'The Lost Boys' Mafia (Cry Little Sister, it's OVER!)

[Dasquian]

If you didn't recall Dasquian, I was just investigated last night and came up innocent for Mariyta, so it isn't just assumed innocence with no backing. Unless you think that myself and Mariyta are scum together?

Fair enough. I still don't like completely trusting your flavourless information, but we went through this yesterday.

[cicero]

Yes Cicero, that kind of flavor. 4 or 5 times.

I don't recall you claiming your role flavor ever and I'm the guy that kept the claims list, remember? Anyone want to help out old dumb cicero? Why didnt you make it 6 times in the time it took to make you do that post?

I attempted to target Yosarian2, but was escorted back to my hotel room.

How is this information that you have for us that requires an accounting as per:

Cicero - I have information, but I want an accounting of all night actions before I give it, and yes, an accounting is in order.

I'm not yet ready to say what I did last night and what I found out. Still waiting on others, including TV to say what his question to BM was all about.
I've flavor claimed probably 4 or 5 times now Cicero.

It seems clear to me that you were inferring that you had information. With people challenging Mariyta's results you've backed off.

Now look, I don't want to witchhunt you or mariyta if you are our cop brigade, but you are looking scummy as a pair. Mariyta isn't suffering and is still bringing in results and you are being a bit too clever and coy with your role and the information it provides. I'm not for a second ruling out you and Mariyta acting together in a scum gambit anymore than I'm ruling out Pooky as the cult recruiter. Mafia is filled with scum claiming Vigilante, Cop, and Doctor to pursue their interests.

I'd like to know what other people think about this.

I'd also like to know why Pooky disappears anytime he gets asked who he suspects.

[Arafax]

Re-reading...Post some content in a few hours.

[Arafax]

No. Not simple. Read Mister Flay. He stated non-essential and specifically asked for "any applicable night choices".

Good catch...I don't get it BM...You must admit that you're stretching it here.

That being said, Mari's response does seem "off" to me...BM is scum hunting and seems to be getting under your skin; he is a "mason" remember...If you're the role that you say you are, then you should not be wary of his words against you....Plus the "bitten" thing still makes me curious about you.

[Mariyta]

No. Not simple. Read Mister Flay. He stated non-essential and specifically asked for "any applicable night choices".

Good catch...I don't get it BM...You must admit that you're stretching it here.

That being said, Mari's response does seem "off" to me...BM is scum hunting and seems to be getting under your skin; he is a "mason" remember...If you're the role that you say you are, then you should not be wary of his words against you....Plus the "bitten" thing still makes me curious about you.

No, it's not just this game. I'm in 2 with him, and he's been treating me the same way in both. It goes beyond just what you're reading here. He's made it personal for some reason.

I've said before, I don't know how long you can trust my investigations. From Flay's PMs, I believe I'll know when I'm suffering, but I can't promise that. Honestly, I wouldn't trust myself right now, either, if I wasn't me.

[-TinVision-]

I'm sorry that I was away and stirred things up with my absence. Before I explain, I have one question I'd like answered specifically. You mentioned that you were able to talk to HH last night. What is the flavor of your ability to night talk despite the curfew?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Yes, now that BM and I have found each other, we apparently live at the same house and we could talk last night. I would assume the same of the frog brothers.

Please read.

[Mr. Flay]

Third Vote Count of Day Four:

PookyTheMagicalBear - 2 (Setael, Dasquian)

Yosarian2 - 1 (Crub)
Mariyta - 1 (Battle Mage)

Not Voting - 12 (PookyTheMagicalBear, AniX, -TinVision-, Sudo_Nym, Mariyta, HackerHuck, cicero, Ectomancer, Arafax, Yosarian2, Sir.Laggalot, Mastermind of Sin)

It is now Day Four; with sixteen left, nine votes will be needed to lynch.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The List(TM):

Sudo_Nym
Setael
Yosarian2
MoS
Ecto

I don't trust Ecto because I don't think it would be a balanced setup for us to be up against a lone cult(which seems to be the case) which doesn't even recruit fully each night when we have so many investiagtive roles/masons. But there could be things that we don't yet know about this cult.

I've been somewhat suspicious of Sudo/TCS from day one, Sudo imo played somewhat cautiously like he wanted to be extra careful not to fuck up, TCS was just all over the place.

MoS is one of those minimal contribution tag-alongs that can really be anything.

And Yosarian is Yosarian. He makes children wet their beds at night.

