New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[Vedith]

Nice 13 pages!

[Vedith]

Oh did shadow flip scum?

admittedly i'm surprised vedith has been as quiet as they have

It's the weekend, piss off!

[Vedith]

Did anyone ask me to dance yet?

[Vedith]

I wouldn't go with you Dunn.... I need a real man!

[Vedith]

:<

[Vedith]

I'm spiking the punch.

[Vedith]

Did anyone ask me to dance yet?

LOL this post.

Oh look, someone that thinks their post matter.
Keep up the effort, kiddo.

[Vedith]

Why didn't you go male, Maria?
I need to be picked this game for my self esteem!

[Vedith]

You're a shit dancer...

[Vedith]

Oh look, someone that thinks their post matter.
Keep up the effort, kiddo.

you and shadow would be perfect for each other to be honest

I'll take Shadow. We understand one enough.
Shadow - offer yourself to me!

[Vedith]

it's all part of my master plan to lynch you both in one fell swoop

but actually don't we need shadow to flip scum in pre-dance not first dance

I'm not getting lynched!
I'm happy to provide everyone with scum again though, so you fucker don't mess up again.

[Vedith]

I opened the champaign for nothing... :<

[Vedith]

Don't you dare.

I'm prettier than you...

[Vedith]

The saying is easy game easy money.
EZ life, this kid!

[Vedith]

Me and Shadow will be like that Bella and vampire guy.

[Vedith]

And for 2?

[Vedith]

Yes, I meant that one.

Let me ask you, if shadow flips scum, how will that influence your current reads?

How about when he flips town?
I suspect it will be his fault and not your shit ty reads.

[Vedith]

Yes, I meant that one.

Let me ask you, if shadow flips scum, how will that influence your current reads?

How about when he flips town?
I suspect it will be his fault and not your shit ty reads.

No, I'm not the unaccountable sort.

Who do you think should be left out?

Anyone but me.

[Vedith]

Me and Shadow will be like that Bella and vampire guy.

This is terrible

Shadow sparkles in the light.

[Vedith]

So then shadow is a fine option, vedith.

There's a difference on 'fine' and 'acceptable'.
What's your scum read on him again?

[Vedith]

Dunn I told you I'd rather pair with scum then town so if scum die my horrible reads go with them and I think you're town

You should go with Gamma

[Vedith]

Dunn

[Vedith]

I guess you missed the there.

[Vedith]

This has to be one of the most fake pre planed conversations ever...

[Vedith]

Where did the shadow sr come from. The only thing from his iso I saw off was the one thing I pointed out

personally it's the arrogant tone combined with the actual literal scumslip that's doin' it for me

You're shit with reads Para, we get it... stop bragging.

[Vedith]

I think vedith is scum

I'm sure me calling you out here is what you see as scum.

Everyone give Maria and Dunn a loud applause.

[Vedith]

You're shit with reads Para, we get it... stop bragging.

yeah i'm pretty bad but i also didn't get lynched in pre-dance and wasn't on either scum wagon last game

My pre dance reads were still better than yours.

[Vedith]

i had some other reasons for why shadow was scum before he made that post but i've forgotten them

it's like a small tree stump next to a massive redwood tree

nobody sees the stump under the veil created by the tree's branches

You forgot why he is scum?
Lolololol

Where am I even?

[Vedith]

Oh right there's also vedith. Forgot about "her". Not really sure on vedith yet, I haven't played w him enough to really get much of a meta read there.

I still have a fresh dress from the last dance... however, I'll go with Shadow as he's town.

[Vedith]

Oh right there's also vedith. Forgot about "her". Not really sure on vedith yet, I haven't played w him enough to really get much of a meta read there.

I still have a fresh dress from the last dance... however, I'll go with Shadow as he's town.

Do you really want to leave super-early again?

Do you?

[Vedith]

i think people are just missing the tone of 212?
it's too casual. it's like he assumes killing the IC pair is something that's already fated. and that whoever pairs up with the IC is going to be town because scum wouldn't kill that pair if they wanted to partner with them, so there's probably some post in the scum PT telling them to avoid pairing with the IC or something I'd guess I don't know
but it indirectly implies that he knows cerberus is town as a result

He's right though.
Scum will not pair with IC or another scum unless forced to.
He's not scummy.

[Vedith]

gamma scummy

Nah he's town.

[Vedith]

gamma scummy

Nah he's town.

scum townreading each other

You're just too good for us.

[Vedith]

That makes.better sense then Para.
Maybe Shadow is scum.

[Vedith]

Fwiw, if this is theater between Dunn and Maria I'm super entertained. Doubt it is tho.

Maria is all about theater as scum.

[Vedith]

Fwiw, if this is theater between Dunn and Maria I'm super entertained. Doubt it is tho.

Maria is all about theater as scum.

*snickers* and you know I do it well Vedith how do you think we won our last scum game

I look forward to the day we are both town in LYLO, you know.

[Vedith]

Fwiw, if this is theater between Dunn and Maria I'm super entertained. Doubt it is tho.

