New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[The_Jester]

Depends. Naughty gals do like us rough behind curtains but they expect to be treated well in public.
That being said,

@Lady Mini, would you like to have a dance with me? In fact I know you do, therefore my question should be: are you brave enough?

[The_Jester]

Are you underestimating me, mon chéri? Size is not everything. You of all people should know that.

I too like my meat well roasted

[The_Jester]

Umm guys are there bad guys in this setup???

[The_Jester]

Btw it should be noted this flavor is very not sjw friendly.

[The_Jester]

also what's up with the quick pairing between jester and MDS?

Jelly of my game?

[The_Jester]

You should be!

[The_Jester]

Yeah but he'll not get a real lady

[The_Jester]

True partnership crosses all boundries!

Also I'm baffled with the lack of masked people in here. Do you not have any decency coming to a Masquerade Ball unmasked?

[The_Jester]

That's pretty romantic.

[The_Jester]

Gotta attract those weird guys.

sorry for hyperposting btw, this is one of the only times i can actually participate in something that resembles rvs (due to timezones)

Tell me about it. Damn 'Muricans.

[The_Jester]

Lady Mini, I trust your judgement. And you have to trust mine.
Where's that pt though

[The_Jester]

Shh no tears, only dreams now

[The_Jester]

Now, with that said, I don't believe any town lady should so blithely accept a dance from any gentleman. This is a chance to weed out a villain in our midst, or force the villains to dance together at the least.

Speaking of which...2 mafia gentlemen, one lady? Vice versa? Anyone have any thoughts on what's more likely?

Found the first scum. First, town have no bussiness pairing with IC cause that doesn't amount to them solving the game in any way. That overblown explanation in #98 looks like nervous scum. Second, that 'innocent' setup spec question looks like taken straight outta scumbook.

Pedit I can't fucking post cause every time I hit submit there's a new post. Please

[The_Jester]

HS I know your reasoning for it and it's invalid. Don't try to meta me based on 1 game.

[The_Jester]

Stop being tryhard scum, Parama.
@HS can't yet.

[The_Jester]

Nah I'm gonna have to ask you to do it now, sorry.
What's the town motivation for not answering?

Talking about ongoing games maybe? Dunno, take a hint

[The_Jester]

What are you on, Parama? That's what I said. Cerb is scum for wanting to pair with confirmed town. Wtf?

[The_Jester]

Yeah as long as you lynch cerb first and then fuck off, I'll be ok with this

[The_Jester]

Found the first scum.

First, town have no bussiness pairing with IC cause that doesn't amount to them solving the game in any way.

That overblown explanation in #98 looks like nervous scum. Second, that 'innocent' setup spec question looks like taken straight outta scumbook.

"town have no business pairing with IC" ---> "only scum should pair with the IC"

I dunno whether I'm dumb or you are. That's what I said, what's your problem with it? Town have literally no reason to waste the pt mechanic on having chitchat with other town instead of looking for scum. I don't get what you're saying.

[The_Jester]

HS stop using activity as a fucking indicator of anything. I'm at work not being able to keep up with such volume of posting with the little time I have right now. I post when I decide it's time, if you think you'll get towncred for calling me out then you're wrong. Right now it looks like you're spamming for the sake of it.
And I'm not a "her", fuck off.

[The_Jester]

DUDE, I'M FOLLOWING THE THREAD MORE OR LESS BUT I DON'T HAVE TIME TO ANALYSE EVERY POST AND WRITE MEANINGFUL OBSERVATIONS AND SHIT SO I REFRAIN FROM POSTING UNTIL I DO

[The_Jester]

Omg I had enough of this bye

[The_Jester]

I don't think Shadow's scum tbh

[The_Jester]

I don't think Shadow's scum tbh

Caught up?

P30 atm

Right now I'd say Dayne, pieguyn, Parama for town, Dunn and Shadow, Maria townlean, scum idk maybe Gamma or Vedith? He feels different from both towngame and scumgame that I know so I'm confused but I don't think he'd be scum with Gamma. The rest's null let's say, I'm having trouble remembering who is who and what they said

Pedit oh wow vedith and gamma are the lead wagon ok then. Reading up

[The_Jester]

I'll tell you when the dance ends

[The_Jester]

Don't worry, if I decide she's scum, I'm suiciding

[The_Jester]

Don't worry, if I decide she's scum, I'm suiciding

I get that but I want to know your view on her as of now.
It's important to know what partners think of each other.
Mini has you as null so far.

