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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
I think it's especially noteworthy that fitz apparently didn't bother to read me even though I'm not a PR and I featured prominently in D1 votecounts and such. Even if he did somehow pick up on the buried claims there's no way he should be immediately be considering me such obvtown.
good post, i didnt personnaly bother with the pr claims since its not so easy to miss, but not reading into a possible is cc is just a huge scumtell/slip
In post 3352, Creature wrote:MariaR, what's your opinion on havingfitz knowing BlackVoid and CloudKicker's claims without reading any page?
I'm pretty sure it means he slipped about info he already knew aka reading the scum PT or scum giving a tldr unless he was reading along the game but from the way he's talking I assume not
I bet Maria is scum this game
~Firebringer
Na Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~
Charloux
MariaR goes for the uwu owo tsundere-dere look but you never know if she has a knife behind her back.~
Looking over the interactions Sotty had with Maria and Michael/Creature I
see either (or both) of them being partners with Sotty. Maria.for as she
readily admits.her dedicated efforts to try and spare Sotty from getting
lynched and conversely.Creature for shining suspicion on Sotty for much of
D2, to include after Sotty claimed Tracker, but only having a vote on Sotty
(pre-claim) . The Sotty did have a little flurry of pre-claim action that
got it up to L-1 for a brief period but that all happened fairly quickly and
the initial L-3 vote Creature placed was fairly harmless.
Additionally...looking at the lynches..
D1
GreyIce
lynch consisted of
IAI, Hoopla, Victor and BV
&
Rask and
Creature.
I doubt all three scum would be on an impending mislynch that
had an equally viable wagon (Victor) up to Victor's mason claim but could
definitely envision 2 being on it (i.e. in the Creature Rask grouping).
D2
Sotty
lynch consisted of
IAI,
Hoopla, Victor and BV
&
Rask and Jaack.
I do not see
both of Sotty's partners bussing her to the end. Of the players off her
wagon.
Cloudkicker
is a claimed PR (which to be honest I have not
investigated the claim's viability but it seems to have been accepted) and
Maria, Creature and GM. GM is town fmpov which leaves me Maria and Creature
as considerations. I strongly feel one if not both of these players is
scum.
D3's lynch was
Hoopla
. Her wagon consisted of
BV
,
Rask, Jaack, Maria and Creature.
.
Cloud and GM were the only two players alive who were off the Hoopla wagon.
The only other D3 wagon aside from Hoopla (i.e. the closest to a competing
wagon) was Creatures. Maria has voted the Creature slot every day. Even
today. However.D3 when her L-3 Creature vote turned to an L-1 vote she was
quick to exit and put Hoopla at L-1 for the second time that day. Not sure
what her views were wrt Hoopla. The point is.she has been consistently on
Creature's wagon but jumped at getting off it at L-1 while she had no
problem putting Hoopla there twice.
That said.I feel more comfortable in my Maria suspicions based on their
interactions with Sotty and VCA than I do Creature (ATM) so.
VOTE: Maria
Spoiler: Sotty and Maria interactions
Sotty wrt Maria:
Search has 47 Maria hits in Sotty ISO
During Sotty's time in the game she and Maria were both voting BBT (twice on
D1) and Jack (twice on D2).
Neither of them ever votes the other.
Early harmless exchanges/questions (124, 184, 273, 358).
Questions her on her Michael vote (387).
Defends Maria in 416 and 466. Post 471.
Upgrades Maria to null/town by post 483.
Happy with Maria being town by 795
Maria is town...902.
More Maria defense in 916.
A little Sotty anger directed at Maria.
Maria is back to a weak town read in 1165
Maria closer to town than null 1398
Maria wrt Sotty:
Search has 80+ Maria hits in Sotty ISO
During Sotty's time in the game she and Maria were both voting BBT (twice on
D1) and Jack (twice on D2).
122/125.Sotty is posting BS. Half for rubbing the wrong way and half agrees
with. Weird feeling tell.
457.BV calls Sotty and Maria (and BBT) scum.Maria wishes she were that
smart.
527.Maria doesn't "get the Sotty rn" but does suspect BBT (town) and GM
(town fyi).
850.comments on a Hoopla/Rask post that mentions the Sotty wagon and says
the GreyIce wagon is the only one she sees getting anywhere.
