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3 cards here. Not much in the way of reads. If you're town please don't claim any false information, it will screw with town who solve the game using logic. If you have a choice between false/misleading info and no info, go with the no info. Scum please go ahead and lie, ty.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In this game with the roles coming and going with the cards, there are no traditional claims. At most people can claim cards they have and why.
I'm wary of using the term consolidate, but we need voting patterns in this game more than most.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I have two ways of setup specing people into scum roles for this setup. At this point I don't think I'll reveal the who or why on that method of PoEing scum other than to say it works for me in the PyP X/Y open setup which works very similar to this one. It's by no means infallible but it does identify more likely candidates.
I find it interesting that none of the people I'd setup spec into one of the scum roles using method 1 are being wagoned. I haven't really looked at method 2 other than one person I'd normally identify for that role is acting pretty townie.
Pedit: @rb: you can be more idiotic if you try.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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You've forgotten that RVS is a thing?In post 581, rb wrote:davesaz how is ur best scumread right now vifam like wowww
and why are u petitioning for big wagons and vanity voting in the meantime?
someone dayvig this slot my frontal lobes are offended
Do you have frontal lobes? By your posting it's so hard to tell.
Oh yeah, that's right. Some people sling shit and some actually think. I'm the type who actually thinks.
Pedit: No, there's a thing with the numbers which sorts sets of people into (1 scum in this set). I've never seen more than one. It's only a rough way to pigeonhole because sometimes there are zero.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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RB, I've only actually been playing for an hour.
Titus, what do you mean by an example?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Picking duplicate numbers puts both lower in the draft. Scum can (and should) avoid picking dups between themselves but they can't avoid duping with someone else. If they don't avoid dups among themselves, they risk picking trips or quads and ending up last. That said, existence of dups isIn post 594, gigabyteTroubadour wrote: but this set-up is totally different because there's two of each card, so it's actually plausible that scum deliberately picked identical draft numbers... like i'm pretty low in the draft and i'm surprised to have gotten the cards i did.notthe basis of my method. I only want to make sure there isn't too much focus on this fallacy (that dups matter) either way.
In the meantime, the numeric analysis is only useful in shrinking the suspect list to allow a narrower focus, which in a larger game is even more important. The real work is focusing on those people which I've just started doing.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Correction: Where I said "scum roles" I mean alignments. I realize now that it could be interpreted as predicting which cards are bid for which is not the case here.In post 598, Titus wrote:
You say you use two methods of setup spec to put players into roles.In post 597, davesaz wrote:RB, I've only actually been playing for an hour.
Titus, what do you mean by an example?
Method A: I do xyz to determine abc.
One scum is likely in the outlier numbers. Scum will huddle and realize that picking an outlandish number guarantees a pick in the top quarter of the list or so, where individual town are less likely to come up with that conclusion. For this game it's any number chosen greater than 23. Two of those picks arelessindicative of the rest because they have a clear basis as not being random -- Titus and kraska. Titus's pick is clearly based on the reference to Math in the signup thread, and kraska's is userid based. By comparison I might have thought to pick 55 (age) or 61 (birth year) if I hadn't been trying to be the lowest unique number. BTW I picked the lowest prime greater than 10 because I thought that fewer people would think of it.
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Ugh, multiple images like that is not cool.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 365, Vedith wrote:
Okay, so that's my role?In post 361, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Check if you got a Queen or Clubs.In post 359, Vedith wrote:So do I have the roles I won to use?In post 501, Vedith wrote:@Drone, McMenno, Creature - OMG rb knows I'm scum, I'm fucked!
VOTE: VedithIn post 526, Vedith wrote:
Because it's McMeno and he's always scum! :<... Even when he's not.In post 522, Fishythefish wrote:Any reason why McMenno rather than someone else who has done nothing?
Fake "didn't read the setup" posting, jokingly claiming scum, and the opportunism to thought ratio is way up there.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I could be wrong on kraska. Too early to have lots of town reads.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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You're welcome to join me on Vedith.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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@Vecna, when I'm town and people are posting things that show they don't understand the mechanics or the strategy implied by those mechanics, I correct them. It's what I do. Just because something is obvious to you does not make it obvious to everyone.
In this case I was sleeping and thus immune to seeing the last ~6 pages of mindless drivel in real-time, but I regret having to wade through that shit without a warning. If y'all are gonna do that gimme some warning to put my boots on first.
@Magna, you're up for saying what the missing card is.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Cards don't predict alignment, they only help narrow the pool. If someone acts scummy then it should supercede the cards.
The game also has deck altering mechanics, so a card can be manipulated to never become active.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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What's Vedith doing that's town?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Who is Vedith voting, and why?
