have been extorted into buying a ticket. I'm not quite sure how to reconcile that.

[somestrangeflea]

Please, design me a role that counteracts "you need to get the majority of people to buy tickets then you win haha!!!"

"You are the

Ticketmaster

, ruler of all tickets! You have tickets to all the major events, including the local Renaissance fair!

Unfortunately, XXXX has stolen some of your tickets to that fair, and is attempting to sell them off to the town and steal your profits! Have him killed or lynched before he sells a ticket to the fair to over 50% of the players in the game, and not only will you prevent him from winning the game, but the town will see that you are truly the master of tickets, and you will become Unlynchable! Wowzerz!

You win with the Town."

Am I doing it right?

So anyway, why am I being told to design roles to counter-act "You win if you get >50% of the players to buy tickets", when the argument was initially:

nobody would be able to design a role specific enough to counter

mine

.

And even more peculiar, ssf, is that you seemed to have been extorted into buying a ticket. I'm not quite sure how to reconcile that.

It seemed like a good idea at the time... ='(

[somestrangeflea]

I would like to point out that the above is a hypothetical Role PM designed on the spot, purely for the purpose of this argument. It is not intended to be a quote or fakequote of a role PM, either received by myself, or designed by myself.

Srsly.

[Twomz]

There is no point in discussing this Thyroid, and yes there could be roles that counteract your role (Uber "role" block, switch roles with target player, if over half the town quotes a specific post you may daykill the player that made the post, ect) but we shouldn't be discussing the possibility of X role being in the game when we have no reason to believe it is in the game.

About the nocmen topic... if he is lying, it should be rather easy to tell in a couple of days (since he probably has a "visible" ability to go along with the restriction) so there is really no point in lynching him today.

We have 12 days til deadline, can you people please post more? I have finals next week and I can find time to check up on my games... geez.

[Thyroidectomy]

Am I doing it right?

No, you are not. Since the only way for the ticket seller to win is to advertise his tickets, you are including a role in the setup which exists for the sole reason to lynch the ticket seller.

It seemed like a good idea at the time... ='(

Yeah, not sure I buy that.

Twomz: I'm merely defending myself.

[somestrangeflea]

No, you are not. Since the only way for the ticket seller to win is to advertise his tickets, you are including a role in the setup which exists for the sole reason to lynch the ticket seller.

I suck at balancing games, but why does this matter? In terms of your role in this game, how does the fact that I find it difficult to come up with a role to balance out a similar role which you have made up actually matter?

It doesn't.

In short, what Twomz said.

Also:

So anyway, why am I being told to design roles to counter-act "You win if you get >50% of the players to buy tickets", when the argument was initially:

nobody would be able to design a role specific enough to counter

mine.

...still stands.

On that note:

About the nocmen topic... if he is lying, it should be rather easy to tell in a couple of days (since he probably has a "visible" ability to go along with the restriction) so there is really no point in lynching him today.

This is exactly why I'm finding him suspicious. If the PR is for the purpose of gaining an ability,

he has already failed

, at least for today, and thus has no reason to

continue

trying to earn it.

[Thyroidectomy]

I suck at balancing games, but why does this matter? In terms of your role in this game, how does the fact that I find it difficult to come up with a role to balance out a similar role which you have made up actually matter?

Obviously, your inability to make a reasonable counter role has to do with the fact that there isn't a reasonable counter role. So yeah, this is pretty much a challenge to all of you great designers who signed up for this game.

YOU are using the argument that there could be a counter role to my role- I'm asking for an example.

nobody would be able to design a role specific enough to counter mine.

I stand by this. You have failed to provide an example for a role that works.

This is exactly why I'm finding him suspicious. If the PR is for the purpose of gaining an ability, he has already failed, at least for today, and thus has no reason to continue trying to earn it.

Not only is this not true, but it makes absolutely no sense. Were you thinking this through when you wrote it?

[Twomz]

nobody would be able to design a role specific enough to counter mine.

1) Yes, the person that made it definitely could have made a counter role.
2) Then why were you so upset earlier when people kept asking you to explain your role better? (too busy to go find the post(s)).
3) You do know that there is more than one way to counter a role... like for instance, to get around a doc you can role block him... BUT you can also Day kill, have a one time through the doc kill, redirect his doc protection, ect. Saying that there is "no counter to my role" is just ignorant, because trust me, there easily could be one regardless of what your role is.

[Mastermind of Sin]

OpposedForce replaces Battle Mage.

[Nocmen]

oh the horror of this game. Thyroid is getting somewhat awkward in his "Defense", but the way ssf is going after thim seems as if something is off to me.

I'm not sure if I've said this before or not, but if all else fails, remember the horror.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Thirteenth Vote Count of Day 1:

schismatized - (Thyroidectomy, UltimaAvalon, jediknight, mneme, curiouskarmadog, Belgarion, KaleiÐoscøpe)

Nocmen - (JDodge, FaerieLord, FaerieLord)
foolinc - (Shanba, Aimee)
Thyroidectomy - (ZONEACE, somestrangeflea)
Twomz - (OpposedForce, the silent speaker)
KaleiÐoscøpe - (Nocmen, schismatized)
Belgarion - (Oman)
mneme - (Twomz)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

We have a

retractable

deadline of three weeks. Day will end on Friday, December 21st.

If you feel that more time is needed, please feel free to notify me in private. At deadline, the person with the most votes will be lynched, as long as they have at least half of the majority (rounded up). In the event of ties, the first person to reach that number of votes will be lynched.

As of right now, Schismatized will be lynched at deadline with 7 votes.

[Belgarion]

Mod: I was not aware that Oman is voting me?

Noc, what is off about SSf attack on Thyro?

[Nocmen]

Mod: I was not aware that Oman is voting me?

Noc, what is off about SSf attack on Thyro?

It seems that ssf had a good attack at first, but after that, from 757 on, just seems he is desparate to not be proved wrong.

[Oman]

Mod, I was not aware that I was voting Belgarion

I could be wrong though.


Limited access for a while, either my router or isp hate me. Damn Cisco!

[ZONEACE]

bamboom was voting for belg at the time of replacement so thats why oman is voting for belg.

[Belgarion]

bamboom was voting for belg at the time of replacement so thats why oman is voting for belg.

right, forgot about that (my bad mod).
B-

[FaerieLord]

Wow, I'm cool. My vote counts double

[Mastermind of Sin]

Oman, your predecessor was voting Belgarion, and you have neither unvoted nor placed a new vote since replacing him.

[stark]

I suck at balancing games, but why does this matter? In terms of your role in this game, how does the fact that I find it difficult to come up with a role to balance out a similar role which you have made up actually matter?

Obviously, your inability to make a reasonable counter role has to do with the fact that there isn't a reasonable counter role.

So yeah, this is pretty much a challenge to all of you great designers who signed up for this game.

YOU are using the argument that there could be a counter role to my role- I'm asking for an example.

nobody would be able to design a role specific enough to counter mine.

I stand by this. You have failed to provide an example for a role that works.

Achoo! You are

The Plaguemonster

. You have a terrible plague that strips players of their roles. Once during the game, you may infect another player with The Plague. The player in question loses any powers they had prior to infection, and may infect another player. You win with the town.