Maria's scum so I didn't even mean this game, dummy!

Maria is all about theater as scum.

*snickers* and you know I do it well Vedith how do you think we won our last scum game

I look forward to the day we are both town in LYLO, you know.

You're not getting to lylo

[Vedith]

Maria's scum so I didn't even mean this game, dummy!

[Vedith]

Wait we were both town in overwatch mafia although that game was a *** show

Wasn't LyLo though.

[Vedith]

Maria's scum so I didn't even mean this game, dummy!

FIGHT ME DOG BREATH
Pedit: it was with the sk

:<

[Vedith]

Vedith if you say yes I am tunneling you harder then you did me in overwatch maf

You're scum so why would I care?

[Vedith]

Dunn, Maria, that was the best show ever.
It must have taken months to practice those lines to a T.

[Vedith]

We already know that part.

[Vedith]

Vedith will you dance with me?

I accept

[Vedith]

Oh my god Vedith thinks me and dunn are actually scum? This isn't a joke?
to quote sick of it:
I almost wanna partner together to spite you.

But you won't partner together.
It's fake as shit.

[Vedith]

PMSL
Anyone who buys their shit swap, GTFO

[Vedith]

ok maybe not gamma/vedith/??? but that pair has 1 scum

and it's probs gamma

and we get you as our IC...

[Vedith]

Shadow is my scum buddy we don't want to pair.

[Vedith]

okay, lynching maria d1

Shell act her way out of it, sadly.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Maria

AtE incoming.

[Vedith]

Idc if our slot gets lynched as long as yours goes after your tone of voice is coming off just like it did it mini w/e it was called all ik was you were scum
sounds also like mini 1820 also but your flip is so weird

What are you even going on about?

[Vedith]

If gamma or Vedith leave and flip town I will auto leave.

So me and Gamma are scum...
Let's see more of your show, Maria.

[Vedith]

What question?

[Vedith]

Oh before it locked?
You are acting like scum actress you not like last game.

[Vedith]

It's you...

[Vedith]

Then why wouldn't you want to go with Gamma?

[Vedith]

You're just throwing shade and praying something sticks

I swear we go through this often...

[Vedith]

You're just throwing shade and praying something sticks

I swear we go through this often...

Oh we'll call each other every name in the book and then make up post game it's normal for us

Exactly lol.
Last game was pleasant at least.

[Vedith]

I have work in 4 hours so I'm off to bed.
Keep up the play, Maria.

[Vedith]

To adapt from something rb once said:
MariaR's entire scumgame is just to act cutesy so that all the men in the game don't wanna lynch her becoz it hurts their chances of having teh sexes chat with her, ergo she's scum now because AAAAHH EMOTION-NAL P-POSTING PLZ D-DONT HURT MEEE
Also that quick pairing with probscum Shadow isn't good

This made me laugh

[Vedith]

Anyone scum reading Shadow should be voting him, regardless to Maria's align (secret - It's scum!).

[Vedith]

Anyone scum reading Shadow should be voting him, regardless to Maria's align (secret - It's scum!).

HOW DO PEOPLE TOWNREAD THIS?
Do you think me and shadow are both scum or am I scum that picked T O W N S H A D O W
over sick.

I know you are scum, and it's possible that Shadow is scum, but I'm not set on that.
If Shadow is scum, you gain more by picking him over sickofit from information alone.
If town have information that 1 gentleman scum is out of the game that's a lot worse than both of you being scum.

I can see this being a stupid ploy between you and Dunn that just back fired. Aiming too much for that town cred.

How can anyone see this as town me you ask? Because I'm spot on with 2 scum, that's how.

[Vedith]

I mean, look how hard Gamma spent trying to push me as scum last game when I called him out on it, and look how hard you are doing it.
People like you know exactly what I'm like, and know that I don't let up so it's just better to get me out of the game.
Town Maria wouldn't think scum Vedith here, so don't give me that.

[Vedith]

Wtf is this "Town Maria" bs like you know how I play I don't think you're scum but you're logic and thought process are so beyond stupid I don't know what you're fucking doing.

You don't think I'm scum, yet you can't see how anyone can think I'm town?
Lol GTFO Maria.

[Vedith]

HOW DO PEOPLE TOWNREAD THIS?

The only reason I don't think you're scum is because you would just tr me and push the shadow slot like the majority of everyone else voting.

Don't mind me, just browsing!

[Vedith]

your slot should be policy lynched

On what polcy? Being right?

[Vedith]

You're not right though do you understamd the only reason you're even here is because you're so wrong that it becomes funny

I'm actually here because I was on the side that couldn't not have someone... Being right or wrong didn't get me here, it will only progress if I'm lynched today or not.

I'm still right though, you can give the whole drama class scene as you like though, I find it entertaining.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Jester-MiniDeathStar

Sell it.
I haven't really looked over either as of yet.

