Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

[Jaack]

@BV - Which is more likely - GM+Creature or GM+Rask. Because both involve hard busses. (I'm going off memory here so correct me if I'm wrong).

Uff I think GM is the scummiest player left, but the only pairing that makes much sense right now is GM+Maria, in which case the higher percentage play is to probably just lynch Maria.

[Raskolnikov]

Can you explain the exact reason you passed on the GM lynch option to go for Hoopla? It seemed like GM was your number one scumread for a very long time.

It was pretty retarded by me tbh

Towards the end hoopla super rubbed me the wrong way with her push on me when I was top townread for her just earlier and I thought it was pretty wack how lackadaisical she was just lynching in her pool and even whatever on it being me or gm. I started to get super tunneled on her/gm that as the team and didn't think it mattered anymore at a certain point, but then towards the end I went even more wack and crackpot theorizing associatives I saw hoopla's open associatves to every player and being the only one on the wagon in a potential bus position more worth given the few weird things I had about GM (I don't parade this around obviously as I don't have an answer but even now gm-maria and gm-creature are both kind of weird as scumteams given the interactions tbh).

[BlackVoid]

I don't know. I have a feeling Rask is town but need to re-read him to make sure. If I do wind up with a confident townread, I think lynching MariaR and going from there might be a better idea than locking in a Rask lynch if she flips town. That only works if I'm alive tomorrow though. I can't stop Cloud from just voting Rask.

That's why I think waiting on a replacement is good. I want to read the GM-slot from a different angle.

[Raskolnikov]

Actually I still feel like creature is town on a skim.

[Raskolnikov]

Yeah it probably doesn't matter I guess.

[CloudKicker]

I just feel like rask is flip floping really hard, she leaving all the lynch options open and then come back on her ''mistake'' on hoop yday which was more like she hard sred hoop and like i said, she even was 100% sure about creature and appealed to everyone on the table trying to not get lynched, she ated hard and now that hoop fliped shes going back on her creature read right off the bat entering the day, also creature voted rask with me but then switched off to mariar the moment jack did without commenting why he thinks mariar > rask etc. He aslo prefered to vote with jack over me which is again odd. I think rask is going back on her reads, no having a strong stance atm even on gm, leaving everything open so she isnt insta voted if gm flip town. Her going againts mariar rn who voted gm as well, is again, odd. Imo rask is scum with either mariar or creature

[CloudKicker]

Mariar shoudlnt be with creature obviously, today reinforced that read Mariar/creature should be an option.

[CloudKicker]

And bv, you should actually trust my reads i aint bad just cause im new, my whole playstyle is team readings and poe, im a beast in endgame clutches

[CloudKicker]

Actually I still feel like creature is town on a skim.

That would mean mariar is bussing GM over voting the creature lynch further when even if GM flip scum, she prob wont survive independently of her play today, especially with a ml so ur read doesnt work (cause ure mafia )

[Raskolnikov]

OO ooo can I use this to get you to say something quoteworthy?

[Raskolnikov]

Make like an exaggerated 1 sentence summary of everything

[Raskolnikov]

Focus on the association part. "Rask is confirmed scum from associations" or something like that.

AtE and waffling is also historically annoying but at least when that happens it's super easy to give past-game examples to each, but that doesn't work for associations.

[MariaR]

gave my case go on and lynch me I'm done

[MariaR]

I'm not giving up but when Creature flip scums I'm gonna pick someone in the face

[MariaR]

@BV - Which is more likely - GM+Creature or GM+Rask. Because both involve hard busses. (I'm going off memory here so correct me if I'm wrong).

Uff I think GM is the scummiest player left, but the only pairing that makes much sense right now is GM+Maria, in which case the higher percentage play is to probably just lynch Maria.

HOW IS THIS THE ONLY ONE THAT MAKES SENSE IF YOU SR GM LYNCH IT AND LYNCH ME/CREATURE IN THAT ORDER FFS

[CloudKicker]

Focus on the association part. "Rask is confirmed scum from associations" or something like that.

AtE and waffling is also historically annoying but at least when that happens it's super easy to give past-game examples to each, but that doesn't work for associations.

Im just saying your pov doesnt work if you are correct and town

[CloudKicker]

''Rask is confirmed scum or wrong''

[Raskolnikov]

Lol WTF is this shit. Why couldn't I be wrong?

[CloudKicker]

You mean correct ? like i said because the creat/mariar cant be a team and you cant be with gm

[CloudKicker]

Like you cannot townread creature here since mariar is voting gm with you and creature voted mariar farily easily, that would point to a creature/gm team and yet you dont seems to doubt yourself ot actually try to read creat. The only thing youve done is 1 liner about how he should be town etc or obscure meta read

[Raskolnikov]

Man that's unsatisfying as fuck.

[CloudKicker]

So imo, if you are correct about creature being town, then i dont see a mariar/gm team where maria wants gm to flip, because then you would most likely be townread for at the very least 1 day and mariar would get lynched for overall game buddying and so one, as town with towncread youd also defend your creature read -> i would probably lynch mariar if gm flip scum. So mariar bussing here makes 0 sens rask. So if ure town, either creature is scum/scum is bussing in a really bad position/jack is mefia. I doubt scum is bussing in autoloss on ml and i doubt jack is mefia, that leaves creature that you townread

[MariaR]

This game is unsatisfying as fuck*

[CloudKicker]

Thats why, if anything, if Jack is town rask/creat theres at least 1 mafia. If creature is mafia that almost clear mariar. If Rask is mafia, that almost clear gm

[CloudKicker]

I would lynch in creat/rask -> If 1 flips town, id lynch the other. If 1 flip mafia, i would clear gm/mariar accordingly for 1 day and then go from there