1147.BV is scum for voting Sotty.
1148.Jaack is "scum for the scoty push"
1149.doesn't see Sotty killing TwoFace.
1171.accuses BV of going after "easier push" on Sotty instead of voting her
(Maria).
1228.town reading Sotty
1233."Scotty is town"
1286.Doesn't understand the scotty wagon. Sure.some posts she disagrees
with but nothing scummy.
1353.gives IAI hell after voting Sotty.
1373.states she is defending Sotty.
1478.votes Jaack for voting Sotty.
1514.She believes Sotty.
1698.Maria and Sotty discuss scum tunneling.
1808.Over the top Sotty defense after Sotty gets put at L-3.
1841.Sotty wouldn't have killed TwoFace.
1885.would vote Rask over Sotty if given the chance.
1901.says town would have voted Sotty even if she had claimed Innocent
Child.
Spoiler: Sotty and Michael/Creature interactions
Sotty wrt Michael/Creature:
Search has 36 Michael/Creature hits in Sotty's ISO
During Sotty's time in the game she and Creature both voted BBT (D1 with
oldest 2 votes on the lynch).
They exchange votes on each other D2. Creature put her at L-3 and was first
off the Sotty wagon after Sotty's fakeclaim. Sotty had Creature at L-4 a
short time before camping on Jaack the rest of D2.
60.Town read's Michael based on a Hoopla post.
387.ask's Maria why a Michael wagon has merit.
416/483.Affirms Michael town read.
Could see scum in Cloud and/or Creature. 1163
Shades Creature a bit in 1169
Argues against Creature voting her in 1397
Votes Creature D2 in 1480
A little tiff apparent in 1606
Nothing else much.
Michael/Creature wrt Sotty:
Search has 23 Creature hits in Sotty's ISO
During Sotty's time in the game she and Michael/Creature both voted BBT (D1
with oldest 2 votes on the lynch).
They exchange votes on each other D2. Creature put her at L-3 and was first
off the Sotty wagon after Sotty's fakeclaim. Sotty had Creature at L-4 a
short time before camping on Jaack the rest of D2.
367.gives glowing review of Sotty when asked for comment by BV.
981.agrees with most of Hoopla's list and has Sotty in the scumpool.
1191.dayvigs Sotty
1227.votes Sotty
1327.pushing the Sotty wagon
1334.Fine with Sotty + Hoopla lynches
1490.Calls Jaack's 1470 vote on Sotty reckless.
1581.still thinks scum are Hoopla Sotty and Rask.
1598..Sotty is scum because she was "pretty weak when on the stand" (Kind
of like your reason given).
Spoiler: Sotty and Rask interactions
Sotty wrt Rask:
Search has 74 Rask hits in Sotty's ISO
During Sotty's time in the game she and Rask were on the same wagon only
once. D1 when Rask hammered BBT.
They exchange votes on each other D1 and D2.
D1 Sotty placed the L-4 vote on a Rask wagon, which made it to L-2, before
she switched her attentions to BBT. Rask put her at L-4 and her wagon only
got to L-3 before Rask switched to Victor.
D2 Sotty is the only person on a Rask wagon for a good portion of the day.
Rask puts Sotty at L-2 and essentially forces the tracker claim. Goes on
later in the day as the 2nd vote behind Jaack on the eventually lynch wagon.
~Random vote on Rask? 59
Criticizes Rask's Hoopla case...86
Criticizes Rask again for voting Hoopla but proceeds to unvote Rask and vote
BBT.
184 agrees with BV's comments of slight suspicion towards Rask.
311..."Rask's posts lately feel good." "RaskTown"
483..Sotty has Michael (i.e. Creature), Rask, and GM (i.e. me) all as town.
Lovely. And as a reminder...Maria is upgraded " to null/town."
827...wants to see more from Rask since becoming a universal town read.
902...Rask is town...(Jaack is not btw)
1151...one of her "critical town reads" is scum = Rask.
1165...tries to gauge interest in her Rask vote.
1377...Defends against Rask voting her. Again in 1397.
1398...Scumreads Rask and Creature (and IAI). I can see Sotty scumreading a
partner (i.e. Rask or Creature).
1693...calls out Rask for trying to "flash wagon?" GM. Not sure what this
in reference to given no one is voting GM atm. I would argue a bit of
intentional guilty by defense directed on GM (who is town btw).