[Vedith]

I don't understand how your brain goes like "this is a logical possibly and I am going to do so"
Pedit: I like pie :3

I've already accepted that my thought process is normally different to others.
What got me the most with you was that you town read Dunn, he town reads you but yet you wouldn't accept his dance. It looked fake, and there is no reason to.
If you had taken his dance I would have probably town read over scum reading you.

You can still try and convince me why I should be looking else where, but lets face it, it's most likely between me/Gamma you/Shadow today.

[Vedith]

Post 888 I strongly gut scumread



Might be the overexplanation/defensiveness of trying to defend Jester and making it clear she isn't going to determine his alignment

I don't like her push on shadow. I know that sounds weird because a lot of people are but I don't like her push on shadow

I'd like to see more from them first.
Jester is normally pretty easy to read, of course, this doesn't really help with the Mini situation.
I can't go into detail, but I can see a reason of Mini over explaining to a degree.

[Vedith]

Btw, I'd like to point out that Gamma isn't speaking with me in the PT, other than posting before me asking why I took him over Shadow, apart from that he's put no effeort into discussing my opinions in there while confirming to be reading them.

[Vedith]

hey !!!!! i have a vig power !!!!!!!

how about we LYNCH drone

and then i will VIG jackel98

that way we're both happyyyy :DDD

Sorry, I alt slipped here.
I also have no idea what I was saying.

[Vedith]

So gamma desperately proposes as one of the last 3 single men
To a scumread

And when he can leave he causally forgets his scumread on gis partner

???

Walk me through town gamma

1 thing I will say, if Gamma is scum, then Maria isn't, however, if he's town, then I'm deadset on Maria being scum.

[Vedith]

So gamma desperately proposes as one of the last 3 single men
To a scumread

And when he can leave he causally forgets his scumread on gis partner

???

Walk me through town gamma

1 thing I will say, if Gamma is scum, then Maria isn't, however, if he's town, then I'm deadset on Maria being scum.

And if MDS is scum?

Strongly suggests a gamma scum.

[Vedith]

Then gamma is even nore likely to be scum
Duh

Pedit of fuck off

Lol?

[Vedith]

that's a joke kind of (?)

A joke at me or at Gamma?
If it's at me, that's disappointing.

[Vedith]

Why are you hard defending Gamma without giving a read on Vedith

or did I miss it

That's a good point.
@Mini - What do you think of me?

[Vedith]

Wait we can lynch mafia kill lynch and then if no scum flip I can walk okay yeah I'll do that
Pedit: are you turning my avi into a JOKE

"Don't lynch me for 2 days then I can hope that no one remembers me saying I'll walk, and even if they do, I can just argue it"

[Vedith]

Anyone who says me and shadow won't always be a fall back lynch is a liar lol

I thought you wanted to go with a scummy person to get lynched?
What changed?

[Vedith]

If I say i'm not walking by that town I want you to quote me on it and tunnel the fuck out of me

I can promise you that both of us will not be alive after 2 days...
So how would I quote you in that situation?

[Vedith]

You don't know what a last resort is. You just want to die a hero. But you're not.

Or take the town cred for willing to leave the dance floor when in reality there's 0 intention.
But hey, don't mind me, I'm just having afternoon tea with captain obvious.!

[Vedith]

If we can both get our head out of our ass we could work something out!

I'm all ears, guide me to a correct direction to see scum.

[Vedith]

Well I have a theory....

Okay.

[Vedith]

Vedith: go to your love pt and chemistry ck what the other name is

My love is only for you, though.

[Vedith]

although scum me would 100% pair with smith or gamma

Or me if you wanted to win as scum y'know

real talk

That's why if 1 of you are scum, you both are.

What's your theory?

[Vedith]

What's your theory?

mds scum

So top scum reads here for you so far are MDS and Gamma, correct?

[Vedith]

But what if I were scum and Maria were town? Your theory doesn't hold up in that scenario

Why are you only pushing Maria and not me

Nah, Maria doesn't make sense in a T/T or T/S situation, only in a S/S.
And because it's plausible that Shadow is scum here and it was a fuck up picking at the end there.
I don't see your partner as scum.

Also, people are interested in Shadow flip - Flipping one of you as scum proves the other imo, If people went to push you, I wouldn't defend the wagon and push from Maria over you.

[Vedith]

Has Jester expressed any reads with you yet, Mini? Or does he still need to read up?

[Vedith]

Scum
1 - Maria
2 - Dunn
3 - Gamma
4 - Scout
5 - Shadow

Town
1 - Nahdia
2 - Cerb
3 - Para
4 - Kagami
5 - Maybe SAD, just maybe.

Any others go to null

[Vedith]

Scout is just forming reads where popular demand are.
He's making a lot less effort than I've seen in him previously and I just have that tingle.

[Vedith]

Vedith, you can't scum read both Maria and I, that is a mini scum claim in itself.

If you are both scum, keep in mind you're low on my list, and it's with Maria, it's only because you guys fucked up as the scum team and town put their pairs in too quick for you.