Same I guess. What's your opinion on her?

[The_Jester]

You disappoint Jester, I thought my town game was more obvious.

Or perhaps you think I've upgraded my scum game?

I do think you have great potential and are able to improve massively on game-to-game basis

[The_Jester]

Would your view on her change if I told you she's scumleaning on me in private but doesn't out this out of fear of getting evicted?

[The_Jester]

She asked me if I was scum, I said no and she went oh no so you're scum.
And now after I outed her keeping her real read on me secret, she starts townreading me. I'm a bit worried.

[The_Jester]

Dunno she apparently doesn't wanna see me die. Or maybe us.
As I said, I'll need some time cause it's hard to differentiate between buddying cause we like each other and buddying to pocket.

[The_Jester]

Dunno she apparently doesn't wanna see me die. Or maybe us.
As I said, I'll need some time cause it's hard to differentiate between buddying cause we like each other and buddying to pocket.

I mean, I'm not sure how to even think of that.
If there's scum in you 2, I'm 100% certain it's not you though.

Tell me, why is Maria town lean for you?

Oh I saw like one post that I liked but it's prone to change. I'll tell you what I think when I finish catching up.

[The_Jester]

@HS maybe it's me but it looks like you can't decide on your judgement criteria

Vedith's entire play is him -acting- like his abrasiveness while he's town, but he's not town so it's muted, blunted and not as powerful.

You went from 'this is obviously scummy, lynch this' to 'oh, that makes a little more sense, but this slot is still a little suss'

First you scumlean on him for not being as decisive and aggressive as town!Vedith is - and rightfully so- but then you townlean on him for not being so blunt and seeing him coast, leaving his options open.
Which is it?

[The_Jester]

I'm not townleaning vedith.
Please read the thread.

That post literally does not even make sense. That's an empty jab at a stone wall.

I will happily answer any questions you have but I must ask you to word them a little more legibly.

Please contain your fucking ego cause I seriously have enough of you discrediting what I say by making that same shit argument of "being scared" and "avoiding the thread" based on nothing but activity. I saw what I thought was discrepancy, asked you to elaborate, why can't you do just that instead of acting all superior and shit?

[The_Jester]

Oh look HS you're not responding for 30 seconds, you must have gotten scared and turned off your internet and burnt the house to hide evidence you're scum

[The_Jester]

Yeah, you're not attacking me at all.
Ok restating it so you understand

HS SAY VEDITH BAD CAUSE VEDITH DULL
VEDITH ACT DULL HS SAY VEDITH GOOD
IF JESTER WRONG OK JUST ASK

[The_Jester]

@HS Notice that I didn't ask you to elaborate. I got what you meant the first time around but you insisted that I'm scum for not responding to you with further explanation to my question so I did what you asked me. I don't need this discussion to go any further.
The worst thing is I think you may actually be town. And there's nothing worse than an overzealous, self-righteous townie.

[The_Jester]

@HS to put it simply, this useless talk could've ended with your #1100 but you just had to provoke me in #1118. Get what I mean? Ok let's stop this.

[The_Jester]

I still think Shadow's town.

[The_Jester]

We've been playing only for 1,5 days and some people haven't had the chance to catch up. What's the rush?

[The_Jester]

I'm more worried about people refusing to take a stance on the three main wagons we've got right now.

My stance is: I don't like the shadow wagon, vedith/gamma could hide 1 scum but I'm not utterly convinced yet.

@Nahdia still don't see the problem. If people are ready to lynch after 1,5 days why are you afraid we won't make it before the DL? Dunno about others' pts but I still haven't utilized mine fully.

Pedit ninja'd

[The_Jester]

I'm not grilling you in particular, you answered so I figured you're the voice of the people, being confirmed and all. Plus we've not talked this game so hi

[The_Jester]

I BUDDY AT ALL TIMES I'M A FRIENDLY PERSON OK :<

[The_Jester]

Member Chewbacca?

