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do eet!In post 2239, Titus wrote:Why don't we color all of them and I walk you through it-
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Others should chime in on this.
In post 2201, TTTT wrote:
hold up.In post 2196, Titus wrote:The player discrediting an ascetic result, yet knowing I was not blocked, makes sense for the partner.
who and where did someone say they knew you weren't blocked?In post 2202, Titus wrote:In post 2142, Titus wrote:In post 2140, shannon wrote:I had to read up on the ascetic thing, and OK, it makes sense as a role modifier that could give 'no result' to the GS investigation. Are there any other roles that could do the same? Is ascetic necessarily scum, or just more likely in the current scenario?
Prima facie I'd say that we should ask for a claim from whoever Titus' target was, and then discuss whether it's plausible and lynch the hell out of it if not. If the target flips town with no modifier that would suggest a no result, then Titus is a no-brainer lynch the next day.
I'm clearly out of the loop here, can anyone explain?
VOTE: Shannon
Why leave out I was roleblocked?In post 2204, TTTT wrote:@Titus
you brought up ascetic
shannon discussed it and said, "Are there any other roles that could do the same?"
I don't at all believe that 2140 is shannon "discrediting an ascetic result, yet knowing I was not blocked"-
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What makes you think this isn't enough investigative power? Could be a low power game on both sides if all the mafia has is something like a roleblocker. Plus there's the neighborhood claim from Drone/Titus. You could argue that if one of them is town and the other is scum that it serves as investigative power for the town neighbor to discover if their neighbor is scum through a PT.In post 2213, Raskolnikov wrote:So overall I'm not sure that JOAT + 2-s follower is enough investigation tools.
1 jailkeep, 1 gunsmith and 2 follows altogether is maybe 1 cop's worth of investigation power.
UB isn't really invest but I'd still count it towards that from the longer lifespan it'd give either.
Then there's either strongman or RB confirmed via n1, assuming transcend BP'd (which the JK claim 100% suggests) which is scum power on the other side.
Unless there's an invest CC I wouldn't even consider titus lynch here.
Titus coming to the conclusion of Ascetic rather than RB does not make sense to me. She is supposedly known for being good at setup spec so I don't think if she had a genuine motive to crack the setup that she would arrive at Ascetic after seeing the LUV flip.In post 2216, Raskolnikov wrote:That said it's more likely titus was roleblocked than targeted ascetic.
Ascetic COULD exist and fits JK (not unreasonable) but follower flip suggests against it. Makes follower almost a non-factor and titus being roleblocked as claimed pr feels more likely than out of all targets she hit an ascetic.-
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Re-reading today, have some questions:
I think it's possible, but not likely (not the simplest explanation) that we have a vig. The description of the BP power says that it blocks one attempt at killing, so perhaps a vig and scum both targeted Transcend. (Again, not simple, probably unlikely, but I thought of it).In post 2119, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Well there goes my other townread. Only one nightkill again I'm starting to wonder if we even have a vig. Titus what did you do last night and who did you target?
Is it noon yet?In post 2120, Titus wrote:I got no result on my gs check. I am treating this as a guilty on the target. Result at midday.
The remaining check would be a jailkeep, right? I can't tell you how keen I am to have Titus jailkeep me and see what result she comes up with.In post 2122, Drone wrote: *snip*
If Drealm flipped town, and so did LUV..
We might as well check Shannon again.
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I considered that yesterday which is why I pointed out there was only one kill again and that I was starting to wonder if we even have a vig, because I was thinking it was entirely possible we had a vig who wasn't sold on you or LUV N1, or even that you or LUV were the vig and that's why neither of you died. I still thought it was possible you were the vig and LUV was scum that got lucky in claiming you went nowhere when you chose not to use your shot(s), but I didn't say anything because I didn't want you to use it as fakeclaim to incriminate LUV if you were scum.
Titus intends to wait a week to announce apparently, that's what she meant by midday. Middle of the Day Phase.