[Vedith]

If you are both scum, keep in mind you're low on my list, and it's with Maria, it's only because you guys fucked up as the scum team and town put their pairs in too quick for you.

*And if it's with Maria

[Vedith]

No. If I was scum I'd keep my options open. I could have asked Pie who was getting town read by a lot of people and herself wasn't really scum reading me. It makes no sense for scum me to jusr stick ith Maria.

That's why I'm not shouting that you're scum, and instead I'm saying that Maria is.

[Vedith]

I think Human is town. I actually hope she's town because I don't see scum!her in any way atm.

I think Human is trying to butter me up.

[Vedith]

I could have asked Pie who was getting town read by a lot of people

I'll also need help on this town read from people, I haven't seen it yet.
Do you have Pie as town then?

[Vedith]

Scum
1 - Maria
2 - Dunn
3 - Gamma
4 - Scout
5 - Shadow

Town
1 - Nahdia
2 - Cerb
3 - Para
4 - Kagami
5 - Maybe SAD, just maybe.

Any others go to null

How recently did you start sring me?

Mainly from the time you were ignoring our PT.

[Vedith]

Not really, but she's of the few who's post I'd actually bother reading cause they make sense.

Who wouldn't you bother reading then?
What made sense in particular? Is making sense an AI to you, or no?

[Vedith]

I thought you were pretty confident shadow is town, vedith. What changed?

I actually already responded to Para agreeing that there's something to his case.
You can go back and check though.

[Vedith]

I don't think Shadow's scum tbh

Caught up?

[Vedith]

Oh shit, that's me and Gamma!

[Vedith]

How about Mini?

[Vedith]

I'll tell you when the dance ends

So you have no read on her?

[Vedith]

Don't worry, if I decide she's scum, I'm suiciding

I get that but I want to know your view on her as of now.
It's important to know what partners think of each other.
Mini has you as null so far.

[Vedith]

Scout is just forming reads where popular demand are.
He's making a lot less effort than I've seen in him previously and I just have that tingle.

Call it popular demand
Or call it truth

I think you and shadow are town though, and I dont think both are common reads.
You just had to pair with scum...

Possibly but I'm not convinced with you yet.

[Vedith]

@vedith: you called for popular reads?

Since when we're Dunn Kagami popular null reads and Gamma popular town lean?

[Vedith]

Same I guess. What's your opinion on her?

I want to see more (from both of you) but I don't think her actions are scummy directly. I don't like her Gamma read, and a Gamma scum points to her as scum. Not sure I like the stance of me and Maria as both town lean, shows that she doesn't have too much of opinion on what seems to be a larger topic in the game.
She's not getting a slot towards town right now, that's all I can really go with.

About the Shadow unvote - NAI for me.

[Vedith]

Would your view on her change if I told you she's scumleaning on me in private but doesn't out this out of fear of getting evicted?

That would help.
Did she say her reasons?

[Vedith]

Why would Jester lie to me as town?
Even more so if it was to stop me checking into you?

[Vedith]

Lol wut?

[Vedith]

Dunno she apparently doesn't wanna see me die. Or maybe us.
As I said, I'll need some time cause it's hard to differentiate between buddying cause we like each other and buddying to pocket.

I mean, I'm not sure how to even think of that.
If there's scum in you 2, I'm 100% certain it's not you though.

Tell me, why is Maria town lean for you?

[Vedith]

i want every1's reads on Parame and HS.

Town for Para - Maybe town, maybe butter me up for HS, not decided.

[Vedith]

Wait, I thought that was a joke earlier.
How could I be buttering you up when you're a scumlean?

Oh? I'm a scumlean?
That changes a lot then. I thought you had me as scum then didn't because I thought Dunn was scum.

[Vedith]

No, but having Dunn as scum did help you a whole bunch, same with a bunch of your townreads.
You went from 'this is obviously scummy, lynch this' to 'oh, that makes a little more sense, but this slot is still a little suss'

Well, alrighty then!

[Vedith]

I would like the people who scumread Vedith explain why scum!Vedith would call his--

her?

gentleman scum, especially with how many votes Gamma has right now? Like even if it's a gambit for towncredit, towncredit is literally useless for Vedith if Gamma ends up being booted from the dance floor.

I mean, I'm not really pushing Gamma, at least where the rest of you can see, it could be seen as a creditable cause while I hope that Maria and Shadow is lynched - That's if I'm scum, of course, which I'm not.

[Vedith]

Vedith, would you say this is accurate and fair?

He's missing the content from each post, but it's more or less the out line.
The times he replied were because I said in the game thread I scum read him for ignoring the thread.

I also made it clear in the thread that I'm not worried about voting him if needed.

Pedit - This is want I mean about content. My post is aimed at him not involving himself.

[Vedith]

OK.
I still really want shadow/mariar gone, and if mariar flips town vedith/gamma are a great d2 lynch.

I am not against this 1 bit.

[Vedith]

Alright, I'm ok with vedith-town.