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You've said nothing about the why, and very little about anything else.In post 1008, Vedith wrote:I'm voting McScumbag because he's scum.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 607, davesaz wrote:In post 365, Vedith wrote:
Okay, so that's my role?In post 361, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Check if you got a Queen or Clubs.In post 359, Vedith wrote:So do I have the roles I won to use?In post 501, Vedith wrote:@Drone, McMenno, Creature - OMG rb knows I'm scum, I'm fucked!
VOTE: VedithIn post 526, Vedith wrote:
Because it's McMeno and he's always scum! :<... Even when he's not.In post 522, Fishythefish wrote:Any reason why McMenno rather than someone else who has done nothing?
Fake "didn't read the setup" posting, jokingly claiming scum, and the opportunism to thought ratio is way up there.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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More content in Bebop. It's subtle but there is a difference.In post 1026, kraska77 wrote:
Vexith was the same in frozens game, why is his play scummy to you here but not thereIn post 1019, davesaz wrote:
You've said nothing about the why, and very little about anything else.In post 1008, Vedith wrote:I'm voting McScumbag because he's scum.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Plz explain how this primo scumhunting can be called lurking?
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There are duplicate colors in that rainbow btw. And wayyyyy too many categories.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Let's just say my avi is representative of RL.
In order to think, there must be something to think about.
Out of almost 1100 posts, maybe 50 meet that definition.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Let's flip that. Someone'sIn post 1092, Vecna wrote:
Like, how can you guys not scumread shit like this?In post 1088, davesaz wrote:Let's just say my avi is representative of RL.
In order to think, there must be something to think about.
Out of almost 1100 posts, maybe 50 meet that definition.everypost isbrutallyhonest. How can you scumread it?
I get caught as scum because I can't lie effectively.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Nope. I'm unable to make up a fake scumread. I'm even unable to make up a fake townread.In post 1099, Drone wrote:
Is that a lie?In post 1095, davesaz wrote:
Let's flip that. Someone'sIn post 1092, Vecna wrote:
Like, how can you guys not scumread shit like this?In post 1088, davesaz wrote:Let's just say my avi is representative of RL.
In order to think, there must be something to think about.
Out of almost 1100 posts, maybe 50 meet that definition.everypost isbrutallyhonest. How can you scumread it?
I get caught as scum because I can't lie effectively.
It's the #1 reason I can't be a salesman.
Pedit: Titus is up for missing card.
Pedit2: I gave 3 reasons in the one post.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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You can take this as a question.In post 1019, davesaz wrote:
You've said nothing about the why, and very little about anything else.In post 1008, Vedith wrote:I'm voting McScumbag because he's scum.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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So, first step, do you explicitly TR anyone in this list?
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6 - rb - Town
9 - Creature - Nulltown
14 - Jackel98 - Nullscumlurker
26 - MariaR - Weak town
42 - Vedith - Scum
77 - kraska77 - Weak scum
3141592653 - Titus - Town
4 - MagnaofIllusion - Null leaning scum
4 - Transcend - Weak town
5 - gerryoat - Null leaning town
5 - Fishythefish - Null
11 - davesaz - Town
11 - Kison - Null leaning scum
13 - gigabyteTroubadour - Weak town
13 - Maxous - Null
17 - drealmerz7 - Undecided
17 - Drone - Null
2 - Vecna - Weak town
2 - Dunnstral - Null
2 - SpyreX - Null
12 - McMenno - Null leaning scum
12 - Lil Uzi Vert - Weak town
12 - Vifam - Null leaning town
Some of the nulls have not said enough, others have posts but I haven't focused there enough to read.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I'll look again, but what are you trying to say?In post 1567, Vecna wrote:Vedith just confirmed himself as town is what just happened.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Nothing about the card itself, using it, or claiming it is alignment indicative. Either alignment could benefit from knowing next trump, and either could hope to get "town cred" by claiming it.In post 1625, rb wrote:He claimed a card and thats nice but not rly meaningful
Not to mention, THE TRUMP DID NOT CHANGE, and the card which was used has another useful ability which is now unavailable to the player who used it for this phase. This was not a rig, it was a flip.
Not sure how to respond to the Jackel wagon as I skipped all of that trying to get past all the pedits. And I'm headed out to work so a lack of further post from me is meaningless.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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So you say you're town and holding Jack of Clubs which is active at the time, and it's early game. If you are up for lynch, what's the right move to increase odds that town wins?In post 1961, Vedith wrote:I'm just claiming my cards now because I can't be arsed to deal with rb being bad alllllllllll day.
I have Spades 8, Spades 2, Clubs Jack.
Tomorrow, I'm a hated, beloved Gov'.
Originally I was sure I chose Spades 2 and 3 so I messaged the mod about my Spade PT, then when checking the sent items, I actually chose Spade 8, not 3.
Keep me alive, scum are forced to kill me or have no kill tomorrow night.
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Not a town mindset.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Eh, I misread and didn't see the "none".Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Someone who isn't kraska gimme the case on Transcend. I ask this mainly because it's such a pain to dig back through all those pages.