[Yosarian2]

No, because Peers also claimed that night would be skipped entirely, which it clearly wasn't. So he obviously didn't know what he was talking about, Battle Mage. Why are you so desparate to cast suspicion on Mariyta?

Agree. At least, it seems pretty clear to me that Peers either didn't understand all the details of how his role would work; his PM was probably a bit vauge or something, and he seemed to think there wouldn't be a night at all; instead, there was, and the mod seemed to imply that some people would still have night actions, although it also said that "youths" (hopefully that includes the Lost Boys) were "requested" to stay in their homes.

And Yosarian is Yosarian. He makes children wet their beds at night.

Lol...sigged.

[cicero]

I'm still waiting on that Ectomancer's flavor answer...

[Ectomancer]

I'm still waiting on that Ectomancer's flavor answer...

No. You're the King of BreadCrumb. Even if your role doesn't need one. It's there, 4-5 times not including what I revealed from last night, so go find it. You will have much more fun than by me simply telling you.

[Yosarian2]

Um...that's really silly, Ecto. Is there some actual reason you don't want to share your role name?

[Ectomancer]

Um...that's really silly, Ecto. Is there some actual reason you don't want to share your role name?

I'll share it with you if you ask. I just want Cicero to have to work for it. BM would have to work for it as well. Just a meta thing.

Do you want me to reveal now, or can I play for awhile?

[cicero]

Um...that's really silly, Ecto. Is there some actual reason you don't want to share your role name?

I'll share it with you if you ask. I just want Cicero to have to work for it. BM would have to work for it as well. Just a meta thing.

Do you want me to reveal now, or can I play for awhile?

This is me counting to ten so I don't tell you to fuck off.

hmm... looks like I failed.

[cicero]

and this is me voting for you.

Vote Ectomancer

There seems to be lines drawn in this game that have more to do with politics than scumhunting as respects who gets attacked by whom. Some relationships are surprisingly bloodless. Newbies don't get accorded the same principles.

You think I am town. I want to investigate your scummy behavior. I get smirked at.

You will follow Yosarian's lead even though you just investigated him as a possible cult recruiter, which means you are happy to follow the cult recruiter's lead.

Grow up.

[Yosarian2]

I'll share it with you if you ask. I just want Cicero to have to work for it. BM would have to work for it as well. Just a meta thing.

Do you want me to reveal now, or can I play for awhile?

...

All right, I'm curious to see where you're going here. I'll give you some rope and see if you hang yourself with it. Carry on.

[cicero]

I'll share it with you if you ask. I just want Cicero to have to work for it. BM would have to work for it as well. Just a meta thing.

Do you want me to reveal now, or can I play for awhile?

...

All right, I'm curious to see where you're going here. I'll give you some rope and see if you hang yourself with it. Carry on.

Yosarian you are reading in stategy where exists only prickishness.

[Ectomancer]

You think I am town.

No I don't.

Grow up.

You are playing a game. There are no grown ups here.

and this is me voting for you.

Vote Ectomancer

Out of frustration. You see how tough it is to actually pull off the "bullying" you accuse me of? That vote and your comments don't allow you to "bully" anyone into doing anything.

It is sad that you had to resort to a vote rather than playing the guessing game. So, you can either try to figure out my flavor based upon clues I left, or you can wait until I've squeezed all I can out of it and decide to end your frustration by revealing all.

[Ectomancer]

I don't trust Ecto because I don't think it would be a balanced setup for us to be up against a lone cult(which seems to be the case) which doesn't even recruit fully each night when we have so many investiagtive roles/masons. But there could be things that we don't yet know about this cult.

I just wanted to point out that this post gives me a +10 to scum points for Pooky. It might mean nothing to anyone who isn't me, but this struck me as a backhanded way to complain about the games balance while still playing it.
The reason it stood out for me, was that is exactly what I did recently, as scum, when I was trying to figure my way out of a nasty end game situation. The situation at that time was I was up against 2 bullet-proof townies, plus a roleblocker. Before the game was over, I tried to use that as an argument against one of the bullet-proofs, saying that balance wouldn't allow the existence of both. Yet, that's exactly how the game was setup...

So, when Pooky wrote this, the first thought in my head was "He's complaining about the game balance.", followed by "I was scum last time I did that...."

[cicero]

You think I am town.

No I don't.

Then vote me.

Grow up.

You are playing a game. There are no grown ups here.[/quote]

Silly.

and this is me voting for you.

