Open 660 - White Flag (Game Over)

[Vedith]

Transcend isn't playing in a Pro-Town way

So he's town?

[LicketyQuickety]

Transcend isn't playing in a Pro-Town way

So he's town?

Why would that make him Town?

[LicketyQuickety]

Going to bed.

[Vedith]

Why would that make him Town?

Because Trans isn't a pro town player unless he's scum.

[Vedith]

Going to bed.

It's 1pm you lazy shit.

[alban]

Spoiler:

Your 768 is way too emphatic in conclusions, and 779 is not a good enough evidence to back such an emphatic townread on her. In fact, you are watering it down by saying, this doesn't mean she is town etc etc.

That post by itself is not evidence enough but combined with their general attitude of trying to sort things out, and a few other posts that I have liked, is what is giving me a town read. You can always find ways to refute whatever I will point out. I find it a lot easier and effective to townhunt than to scumhunt and I don't think Aubrey is a good lynch today. If you have something to convince me otherwise please do so.

Coz no one has answers or very weak reasons (e.g. Toto)

Explain why my reasons are weak. I admit that most of it is based on impressions but I don't consider my reasons weak.

You aren't able to explain your reasons or impressions very well.
Your 768 is way too emphatic in conclusions, and 779 is not a good enough evidence to back such an emphatic townread on her. In fact, you are watering it down by saying, this doesn't mean she is town etc etc.

Whether Aubrey ir town or not is one thing, but I think it's easier as a scum to pass verdicts on people, especially townreads, and when questioned about these reads, nothing solid to point.

My 1261 should already convey to you how I am convinced that Aubrey isn't a good lynch as of now, but how I am using your townread on him as a means to test your towniness.

[alban]

Maybe. But not scummily opportunist.

Depends your reasons for scum reading either.

The context would be obvious if you read the last few pages or ISO me.

[Vedith]

My 1261 should already convey to you how I am convinced that Aubrey isn't a good lynch as of now, but how I am using your townread on him as a means to test your towniness.

For some reason I can't see spoilers at work, so I'll look later at home.
I can also say now, I am not worried if you want to test my towniness, that's really not a priority to me.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Okay 1280 is good enough for me because scum!Toto flip makes me less suspicious of alban and by extension Trans, LQ, whereas with Dave, I don't think there was much to get out of a flip.
VOTE: toto

Pedit: Also he's testing Toto's towniness, not yours

[Toto]

My 1261 should already convey to you how I am convinced that Aubrey isn't a good lynch as of now, but how I am using your townread on him as a means to test your towniness.

And my point is that I already explained why I think they are more likely to be town so unless you have something to point out I don't see the point of this conversation. I can not prove she is town but I can only explain why I think she is town. We can go on like this forever.

[Toto]

Scumhunting is not working in this game.
Let's start with townreads.
Aubrey is being townread universally. Why?

LQ, Transcend, Toto and Keyen

have been especially confident in their townreads of Aubrey.
Would like everyone, especially these 4, to list their reasons for their reads on Aubrey.
I find him null. Everything he has done is NAI. If you think otherwise, feel free to contradict.

Also I find it weird that it was you that started this movement and I was the pretty much the only one that answered your question from that group, and you chose to focus on me. Why are you not questioning the rest?

[Vedith]

Who's scum, Toto?

[alban]

Scumhunting is not working in this game.
Let's start with townreads.
Aubrey is being townread universally. Why?

LQ, Transcend, Toto and Keyen

have been especially confident in their townreads of Aubrey.
Would like everyone, especially these 4, to list their reasons for their reads on Aubrey.
I find him null. Everything he has done is NAI. If you think otherwise, feel free to contradict.

Also I find it weird that it was you that started this movement and I was the pretty much the only one that answered your question from that group, and you chose to focus on me. Why are you not questioning the rest?

I agree with you about this.
But out of these 4 names, I would be comfy voting out only you or Keyen, coz you strike the right balance of activity (giving rise to associative reads tomorrow) and inactivity (I won't be kicking myself if you flip town). The other 2 are way too active for me to not blame myself if they flip town.
And that's why I can vote out Keyen too if a wagon doesn't generate on you, which it has btw. So I guess others are finding you scummy too.

[alban]

Okay 1280 is good enough for me because scum!Toto flip makes me less suspicious of alban and by extension Trans, LQ, whereas with Dave, I don't think there was much to get out of a flip.
VOTE: toto

Pedit: Also he's testing Toto's towniness, not yours

What do you mean by 'scum!Toto flip makes me less suspicious of alban'?
You suspect me, but you would vote for someone whom I am suspecting. Shouldn't you be wary of voting Toto just coz I am suspecting him?
Also, why are you not pushing a Dave wagon instead?