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I was looking more for a case which is independent of kraska.
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With spades trump last night, how is this relevant?In post 2328, Titus wrote:The kill on Creature does tell us something. Either scum has the other 6 of clubs OR scum felt safe enough to shoot above me with two know bulletproofs or desperate enough.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Making a show about not knowing how the flip is going to go.In post 2276, Maxous wrote:yes
but flipping town or scum could make a big difference to how i interpret votes
And surprise at the kill choice.In post 2298, Maxous wrote:Transcend is high vig priority regardless of what's happening.
fairly surprised by Creature kill but maybe i haven't been paying attention
I think I'll go verify Titus's point that Creature never wanted her lynched.
Pedit: OK, so Creature did at one point have her on his list. Still why point to just two players when the earlier list from Creature had so many more.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I've been reading "moi" as French for "me" this whole game, not Magna.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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No idea what people see in Transcend. I see his actions as much more likely to be town.
LUV isn't someone I know how to read yet. I'm open to being swayed on that wagon but someone would need to put in effort to explain.
For me, the wagons most likely to be on scum are Jackel and Maxous. Of the people on those wagons, I like the composition of Jackel's wagon better.
VOTE: Jackel98
I do see Maxous's point on milkshake, but it needs more development IMO.
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VOTE: MariaR
Trying to fake reasons that RB wasn't a scumkill. There's a big difference between being uninformed and trying to look like uninformed, this is the latter.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Put Titus down as scum too, after I flip town.In post 2650, Titus wrote:
That's absurb. This vote is terrible.In post 2645, davesaz wrote:VOTE: MariaR
Trying to fake reasons that RB wasn't a scumkill. There's a big difference between being uninformed and trying to look like uninformed, this is the latter.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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If you're town, you think about the game, read what cards are in play, and know what the hell is going on.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Town thinking that obvtown rb would be vigged is beyond comprehension. I can't see town anyone making that mistake.In post 2660, Fishythefish wrote:
If you're scum, you also think about the game, read what cards are in play, and know what the hell is going on - and pretending you don't would be weird. So, either way, Maria's playstyle is very different from yours and mine. Why do you think this is MariaScum faking not reading the rules, rather than MariaTown actually not reading the rules?In post 2659, davesaz wrote:If you're town, you think about the game, read what cards are in play, and know what the hell is going on.
What makes me think she's scum is that she went back to the well to try to findanotherreason it's not a scum kill. Clearly trying to plant seeds of doubt on the conversation about who as scum would need to kill rb.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I for one think you should not. Sorry but the fun can wait, there are scum to catch.In post 2662, Transcend wrote:Oh btw so I'm conf town now right?
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What about it? I will flip town, and the Titus post I was replying to is scummy.In post 2691, Jackel98 wrote:He just annoys me in general. 2658, most recently.
My Maria read is quite real. I do think she was faking, and the "gee I really thought it was a vig" post didn't help.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I am not currently seeing what I'd expect if Titus were scum.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Max looks pretty town to me, probing in a lot of different places and none of them seem speculative to me.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Vecna, I wrote 2874 in a very precise way. If you think hard enough you may realize that "town meta" and "lack of scum meta" are two completely different things.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Jackel, who would you venge and why?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Titus, the deck rigging ability is not currently active.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Have we played before? If not, please listen to the people who have.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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You can't use the rig card to rig.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Gov is not active unless a jack is trump.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I'm hesitant to answer because some people don't like displays of logic but...
For it to be possible the other Jc would need to be trump, and then there would be no lynch so the vengeful would not activate.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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EBWOP no lynch if the gov was activated. (think it's optional...) So the choice would be between being lynched and venge, or no lynch.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Town has a vested interest in keeping the people who can logic the game in the 2nd half alive during the first half.In post 3161, Vecna wrote:Because for someone that is so aware of all the ins and outs of the setup he is way too quiet
If you're town, you're trying to lose. If you're scum, you're absolutely correct that I'm one of the players who can nail you if you let me.
My earlier weak town on Maria evolved to weak scum over the playing dumb angle.
Still SR Vedith, and was trying to figure out if Jackel is town vengeful or scum trying to use it as a threat to save himself.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Not a clue what that means.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Given what you posted had no meaning, no.In post 3174, Vecna wrote:Im sure you can logic your way to the answerWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Your problem is that you can't believe an honest person can be town.In post 3206, Vecna wrote:Dave is nowhere near the too scummy to be scum play that dunn/gerry/menno etc are doing.
He's actually trying to appear town but failing and just feels scummy as a politician
You're not alone, sadly. Too many people assume there has to be an ulterior motive.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Eh?
Pedit: Eh? Everything I'm sayingisgenuine. This is the real me not some internet persona, but I'm open to getting help understanding why others don't see it that way.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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