[Vedith]

But on the other hand holy fucking shit does he feel off. I will be very uneasy if vedith dodges the rope to lylo.

Even if Maria flipped scum?

[Vedith]

Right guys, lets not post until SAD is ready for us to.
GTFO

[Vedith]

Jester not scum, I'm just saying.

[Vedith]

Shadow step, you know first hand what kind of damage that attitude can have to town.
SAD has a very valid point. Conciseness is a virtue, and a bogged thread with pages and pages of useless posts is a massive demotivating factor to any budding townie looking for scum.
Scum don't need to read the thread, they already know everybody's alignment.

@jester
I'm not angry at you, you're angry at me.

Terrible post.
What others consider useless post is what I work with. Just because he doesn't want to read the game doesn't mean that everyone should limit their posting. Scum will hide in a lot of posting as much as hiding in a quiet town. The only difference with what SAD wants is that less information comes out of it.

[Vedith]

What's your experience with shadow, vedith?

A few games where we have been mixed aligns and same.
He's modded me a couple of times and he generally doesn't like me or my play style. He thinks I'm a shit player :<

[Vedith]

Lol Vedith. I think Trans is better player than you
You know I always find scum when I'm town and you should sheep me always.

Given you have creditable reads as town, I thinkyou can be followed when proven, unless it's on Gamma I'm really not against there.
Also I am Trans look at my avi

[Vedith]

I'm not lynching Jester, he's town and Mini is nullish.

[Vedith]

Hey, fuck you 2! I already got my town pass! :<

[Vedith]

Human going for those buddy points?

[Vedith]

O...M...G... Nahdia your posts are like, so awesome!

[Vedith]

Dunn trying to get away from the Shadow/Maria lynch.

[Vedith]

What happened to your scumread on gamma?

Still the same place, behind you and Maria.

[Vedith]

So uh, when are we lynching shadow, guys?

Because Maria is scum and Shadow is possible scum.

[Vedith]

I said when not why. I'm with you on this one, remember?

I member

[Vedith]

We'll just wait to have 2 pages of content over the next 3 days where we go with the lynch anyway.
Exciting stuff!

[Vedith]

Who do you think the scummiest person on your wagon is and why?

Nahdia

[Vedith]

:<

[Vedith]

Right he "did it" in private and never actually voted

So to confirm here Dunn, you have me as scum, correct?

[Vedith]

though I don't disagree that shadow pair deserves death regardless of alignment.

Lol wut?

[Vedith]

Like seriously gamma look at how I interacted w/ Vedith earlier,

if I was scum

and shadow was scum there is no way I wouldn't switch to pushing the Vedith lynch.

Day 3 lynch this if no scum in Maria/Shadow.
Day 2 lynch me and Gamma if no scum in Maria/Shadow

[Vedith]

Who the fuck is MHS and why is he pretending to be in the game?!

[Vedith]

Pie~~~~~

And Pie, and Cerb...

[Vedith]

Sorry I'm not pushing the Shadow wagon but Jester is pretty set on both of them being town and I trust his judgement.

Unvote

Vote: MDS

This is scum she has literally done nothing but fence sit how aren't people seeing these terrible posts. And now she uses Jester reads to give more non commital reads.

I'm sorry but I refuse to believe that MDS is a townie who is so attached to Jester that she is literally playing the game through him.

Then there's this kid.

[Vedith]

Invites pieguyn to dance

Be prepared for a PT full of interrogation and shit posting. Be very prepared.

I can imagine how exciting their PT is.

[Vedith]

Dunn, you obviously missed my post before hand because you are soooooooooooooo busy... What's your current read on me?
It doesn't appear clear to me and I want it clear.

[Vedith]

scummy

Glad we cleared that up.

[Vedith]

But it's more likely gamma than you anyway

Just don't care if you die in the process

Back to the fence. HIL-LAR-RI-OUS!

[Vedith]

Why do you abuse the up arrow emoji Vedith

You don't like it?

[Vedith]

But it's more likely gamma than you anyway

Just don't care if you die in the process

Back to the fence. HIL-LAR-RI-OUS!

It's not a fence because either way I vote the same slot.

It gives you a backing out of my read when Maria flips scum.
Keep it up though.

[Vedith]

Also I'm pretty sure it has been said already
But if Shadow/Maria are both town Kagami is probably scum

If they are both town, you're scum.
Stop trying to push else where

[Vedith]

zzz stop being bad
I don't SR you but you keep thinking in absolutes
stop

When scum flip on Maria/Shadow I'll trust you more.

[Vedith]

But it's more likely gamma than you anyway

Just don't care if you die in the process

Back to the fence. HIL-LAR-RI-OUS!

It's not a fence because either way I vote the same slot.

It gives you a backing out of my read when Maria flips scum.
Keep it up though.

Maria isn't flipping before you

THIS FUNNY GUY!!!!!!

[Vedith]

Also I'm pretty sure it has been said already
But if Shadow/Maria are both town Kagami is probably scum

If they are both town, you're scum.
Stop trying to push else where

So you'd be voting gamma if they flipped town?