Drone I think means we should look into the possibility of you being scum when he says "check". I don't think he means to wait until tonight to investigate you with a role we probably don't have.
pedit:ninjaed-
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This.In post 1876, drealmerz7 wrote:shannon seems really scummy but I don't have the time right now to tell you why
I think drone is on it though from what I can see
setting up the WIFOM, yep!
more attention here later I hope
Rask case.
Titus case.
I'm fixated on lynching Shannon.
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PEdit: I've read the rest of the posts and I can't get to reply tonight because I spent such a long time writing this. Hope it makes sense and at least sparks conversation.
Here's what I've got about Titus's target:
It's not SSBM (see 2145 asking whether the target is SSBM's buddy)
It's not me (see 2185 where Titus says I'm scum with the target of the check. She also implies that SSBM and I are not scum together)
It's not Drone. In 2125 Titus says Drone would have shot her target. **note: For Drone to have shot the target, Drone would need to be scum and the target town.Unless Drone is a town vig - but why vig someone who is going to be investigated anyway? This doesn't add up to me**
In 2166 Titus is 'reasonably sure' her target is scum due to "jumping out of the wood work to attack me," and she is telling Drone who the target is.
Now we are looking for people who have 'jumped out of the wood work' to attack Titus as of 2166.
Rask hadn't posted yet.
Sesq hadn't posted yet
Impoetic hadn't posted yet
Gerry - only asked a question (did she or did she not tell Drone who was targeted) so that's not an attack.
TTTT - voted Titus ('something's not right) in 2154, but I would not call that 'jumping out of the woodwork to attack'
The only people who might be even remotely construed as 'jumping out to attack' are SSBM, Drone, and me. But she's already said that none of us were her target.
In 2169 Titus says that:
"No result suggested scum, but it's the rapid change in underlying thought.
Yesterday, the theory was scum roleblocked rb.
If Titus lives, scum have to mess with her. I must out my selected action immediately. Strongly suggests there's an ascetic buddy who needs protecting."
The person who asked Titus immediately to out her target was SSBM, back in 2119. 2144 would be the 'rapid change in underlying thought'. She has already asked SSBM whether she's the target's buddy back in 2145.
In 2168 Drone has received the name of Titus' target, but this is enough for a vote on Titus.
2169 "The rapid votes indicate my target is scum".
The votes to that point were:
Titus votes Shannon in 2142
SSBM votes Titus in 2144
TTTT votes Titus in 2154
Drone votes Titus in 2168
The phrase 'rapid votes' implies someone later on the wagon is suspicious, because there's nothing 'rapid' about being the first vote. The problem here is that Titus can't have it both ways. If it's SSBM who is voting Titus to defend a scum buddy, then the other votes aren't suspicious because they're genuine and the phrase 'rapid votes' is plain wrong and Titus' whole statement is basically rubbish. TTTT's rapid vote could be opportunistic if she suspects she's been the target of the investigation. Drone's could also be opportunistic, but given that Titus has earlier said she thought Drone would shoot her target, this doesn't make sense.
TL;DR: I can't make any good sense of what Titus is saying, and I think that's because she's lying.-
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I'll tell you this;In post 2256, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I considered that yesterday which is why I pointed out there was only one kill again and that I was starting to wonder if we even have a vig, because I was thinking it was entirely possible we had a vig who wasn't sold on you or LUV N1, or even that you or LUV were the vig and that's why neither of you died. I still thought it was possible you were the vig and LUV was scum that got lucky in claiming you went nowhere when you chose not to use your shot(s), but I didn't say anything because I didn't want you to use it as fakeclaim to incriminate LUV if you were scum.
Titus intends to wait a week to announce apparently, that's what she meant by midday. Middle of the Day Phase.
Drone I think means we should look into the possibility of you being scum when he says "check". I don't think he means to wait until tonight to investigate you with a role we probably don't have.
pedit:ninjaed
Whether Titus is lying or not, I do not not know.