[Vedith]

The other 2 are way too active

Activity is not AI and should have 0 impact on who you vote for or want to lynch.

[Toto]

So far my strongest lead has been Dave. I have tried to get answers from him but he is just avoiding the game. I summarized my case here: 1042.

Gamma has pinged me and I have questioned her but I think it is just their play-style.

Alban is pining me now, but I may be omgsing. Ever since he was wagoned and was TR by a few people (me included) he took a back sit and is keeping a low profile. We don't have PRs so I don't know why he would do that. His vote on me is very comfortable since he doesn't really provide a strong reason to keep it there and I feel he is tricking me with this town read business.

p-edit. My activity (number of posts) is low but I have provided content. I don't like posting fluff.

[alban]

I don't remember saying activity is AI.
But yeah activity has an impact on whom I will vote at this point in the game where there's not much difference in my sr and tr.

[Vedith]

So far my strongest lead has been Dave. I have tried to get answers from him but he is just avoiding the game. I summarized my case here: 1042.

I have a feeling that Dave has site flaked.

Gamma has pinged me and I have questioned her but I think it is just their play-style.

Her
Gamma, you fucking girl!


However, Alban is pinging me so far, i'll check his ISO first later.

[Vedith]

I don't remember saying activity is AI.
But yeah activity has an impact on whom I will vote at this point in the game where there's not much difference in my sr and tr.

Using activity to determine your vote is stupid.
It gives scum a free pass with posting shit to avoid a lynch.
I don't see how you think that this is good?

[alban]

So far my strongest lead has been Dave. I have tried to get answers from him but he is just avoiding the game. I summarized my case here: 1042.

Gamma has pinged me and I have questioned her but I think it is just their play-style.

Alban is pining me now, but I may be omgsing. Ever since he was wagoned and was TR by a few people (me included) he took a back sit and is keeping a low profile. We don't have PRs so I don't know why he would do that. His vote on me is very comfortable since he doesn't really provide a strong reason to keep it there and I feel he is tricking me with this town read business.

p-edit. My activity (number of posts) is low but I have provided content. I don't like posting fluff.

You are indeed omgusing. coz I have been on your case since long. Just hadn't voted for you.
I have openly admitted that I don't have enough motivation this game. Partly due to just a few slots doing a lot of spdework and others lying low, and partly due to my own blurred radar. Day 2 might be better and that's the only reason I haven't replaced out.
My vote on you is not comfortable, but an unfortunate one. It happens to sit there coz no one else between ssbm, Keyen, and Dave are talking. And as you said, the one who is talking i.e. is becoming the bait.
This is why I don't like ssbm's U-turn about you.
I also don't like how suddenly there're 6 votes on you. I think that itself should be an indicator of something. Help me out Vedith and LQ of you think that generating such a quick wagon on someone can absolve them of a scumread.

[alban]

However, Alban is pinging me so far, i'll check his ISO first later.

There has already been a wagon on me once this game, around page 19. Check it out first.

[Vedith]

Help me out Vedith and LQ of you think that generating such a quick wagon on someone can absolve them of a scumread.

Personally I see wagon resistance as more of a tell rather than wagon speed.

[Vedith]

There has already been a wagon on me once this game, around page 19. Check it out first.

Yeah I'll check it properly before pushing anything, I'm just going by what I've seen since I joined in.

[alban]

I don't remember saying activity is AI.
But yeah activity has an impact on whom I will vote at this point in the game where there's not much difference in my sr and tr.

Using activity to determine your vote is stupid.
It gives scum a free pass with posting shit to avoid a lynch.
I don't see how you think that this is good?

This is the nth time I am explaining this.
I don't wanna vote out the inactive slots coz their flip gives us zero info. Also, their replacements might be better (as proved so in your case), and we would have something to by on those slots by their posts directly, rather than a circuitous and oft-wrong reason (lack of activity) of eliminating someone.
I also don't wanna vote out the active slots like Aubrey, Transcend and LQ, partly coz nothing glaringly scummy jumps out from their posts and meta, and I rather have them in the game coz they are the only 3 slots who are somewhat active this game.
So, my vote will be on mid-level active ones. That's why Toto, Keyen, ssbm and Dave. Maybe Gamma. It helps that their posts and actions have also been scummy enough for me to have no guilt in voting for them. Like Toto's lack of emphatic townread, Keyen's lack of reads even after having spent 5 months here, ssbm's sudden U-turns, etc.

[alban]

Help me out Vedith and LQ of you think that generating such a quick wagon on someone can absolve them of a scumread.

Personally I see wagon resistance as more of a tell rather than wagon speed.

Meaning? Opposite sides of the same coin, aren't they?