[The_Jester]

I don't wanna lynch Shadow-Maria tbh

[The_Jester]

I'm afraid we're at the point where the Shadow circlejerk has gone too far to stop. If Shadow lives through today and we don't manage to lynch scum, he'll prolly end up dead tomorrow anyway.

[The_Jester]

Literally her 2 posts back

Town pairs for me so far:

Cerb/Nahdia
Jester/Mini
HS/Parama
(Jester thinks Maria/Shadow is town, too, but I'm not too sure)

Mini's town, leave her alone.

[The_Jester]

@Dayne I've talked with her enough in our pt to judge her alignment. Take my word for it or don't. You're just making suboptimal lynch choice which is

sad

cause I townread you.

@Dunn maybe Gamma or your partner. Too bad I tr Vedith and yourself.

[The_Jester]

HS-Parama is town imo.

[The_Jester]

Again, I'm not a she, as much as the idea of being lesbian with Mini turns me on.
Regarding my activity- and I hope it's the last time I need to say this cause I'm tired of being a broken record- I work. A lot. Usually 12h a day, sometimes more. Yesterday I've worked for 18h straight. It's not an office job and I can't follow the thread 24/7. The reason why I address posts calling me out first cause I don't have to reread the thread to answer them. I also exclusively post from mobile and it's a chore.
Ok. What's your deal with these stupid readlists, people? They only help scum, I'm pretty sure if you ISO'd me, you'd see who I tr and sr easily.
But okay tl;dr

Human Sequencer

-

Parama

Ser Arthur Dayne

-

inspectorscout

Cerberus v666

-

Nahdia

mhsmith0

-

pieguyn

Gamma Emerald

-

Vedith

Dunnstral

-

Kagami

Shadow_step

-

MariaR

More or less. Levels of how strongly I tr/sr vary but I tried to avoid null reads. I need to re-read some people.

[The_Jester]

Believe what you want, I'm not gonna address your activity arguments anymore.

[The_Jester]

^

[The_Jester]

Gamma has basically scum claimed from his reaction to us leaving.

The only thing that bothers me is I'd imagine scum would try to convince his partner first, in private, instead of acting openly scared like he did.

[The_Jester]

Does town!Gamma ever flail this wildly? I only have one town game with him and he was totally cool being lynched in it.

I mean, we've seen him replace out with no regrets as scum from a game that looked like an easy win for him, so

[The_Jester]

Dog math

[The_Jester]

as far as i can tell:

nothing of interest happened while i slept.

i don't think there's any value to continued posting when we don't have flips, honestly.

ewwwwwww

Nah she's semi-right, we do need flip info

[The_Jester]

VOTE: Gamma

This flip provides most info right now.

Townslip

[The_Jester]

People have linked Mini to scum!Gamma based on their interactions, Vedith just warned her of becoming the next target if Gamma flips scum. There's no interest for her to do what she did, assuming she's Gamma's partner. And since Mini's been scumread based mostly on that pre-flip association, she's clean.

[The_Jester]

I used such an absolute term on purpose to see her reaction in our pt and her being complitely oblivious to the fact of being widely linked to Gamma makes feel good about her.

[The_Jester]

She questioned me about my assesment and stated she thought only Vedith saw her as Gamma's partner.

[The_Jester]

Gamma, it was meant to be an argument for you possibly being town. Not sure if you're playing dumb or obvtowning right now.

[The_Jester]

That's definitely what he meant.

[The_Jester]

Weak reason

[The_Jester]

Let's just hold hands and sing kumbaya

[The_Jester]

I'm fairly certain Mini's town, so unless somebody has a convincing reason to eliminate me, please don't waste everybody's time.

[The_Jester]

Lmao Maria. ♥

<3 ☸

Can we have a threesome?

[The_Jester]

OH NO LOOKS LIKE I JUST OUTED OUR SCUMTEAM

[The_Jester]

Policy lynch this shit asap

[The_Jester]

But my pt with Mini or my scum pt with Mini and Maria?

[The_Jester]

Almost 200

[The_Jester]

C'mon don't keep me waiting. Where is this heading?