I've already made this clear.

[Vedith]

So by the inverse you think gamma scum = shadow town?

More or less.
My main point is that Maria is flipping scum though. Gamma and Maria are not scum together.

[Vedith]

1721 - "I refuse to read the game at all"

[Vedith]

Does walking off the dance floor end day as if a lynch?

[Vedith]

It makes me laugh how much Dunn wants to shine away from lynch either group in me/gamma and Maria/Shadow.

For information alone, lynching these hroups are the only option.

[Vedith]

Does the flip happen when walking off, or at the end of day?

[Vedith]

Okay, so I think everyone more or less agrees that there is scum some what with me/Shadow/Maria/Gamma.
Here's my idea.

Me and Gamma leave, if both town lynch Maria / Shadow. If Gamma flips scum, then I feel less confident on Maria/Shadow scum as there would be no reason for Gamma to also push that pair.
From there, we can actually work to Dunn's reads imo.

[Vedith]

I actually doubt Gamma and Kagami are scum together. There might be no scum in {Maria, Shadow, Gamma, Vedith} after all.

I can't see there being no scum in the final 2 groups chosen.
Just general mindset, scum are not likely to have all 3 pick teams early, considering that there is a very, very slim chance that the first 5 pairs will not have S/S in.

You are the only person who doesn't think scum is in our 4, to my knowledge anyway.

Tonight, if Gamma flips scum, I highly suggest we lynch Mini and Jester.
If he flips town, then Maria and Shadow.

No one should really argue this idea considering peoples opinions so far on the game.

[Vedith]

Vedith please notice me senpai^^^

I'm at work, just skimming posts. :<

[Vedith]

Vedith you should answer this.

I was just excited to go to the ball!
Plus, Gamma is easier to read than sickofit but that wasn't really too much of an issue.

[Vedith]

You are the only person who doesn't think scum is in our 4, to my knowledge anyway.

Have you considered that Gamma might just be scummy and the mafia are taking advantage of it? Because honestly Kagami is a lot scummier to me than Gamma atm and I don't see them being scum together. I don't know what's been going on in your lover PT but if you're that strongly convinced then maybe my reads just suck.

I'm not opposed to our pair's lynch though, even if it ends up being a policy lynch in the end. Too many scumbags have tried to use us to further their agenda and I want to put an end to that. I'm just concerned that my reads are probably going to be ignored later on.

I can assure you that there won't be a policy lynch on you and Jester. If you're lynched it's because Gamma is scum.
I've considered that scum are trying to take advantage of it, but I've considered more than scum do not want me/Gamma or Maria/Shadow lynched as it turns back to them.

Scum Gamma - Points to you
Scum Maria - Points to you and Dunn
Scum Shadow - Who the fuck knows, eh?

Your reads aren't being ignored, by me at least, but I want more with the backing of them.

[Vedith]

Make sure you get your last thoughts and reads out, Gamma.

[Vedith]

You do realise that if neither you nor Shadow are lynched, my wagon is the next biggest contender, right? If I were scum and you town, I'd absolutely want you all lynched.

I've explained my reads in detail, please ISO me.

I'll ISO again later. If it's been in the last day I haven't really payed full attention to this game as it's in a stale state.
As it stands, I don't think your agon is at risk on being lynched, and not that I am saying this is the case, but you could have a scum buddy as Gamma and sitting back on the most popular lynch of Shadow/Maria for town cred.
Again, I'm not saying that's the case, but it's situations to consider why you are not voting either of us.

[Vedith]

Last thoughts and reads? Are you seriously going to leave the dance? Like fuck the plan whoever suggested if certain people leaving right now.

THIS IS NOT A NORMAL GAME.

You leaving does NOTHING to help the game state that just lynching you wouldn't do, while giving us more information, so don't fucking do it.

We already know peoples views on wagons etc.
Voting at this point is pure vanity. Leaving gives us information of another pair having scum or not. That is greater than the other suspects trying to push away from these lynches.

[Vedith]

WE ARE NOT LEAVING YET
HAVE YOU NOT READ THAT IT'S BETTER TO BE LYNCHED?
AND I DON'T LIKE THE DICHOTOMY WE'RE CURRENTLY IN

I disagree, just because others say it's better to be lynched doesn't mean I have to think like that.
Information before scum make a kill is better than after...

[Vedith]

Because I'm right.

[Vedith]

Mines not a threat. When I'm home we gone yo!

[Vedith]

Look at how worried Gamma is at leaving...
That's not a town reaction for thinking I'm scum for threatening.

[Vedith]

People already stated their view on us.
Stop trying to say voting matters.

As scum I'd be lynching the fuck out of my buddy for credit right now.

[Vedith]

People already stated their view on us.
Stop trying to say voting matters.

As scum I'd be lynching the fuck out of my buddy for credit right now.

same

Didn't we just scum slip being buddies? Fuck

[Vedith]

Lol Gamma.

