Why is it a false dichotomy?
In post 4181, Dunnstral wrote:OK Mds: what are your thoughts? Who is scum? What about the people on your wagon?
Kagami most likely. Torn between Arthur, Parama or both, but leaning Arthur. Third scum, no idea. If Jester is town like I think he is, it's either Smith who's pulling a god tier wolf game, or Arthur and Parama are double bussing (which isn't a bad strategy tbh). I seriously doubt there's a scum/scum pair involved.
Actually rechecking the wagons, Kagami and Smith do vote as a pair, like *a lot*. Maybe I *did* reconsider my Smith read a little too soon.
I seriously have to meta his wolf games.
The people consistently on my wagon have been Nahdia (town), pie (town?), Kagami (scum?) and to a degree Smith (no idea?). Either way, I'm positive there's at least one scum amongst them.
Yes, I just don't agree with it.
Actually reading further down, it does start to look a little like town-on-town. You're both pushing each other for reasons that make sense, and don't care how weird the pushes look like from an outsider perspective. You should each take a good, hard look at each other's lovers.
In post 4190, Human Sequencer wrote:because it almost certainly isn't false, no way was there 0 scum pushing shadow, and i'm town. beyond that, they're both pushing each other pretty hard.
Pretty obviously this.
In post 4192, pieguyn wrote:if Jester's pair is the second town/town pair, god forbid, then that's pretty much all that is necessary because they're getting lynched unless something amazing happens.
Would it help if Kagami and/or Arthur flip scum? Otherwise I agree, I definitely don't see us surviving through to endgame. If it happens, it'll be because scum let it happen.
In post 4193, Human Sequencer wrote:i'm terrified jester/mds will flip t/t because a tilted jester who is just sick of this game becomes more realistic the more i think about it
in that situation mds acting lynchbaity isn't even unrealistic because maybe she just wants out of the game without ruining it by replacing. in fact that becomes more realistic the more i think of it.
Earlier I wanted out of the game because I was fed up and looked like my presence just interfered with everybody's reads. Now I want out because I'm scared of being lynched as the last town and I want to make it happen while we can still afford it.
In post 4196, pieguyn wrote:I'm scared out of my fucking mind that this is what's going on, too, but then I think of just how shit his play this entire game has actually been if he *is* town here, and the fact that the him-town world likely has Parama and SAD hard cross bussing each other, and I calm down. ideally they should have been lynched first dance so we wouldn't have had to be sitting here entertaining the possibility someone can somehow play that badly as town.
It's not too late for that, you know. We still have a safe mislynch. Though, I disagree with you. There's literally nothing that could've been done that wouldn't have led to the same situation. Gamma, Shadow and Jester were pretty much everybody's scumreads. Whichever one of our pairs made it till now, it wouldn't have made any difference.
Also why is it so unrealistic that Parama and Arthur are double bussing? Or that Smith is scum with Kagami and pulling off a grand wolf game? It's certainly not above his skill level.
In post 4198, Human Sequencer wrote:jester and mds shared a hydra in equilibrium mafia, vedith and i were both in that game, and mariar replaced into jester/MDS' scum slot. vedith read them to a tee as scum, and pushed them pretty hard. jester hid from the game, and at a point mds was the only one posting, relaying jester's play to us all until the slot eventually requested a replacement. sound familiar?
Jester didn't "hide" from that game, he legitimately didn't have time to post properly but stayed because of me. He was also inundated with our failpartner and with the super townsided setup, which kind of sapped his motivation anyway. This game he was pretty active in our private PT for the most part, until he got too far behind in terms of catching up and couldn't keep up with the game's pace anymore. He also mentioned at one point that his phone kept deleting his posts halfway through and it pissed the hell out of him.
Town, but not really villager. He prefers power roles. Regardless, I think it's town anyway. Why are you asking?
In post 4210, pieguyn wrote:
I agree that Jester/MDS being town means Kagami is scum (which would probably also make Dunn town but doesn't matter at that point).
I have no idea if I'd pick SAD/scout or my pair as the other town pair. I need to actually stop and think some more.
Yay, people are finally seeing my perspective here.
I actually totally agree with this. The more I think about it, the less the cross bussing version makes sense.
In post 4232, pieguyn wrote:no really I cannot think of anything else that explains this game if Jester/MDS and HS/Parama are *both* town pairs.
Kagami, Smith, Arthur.