But whether or not you are scum, I'm pretty sure that you are.
You're all over the place with your posts, changing contexts and points.
I'm no longer able to follow your points.
Do you have any reads at all?For science. For the mind!-
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How about make an actual case
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Setup spec is not in a vacuum.In post 2253, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
What makes you think this isn't enough investigative power? Could be a low power game on both sides if all the mafia has is something like a roleblocker. Plus there's the neighborhood claim from Drone/Titus. You could argue that if one of them is town and the other is scum that it serves as investigative power for the town neighbor to discover if their neighbor is scum through a PT.In post 2213, Raskolnikov wrote:So overall I'm not sure that JOAT + 2-s follower is enough investigation tools.
1 jailkeep, 1 gunsmith and 2 follows altogether is maybe 1 cop's worth of investigation power.
UB isn't really invest but I'd still count it towards that from the longer lifespan it'd give either.
Then there's either strongman or RB confirmed via n1, assuming transcend BP'd (which the JK claim 100% suggests) which is scum power on the other side.
Unless there's an invest CC I wouldn't even consider titus lynch here.
Titus coming to the conclusion of Ascetic rather than RB does not make sense to me. She is supposedly known for being good at setup spec so I don't think if she had a genuine motive to crack the setup that she would arrive at Ascetic after seeing the LUV flip.In post 2216, Raskolnikov wrote:That said it's more likely titus was roleblocked than targeted ascetic.
Ascetic COULD exist and fits JK (not unreasonable) but follower flip suggests against it. Makes follower almost a non-factor and titus being roleblocked as claimed pr feels more likely than out of all targets she hit an ascetic.
Ascetic is absolutely the better option, particularly with a follower. It's not something I am wedded to but Shannon's sheer panic at this point and logical focus are more telling. She has seemed more focused on discrediting me and finding my target rather than actual scumhunting.
Take her latest shade. Titus is scummy because I cannot deduce their check that they are sitting on. Her actions are intellectual flailing.
The VCA will come laterish but definitely today. I need to head to court.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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In post 2153, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Spoiler: Day 1 Colored VCs
Spoiler: Day 2 Colored VCs
Posting these w/o analysis for now so people can see them, also it's late and I'm sleeping soon so I'll analyze later. Impressions as I was coloring though are that Sesq is probably town and Drone has some questionable unvotes at times. Also players that were on both of the final wagons that aren't dead include Kyouko, gerryoat, and TTTT. Sesq and Raskol lynched scum but not town. Titus and Drone lynched town but not scum.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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First:Lay out priniciples
1a) VCA should seek to clear players and create a pool of scum
1b) Any serious cw to scum gets major townpoints
1c) Unless in trouble, not likely hard bussing involved
1d)Dueling cw to scum are rare
1e) look at wagons that do not go through and why
Step 2
With the data, see available narratives that make sense. Note:Never voting is a huge red flag.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Interesting move when Drealmerz starts analyzingIn post 64, shannon wrote:
Or you know, maybe they haven't had time to vote yet? I'll have to go back and look at the wagon, but it's interesting that you're trying to narrow it down to either the wagon target or the wagon members, at this early stage.In post 61, drealmerz7 wrote:so I'm thinking scum would usually hop on a 4th spot in a situation like this and push the wagon along / at least see if it gets a little more traction...that they haven't eeeither means there is scum already on it and they don't want to double-down, or it is scum...
VOTE: DrealmerzShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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TTT and SSBM near lock town based on RB moves.In post 153, rb wrote:Actually I forgot why I was scumreading ssbm.
VOTE: TTTTT
Naked vote entrance, insists Drone explains stuff when all he's done is naked vote.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Scum points to Impoetic and town points to the Impoetic wagon based on RB votes.
ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Gamestall for many vcas strong evidence ironstove not bussing.
ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Shannon no votes most of D1 and chainsaws rb. Let's get context here.
ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Drone technically in bus zone.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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