[Vedith]

Gamma has basically scum claimed from his reaction to us leaving.

[Vedith]

wew a lot of shit happened while i was away

This is what happens when you leave us alone!

[Vedith]

How did gamma roll scum two times in a row jej

Randomness has no pattern.

There's a 1 in 8,000 chance for getting scum twice.

[Vedith]

3% = 8000.231
So I was close enough.

[Vedith]

No lynching until I finish work, thanks.

[Vedith]

@Vedith: Excuse me for trying to be an active influence in the game. If you are Town and you leave, I'm tunneling you as much as possible for the foreseeable future.

I get tunneled every game by someone, this really doesn't bother me.

I'll comment on the Mini switch later as I feel it's important to discuss.

[Vedith]

Huh?
I read it as any future games Gamma will tunnel me.

[Vedith]

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't leave as scum under any reason. It's the same as I won't self vote as scum.
Regardless, I finish in 10mins, get your fill Gamma.

[Vedith]

Scum laeving removes some VCA

Considering it's a good assumption that scum have day chat, VCA wouldn't really mean shit anyway.
I could easily organise a lynch on me as scum with other scum to make them look good.
I'm also not about giving myself up before a team mate. Rather them than me, you know.

[Vedith]

VCA is shit without reasons
Daytalk doesn't change REASONS!

"Vedith is pushing way too hard on Maria"
"Vedith has ignored to read XXX player and XXX plater".
Reasons are not hard to make, tell me more, Gamma.

If you was town you would be giving your reads now.

[Vedith]

I'VE ALREADY GIVEN MY READS
BUT I'M NOT SURE ON THE BEST PATH TO TAKE
GGGGRRRAAAAAHH YOU ARE IMPOSSIBLE!

Nothing else to add to them?

[Vedith]

I really hope Gamma flips town so Vedith doesn't feel like he's doing the right thing.

A town flip means I also done the right thing.
And who the fuck hopes for someone to flip town? Stop coasting with your stupid town possition. Might as well have put 2 ICs in this game.

[Vedith]

SCUMSLIIIIIIP!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOUR TOWNCRED IS GONE

[Vedith]

No, a town flip means you don't get to look back on this mistake with the benefit of any sort of result oriented bias. You're forced to acknowledge that you fucked up and killed a town/town pair.

But I don't learn my lessons.
Plus, you are here saying that we are both town. How the fuck are you going with that?

[Vedith]

FUCK IT
I WILL LYNCH MYSELF RIGHT NOW IF YOU DO NOT PROMISE TO NEVER LEAVE
YOUR TOWNCRED IS GONE

if you think he's a possible wolf, push a case on him and see where it goes instead of suiciding like a dumbass.

(smith does more setup talk)

Smith's done fuck all this game.

[Vedith]

I mean, I'd prefer you didn't do it at all and just talked people into voting for your pair, because at least then we'd get to see how much pushback against the idea exists(because honestly, the wagons so far haven't been scary enough to elicit much information from).

@Vedith: in the universe where you're willing to remove yourself, YOU ARE TOWN(or playing against win con). In the universe where you remove yourself, snd Gamma flips town as well, you're both town.

Logic. It's like magic.

But I have Gamma high on my scum list.
I also have 2, yes 2 people I would put as town if he flips scum.
What you are saying is fucking stupid. It's like saying if you're a vig, and you kill a town you are playing against your wincon.
GTFO and play better.

If you want to use logic, then learn to get it right, kiddo.

[Vedith]

Vedith if you're gonna do it. Then do it.
I'm getting tired of Gamma's non sense.

I'm just leaving work, I'm doing it when home.

[Vedith]

Oh, parama: I'm not voting because I believe going straight to second dance before any lynches is optimal. I also don't vote much in general, so that's something you'll have to learn to live with.

@Vedith: THIS GAME IS NOT LIKE OTHER GAMES. The vig, in the scenario you described, WOULD be acting anti-town if their vig shot would also kill them. The VALUE of a vig shooting a town slot who would otherwise be a mislynch is that it SAVES TOWN from wasting the mislynch(which they have a limited number of). In the scenario where town loses TWO town slots from the vig shot thats meant to "clarify" things, town has essentially lost a mislynch, and that's what happens here when a town slot leaves the dance, dragging their town partner in tow. It doesn't MATTER that you're scumreading him. What you're doing IS NOT using a vig shot, it's using a one shot that lynches someone and kills you. Those are very different things.

I'm just a Day vigilante lover.
I wouldn't be worried about lynching/killing someone I am lovered with in a normal game if I suspect scum, why here?

I'm home, just posting.

[Vedith]

So as I said, this is actually really good for town.
It's like having 2 day phases, which is always pro town.

This is where I'm at with the Gamma flip based on ISO alone.