Vote Ectomancer

Out of frustration. You see how tough it is to actually pull off the "bullying" you accuse me of? That vote and your comments don't allow you to "bully" anyone into doing anything.[/quote]

I'm not voting you to bully you. I'm voting you for a pattern of blatantly anti-town behavior that the town is foolish for putting up with. I'm not playing your guessing game and no one else should either. All I see is a soft claim that's being dragged out for as long as possible in a game where the cult recruiter needs to buy as much time as they can. I see you answering Mariyta's questions for her. I see you promising investigation results and then backpedaling. I see you stating that you gave the flavor of your role when you didnt. So blatant lying. In short I see someone behaving in a blatantly anti-town way. That's why I'm voting you, not because I want to vote slap. That's your modus operendi not mine. Whether the rest of the town wants to put up with it is up to them. Not me. I have one vote and it goes on the scummiest person I can find at any given moment. And at this moment that's you.

One of us is busy trying to make sure the town isnt being led down the garden path. Me. The other of us should be trying to reassure the town of the same thing. But isnt. That's you.

[cicero]

And I think it's worth noting what I wrote that you didn't respond to:

There seems to be lines drawn in this game that have more to do with politics than scumhunting as respects who gets attacked by whom. Some relationships are surprisingly bloodless. Newbies don't get accorded the same principles.

I want to investigate your scummy behavior. I get smirked at.

You will follow Yosarian's lead even though you just investigated him as a possible cult recruiter, which means you are happy to follow the cult recruiter's lead.

Yeah. Mine is a bully vote. Right.

[Ectomancer]

So much of that is easily dismissed or disproven Cicero, it's as though you aren't even trying. If you aren't willing to even try, why do I need to make things easy for you?
Your emotional responses don't help you either. Try not to get personally invested.
FYI - Investigation results? Given. Flavor? Given. (not that you would get it)
Telling the Cult Recruiter what my story is without any pressure on me? Sorry, not happening. Oh, you forgot that a CR would be very interested in clearing the mystery surrounding my role? How very Anti-town of you to forget, or Pro-Cult....

P.S. - 6 months after joining mafia, your newbie card is WAY expired. Any benefits stated or implied are null and void.

[cicero]

So much of that is easily dismissed or disproven

Then disprove it. You are pretty good at dismissing it out of hand. I'll give you that.

Cicero, it's as though you aren't even trying. If you aren't willing to even try, why do I need to make things easy for you?

Ecto. This isn't about you and me. I'm not a little kid jumping up and down with curiosity. You are dragging out a softclaim for days and leading the town. Today you behaved in a manner which is extremely suspicious. Scumhunting is about scum slipping up. There is a very strong possibility that you just did so. You aren't making yourself look any more innocent right now. You just look like you have something to hide. Your play smells like gambitting scum.

Your emotional responses don't help you either. Try not to get personally invested.

Ecto. You would give the information if asked to Yosarian but not to me based on his call the day after you purport to have tried to investigate him instead of me. Either you made this personal or you are being disingenuous about your own scumhunting suspicions. This makes you look extra scummier.

FYI - Investigation results? Given. Flavor? Given. (not that you would get it)

Your flavor is not given when it is breadcrumbed. You are lying. You lied when you said you gave your flavor. No one in this game knows who you are.

Telling the Cult Recruiter what my story is without any pressure on me? Sorry, not happening.

Apparently unless that Cult Recruiter is Yosarian. At which point he can have it on demand. Because you take your orders from him.

Oh, you forgot that a CR would be very interested in clearing the mystery surrounding my role? How very Anti-town of you to forget, or Pro-Cult....

Then vote for me. Get on it.

The town has limited time to fuck around in this game. This threat is just exactly what you need to say to have people avoid inquiring into you. It's another vote slap that makes it look like you are lying and hiding something.

P.S. - 6 months after joining mafia, your newbie card is WAY expired. Any benefits stated or implied are null and void.

I would be thrilled to agree but I wasn't claiming lack of competence. I was pointing out that certain folks in this game seem to have a very pronounced bloodless alliance.

I'll leave it up to the other townies to figure out who the people in this game are that have a powerful reluctance to question each other and why.

[Setael]

Post 2544 is full of win.

Also, I don't think ecto should be pressured into revealing any more about his role at this time. I only see that helping the scum recruiter. Ecto was cleared by Mariyta last night... does that mean nothing?