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[Titus]

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your play is a mirror of our last game together where you were scum.

I called you out on ignoring me and then you spent time trying to write off m vote as vindictive or w/e

Yes. It is true though. That's why meta is garbage.

[Nero Cain]

Now state your case. Why do you think Titus is scum?

I think there was scum voting for Lapsa. She spent awhile ignoring me and then why I brought this up she then tried to wave my vote off as RVS or random. Why should I think this is town behavior?

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your play is a mirror of our last game together where you were scum.

I called you out on ignoring me and then you spent time trying to write off m vote as vindictive or w/e

also this s my Titus case, please stop ignoring it and pretending like I haven't done so.

[Elbirn]

Tbh I feel that titus and I mind meld a lot when we play together. We might not agree on reads but we certainly have a very high success rate at reading each other; it may be nearly perfect, come to think of it? I think we've always caught each other as scum, and as town we recognize each other quickly. Except for that one game where she hydra'd with drixx and we were foes the whole game for some reason

Anyway, pointless babbling aside, the fact that I say titus is town should be enough, everyone listen to me

[Nero Cain]

What do you think of Titus claiming that she's playing like she did as scum but that I should ignore the meta?

[Alisae]

It's you suddenly appearing out of nowhere and saying Titus is scum.

Well if I'm not online isn't any new post that I make going to be "appearing out of nowhere"

This has nothing to do with you being on or offline, this has to do with when you decide to appear in the thread. You appeared uneducated about what happened, and I am slightly annoyed about that.

The 2nd quote is based on meta, can't really atest to that. You probably know Titus more then I do.
As for the first quote, that does seem legit, but here's my problem with that. You say Titus is scum after missing a lot of pages, and then you state that as your case? That just seems wierd to me.
Also, what makes you so sure that someone like Pine or Gamma isn't the scum that's on the wagon? Hell, if you thought I was the scum on the wagon, that would be okay. Of course, that will be wrong because I am town.

[Aj The Epic]

Because she's also playing like she plays as town the last time I was on site. If I recall, Nero, you were in that debacle too were Titus replaced in, took over and mislynched like 3x in a row. I would imagine that unless someone like Nacho or Mollie or a more dominant town-leader type is in the game, this is always her style.

[Nero Cain]

gamma being scum isn't an impossibility. The "is posting everywhere but here" tell is one that I've had varying degrees of success with. Beyond that he's done F all.

You say Titus is scum after missing a lot of pages, and then you state that as your case? That just seems wierd to me.

I think scum in general are pretty likely to ignore a player thats scum reading them and I have experience with Titus ignoring me.

[Alisae]

Alright, I think that's valid. I don't agree with it, but it's valid. Can you show me some games where Titus has done this to you while she was town and a game when Titus has ignored you while she was scum?

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:

[Nero Cain]

I am specifically talking about http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67071

I can't think of any games where town Titus ignores me and then tries to wave off my vote as vindictive or something.

[Alisae]

Nero, this might also be another fun thing to do if you want to do it that is. Is it possible you could post the vote counts from that game in here and highlight them with who was town and who is scum and all that fun stuff?

[Titus]

Why are you giving Nero busy work?

[Nero Cain]

yeah I'm not doing that

[Alisae]

Fair enough, I'll do it myself then.
And I figured that maybe lynching patterns could help figure things out.

[Cabd]

That would only be a single data point for Titus voting patterns as scum. It's hardly worth the effort because one ancedote does not a pattern make.

[Titus]

Nero's characterization of my play in Street Fighters isn't factuallu what I am contesting anyway.

It's more that Nero has taken my general response to his behavior as a scum response because its who I am.

I just need to see him talk about others and finish catching up to shore up my read on him.

[Alisae]

Mkay, got unmotivated to do that. I'm being retarded. And Cadb you're right. Plus, I think it's clear by now that it probably won't have any effect on how Titus plays now anyways.

I find it interesting how the only time she voted for you that game she mentioned a RVS vote. Seemed similar to whats going on so far and what you're saying. The more you talk about it, the more I think that you believe in what you're selling. But first, what do you think of the other people here.

[Cabd]

Speaking as somebody who lived the life of a meta player for years: meta is only valid if the person in question does not know their tells. If a person is aware of their meta, it's useless.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I am specifically talking about http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67071

I can't think of any games where town Titus ignores me and then tries to wave off my vote as vindictive or something.

I'm reading this Street Fighter mafia Titus + Nero combined ISO and I don't think this is the same situation. Looks like you had a real reason to push her in that game, where she was contradicting herself in a couple of places about a wagon on Beeboy and where she wasn't defending her TR or something like that. I don't usually look at past games as evidence but I decided to this time for reasons.

Alisae, Titus, Gamma: What are your reads on the other 2 players in this list?

VOTE: Alisae
This looks scum, the buddying is stinky and she continues to sit around asking others for their opinions on situations. I don't like the show of solidarity with the Aj wagon to so quickly jump off of it. Too much fence-sitting and sheeping from this slot, and is now not voting 34 pages in.

[Alisae]

Kyouko I am reading Titus as town for genuinely evaluating the game.
Gamma is a bit more complicated at the moment. Gamma could be consider scummy for not putting that much effort into the game. And I don't like how he's been paying attention to his other games moreso then this game, tho I'd honestly understand it. Coming back to thirty pages after missing 10+ is annoying. And he sorta just used "what did I miss" to catch up. Tho I don't really know if he read the thread or not and just using that information given by Titus to help guide him. Either way to me it seems like he's disinterested.
VOTE: Gamma

[Alisae]

Also Kyouko, I was satisfied with what I got out of AJ. So I unvoted him.

[Alisae]

What about not voting is scummy to you?

[Cephrir]

Votecount 1.7

Gamma Emerald 3 (Cabd, Elbirn, Alisae)
Alisae 3 (Nosferatu, xSoniaNevermindx, ssbm_Kyouko)
Titus 3 (Nero Cain, Tywin Lannister, Lapsa)
Aj The Epic 2 (Transcend, Titus)
Tywin Lannister 2 (Aj The Epic, mozamis)
Elbirn 1 (Lil Uzi Vert)
CloudKicker 1 (Gamma Emerald)
Lapsa 1 (Pine)
Pine 1 (CloudKicker)

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

[Titus]

*crosses arms over chest*

I like none of the three biggest wagons. I would vote Gamma at deadline but *shrug* I don't feel it.

Alise I don't really feel is scummy either.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What about not voting is scummy to you?

Not voting as town implies you have no serious scumreads. 34 pages in town should have enough reads to either sheep a wagon that is comprised of townreads or to push a strong scumread.

I noticed you voted Gamma as soon as I accused you, so I checked back on your old Gamma vote and came up with this:

Titus are ya able to articulate what those feelings are exactly?

VOTE: GammaEmerald
I'll just leave this here until I'm satisfied with you.

You moved your vote pretty quick after this to Nero when they started pushing Titus. Not sure if it's buddying town or chainsawing for your partner but either way it points to you being scum.

Okay but your read is swayed a bit too easily.

Ditto, this has seemingly been the case with all of your reads so far. You are forming reads to conform with popular belief imo. You 180d on Transcend really fast and sheeped him when me and Titus followed him. You also earlier arbitrarily TRed him for not liking walls, then went to vote him immediately when he started a wagon on Aj. After I voted Aj and Transcend called your vote on him stupid you flipped and sheeped him.

Okay but who said I fully believed in lynching you?

So, do you, or don't you fully believe in lynching the player you are now currently voting, and why?

Spoiler:

inb4 you feel that Gamma is "genuinely evaluating the game"