1749...questions Cloud's vote on Rask.
1840...still scum reading Rask.
1860...gives BV a little flak for not starting a Rask or Maria wagon.
Still need to go back and do a Rask ISO on her thoughts towards Sotty.
Apologies to BV...I missed your queries to me about how I knew you guys had claimed.
When I replace into a game...whether it's 10 pages or 100 pages the first thing I do is scroll through every page and annotate any votes or claims that I see. By scroilling I might miss some claims but I usually never miss votes because they are bolded. For example...I didn't catch Sotty's tracker claim until much later in the game and I had to go back and see when it was (post 1436).
Ex.
I know Victor claimed mason in post 1074
That Cloud claimed bodyguard in post 2486
I marked Maria and Creature down as claiming town in posts 2299 and 2964
And you claiming mason in post 2855.
These claims werre picked up during my page by page scrolling. At Jaack...you seem to be getting a lot of town leans iirc and after noting the votes...I am comfortable with you as town atm based on your level of effort to get Sotty lynched and her attempts back on you. You started the wagon that led to her lynch. If you are scum...bravo. I'm guessing not.
I have not read every post in the game. I did my initial scroll over every page and read the occasional post that caught my eye but otherwise I have been reading ISO's and other items of interest (ex. dialogue in conjunction with votes).
In post 3360, havingfitz wrote:I know Victor claimed mason in post 1074
That Cloud claimed bodyguard in post 2486
I marked Maria and Creature down as claiming town in posts 2299 and 2964
And you claiming mason in post 2855.
Here's his last replace in as town. He does say that he skimmed over the game. Here's another one. The interesting thing to me is that he takes over two days since his replace in to catch up on both those games. They were both around twenty pages at the point he replaced in. Here, he knew about the claims the same day he replaced in despite this thread being more than six times as long.
I was impressed with the amount of work you put in, but looking recently you have a history of replacing into scum slots and putting huge effort into trying to save them each time. You're somewhat of an expert of it by now. I still have to lynch you on your predecessor but the attempt is admirable.
Your focus on people (although the vote is likely bussing) is suspiciously in line with how lynchable each person looks, as in if I were in your position I would not overlook either jaack or especially me to that extent, and probably not even cloud without giving it a think. Beyond saying hey it's a pr claim and people buy it so.
Also I find you have suspiciously fast reactions when people are responding or asking about you but not much independent impetus outside of that. I.e. you're reading either way but wouldn't post if not asked a question. You don't question others or reach out in any way.
I would have bought it if you said that you saw people talking about them in the recent pages since you joined and deduced it from that. But I find it hard to buy that you clicked on 130 pages one by one and scanned them for claims
What did I just read?
Did you just list every interaction between scum and give a light VCA?
Dam I wish I was that much of a tryhard what about my interactions with Scoty make me such a good lynch to you all I see is pointing out said interaction without saying why it's bad.
I bet Maria is scum this game
~Firebringer
Na Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~
Charloux
MariaR goes for the uwu owo tsundere-dere look but you never know if she has a knife behind her back.~
It's the classic post a ton but the result is very little
you did a lot in that post with a bit of VCA and posting interactions with Scoty but what else?
It's really not that much when the bottom line comes to it and you read between the lines.
I bet Maria is scum this game
~Firebringer
Na Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~
Charloux
MariaR goes for the uwu owo tsundere-dere look but you never know if she has a knife behind her back.~
In post 3368, BlackVoid wrote:I would have bought it if you said that you saw people talking about them in the recent pages since you joined and deduced it from that. But I find it hard to buy that you clicked on 130 pages one by one and scanned them for claims
That's how I knew about Sottys claim. Saw it mentioned at some later point in my skim. I don't focus on claims when I skim but if I see them I'll note them. As for comparing how fast I did this one vs others...that's completely dependent on how much time I have which fluctuates.
If I am today's lynch I would just urge for Maria to be tomorrow'so lynch. I'm busy the next 2 hours but happy to answer any other questions or concerns.
As someone just replacing in, already at l-1 when i fliped town, i would be way more upset than that and i would actually try to iso my slot and be critical of it. All youre doing is ignoring gm's play, show no emotions about the game state atm and just lists interactions, its not bad but its not enough for me