	Gamma Town	Gamma Scum	Is Vedith cool?
Dunn	Null	Town	Yes
SAD	Null	Null	Yes
Jester	Scum	Null	Yes
Shadow	Scum	Town	Yes
Human	Town	Null	Yes
mhs	Null	Null	Yes
Cerb	Null	Null	Yes
Pie	Null	Town	Yes
Maria	Scum	Town	Yes
Para	Null	Scum	Yes
Nahdia	Town	Town	Yes
Mini	Town	Scum	Yes
Scout	Scum*	Scum*	Yes ^
Kagami	Null	Town	Yes ^

I do want to explain that more though, as those flips go by the ISO of each person involving Gamma.
My main concerns though are the people with null/null as it shows they haven't involved themselves in a strong topic.

Dunn - Gamma town doesn't change much but his responses and pre dance talk about Gamma would highly suggest town if Gamma is scum. I do agree that he has a lot of posts, and so little content.

SAD - Not only is his ISO bullshit, he has me as scum/Gamma as null but votes for Shadow as scum/Maria as town. The only reason I put it as null is because there's basically nothing there. Overall though, I think his actions are pretty scummy and if Gamma if scum, it should consider SAD as more scum rather than null.

Jester - The ISO would pin Jester as scum on a Gamma town, but I don't think Jester is scum here regardless. I do think that he will hinder town on ignoring Mini being scum (if she is) and refuse to listen on it. His scum reads aren't bad, but not thought of properly. Personally, I think Jester is posting less and pushing less because he doesn't want to look scummy and get him and Mini lynched (yes, as town).

Shadow - Gamma and Shadow are never flipping scum together. The scum on Shadow is only purely from the ISO and not my thought. I think there's a less chance than others for Shadow to flip scum here if Gamma is town. Not really much else to go on apart from a Gamma town should still be a Maria/Shadow lynch.

Human - The ISO suggests null if Gamma is scum, but I don't like Gamma's interaction on me saying that I will leave the floor. I can't see Human not pushing me and Gamma as scum though, given that Human knows I can change opinion easily.

mhs - I have nothing here, and he worries me. Only really commented on Gamma after I said about leaving the floor with him. He's just hiding under the radar, he isn't discussing any major topics and he wore brown shoes with red pants. Also, his first vote was on Gamma after I said we are leaving the floor. Regardless, this slot should not be seen as town by anyone.

Cerb - Being lazy on the town credit early game. Not sure I liked the comments implying he knows that Gamma is town.

Pie - It is what it is. From as little as Pie has posted, Gamma scum is a Pie town. Other than that, Pie should stop coasting. Never played with Pie scum, not sure if this is normal or no.

Maria - I've made a clear point about this. Gamma's flip determines Maria's align. They are on opposite teams.

Para - Overall I still like Para for town, but a Gamma scum could suggest Para scum from ISO alone.

Nahdia - Lazy IC

Mini - This is the one I wanted to speak about the most. And I fear that as I already said, Jester is going to be biased against this. I think Mini's passive play is purely looking to prevent the lynch on herself (and not looking to keep Jester alive). The reason I say this is because she called Jester scum in their PT, and when Jester mentioned it she wanted to cover it up. The whole voting onto Gamma as well seems purely from me saying that I am walking from the dance floor rather than finding him scummy. The first clear indication that Gamma is scum is on 2040 just after 1999 where she is pushing for Gamma town.
She also has 1907 where Shadow is town, but says 1948 that we are more useful than Shadow? Being town and being useful mean two different things.
She finally makes a vote with 2054 although it has already been said that I am leaving the floor. I'm not even sure to why anyone gave this any credit at all?
If Gamma is scum, this is going to be 1 of his partners. If Gamma is town, I think Mini should be put as a null still, even if the ISO suggests town. The way Gamma reacted really seems like scum to me though.

Scout - The ISO is very mis leading I feel here and probably should be Null/Null. My biggest concern is that he thinks Gamma is scum, then votes Mini and Jester. There's really not a great deal from him, and I'd stick him in the null/null section to where he's a threat.

Kagami - I keep trying to see a reason to see Kagami as scum, but I really don't see it. If it ever fell to no scum in me/Gamma/Maria/Shadow then Kagami would be number 1 choice in my books, but as I strongly believe there is scum in our 2 pairs, Kagami seems like a solid town for me.

Town
Kagami
Para
Jester
Nahdia

Town lean
Cerb
Human (it's so well/well not)

Null
SAD
mhs
Pie
Scout

Lean Scum
Shadow

Scum
Gamma
Mini
Maria
Dunn

It really should go like this.
Gamma town - Lynch Maria/Shadow
Game scum - Lynch Mini/Jester

To sum up how I feel Gamma is


Sorry Gamma, but when I said I put out, I lied.

Vedith leaves the dance floor

[Vedith]

Fhghggggghhggvhg
I FUCKING HATE YOUR IDIOTIC ASS AND WOULD BE RATHER PLEASED IF YOU LEFT THIS SITE

Yeah, a lot of people feel this way.

[Vedith]

Vedith confirmed terrible at mafia.

Got ir.

Coming from the guy with nothing in the game just going by being town read by others.

[Vedith]

That's because, fuck Human!