[The_Jester]

Yeah let's do the stupid shit Vedith did to spite blind tunnellers choo choo

[The_Jester]

I'm not leaving until everybody's got a vote on somebody

[The_Jester]

How about we just settle this by team battle in jelly
Or not, I'd have to go against Mini and Maria
But then we could call it scum distancing by romancing

[The_Jester]

Voting for NL = scumclaim

[The_Jester]

Because it doesn't help anything and forces town to leave if they wanna have any influence over the game. If we nl, people are gonna argue on the same matters tomorrow and nothing will change, apart from giving scum a free kill.

[The_Jester]

Sure it will. But leaving all power to scum is just bad play

[The_Jester]

I'm pretty sure you've understood me perfectly and you're playing dumb right now

[The_Jester]

Boo for making Mini explain her joke

[The_Jester]

Yeah but now I got you pocketed and you only sheep my reads, remember

[The_Jester]

You can do me too, I'm pretty sclerotic

[The_Jester]

I didn't vote Gamma cause I wasn't 100% sure about him being scum. My scumread on him was mostly meta-based and that's always shaky plus his reaction to Vedith threatening to leave seemed genuinely towny. And I was pretty sure Vedith was town so I tried to look for a scum-scum pair (to no avail).

[The_Jester]

I'd have to re-read so be patient

[The_Jester]

I don't have a vote meta, sometimes I vote often and loosely, sometimes I abstain from being on lynch wagons for the whole game if I feel I'd put my hand to mislynches (see: Surrealism)

[The_Jester]

I don't see the point you're making. Wanna lynch me on account I haven't voted this game?

[The_Jester]

When I'm not sure the target will flip scum, yeah.

[The_Jester]

But Shadow didn't get lynched so I guess it worked.

[The_Jester]

I still don't see your point. You're enforcing your playstyle on me while talking about actions that have already happened and can't be averted. If both Shadow and Gamma were at L-1, I would've voted for Gamma but that situation didn't happen thanks to Vedith.

[The_Jester]

@smith I can't tbh cause that's what I started doing recently after several lolhammers on town and self-hammers. Still, I don't think it's a good idea to form your scumread on me basing on meta, especially that you've never played with me before. The only person here who could read me properly was Vedith, apart from Mini.

[The_Jester]

I can't because I had a break and haven't played many games since then. 2 of them were scum and in others I haven't played optimally.

[The_Jester]

I think you should keep your weird bdsm stuff in your pt

[The_Jester]

Still not sold on Maria/Shadow, though Shadow seems to have disappeared when the heat moved on other pairs.

I'm not no lynching because I'm certain there is scum in kagami/dunn

Is this still valid? How do you feel about Maria currently voting the HS pair?

[The_Jester]

^same with me and mds

[The_Jester]

I'm not planning on AtEing so I guess I'm doomed

[The_Jester]

Nitpicking should be smith's second name

[The_Jester]

Good thinking

[The_Jester]

I got too many townreads, what do

[The_Jester]

So I currently spend my days at work and after that in bed cause I'm sick and can't think at times, it gets worse the later the hour and I get back home pretty late... Gimme time until tomorrow, I'll post my final reads and after that do whatever you want.

[The_Jester]

I'm fairly certain smith's town. Not sure about pie but if smith's indeed town then he'll be a very important asset later on so I'm not lynching there today. I'm also pretty sure Maria's town, Shadow may be too but he won't be as useful as smith so I'll vote there before the deadline. How long do we have?

[The_Jester]

HS don't flatter yourself, I haven't even seen your stupid callout post.

VOTE: Shadow

[The_Jester]

Yeah HS I was trying to be very subtle so you didn't notice but you're just too cunning

[The_Jester]

Hiho. My phone broke down and I've been unable to access the net. I'll be here later today, try to contain your excitement.

[The_Jester]

@Mod please try to find a replacement. There's no way I can catch up in the current state and I'm tired of being a burden.

HS and Mini are locktown for me.

Kagami's town or scum with smith due to her reaction to Maria's fake scumflip:

Smith is scum, look at smith-maria interactions.

It makes zero sense for scum!Kagami to write this about town!smith.

[The_Jester]

And this is my point exactly. She could have made herself look like she was distancing from smith without any danger of getting him incriminated cause she would've known Maria would've flipped town.

[The_Jester]

I'm gonna solve this game, just you wait!

[The_Jester]

SAD if you're gonna blacklist me, just do it instead of making a scene and going full LAMIST.
I'm gonna tell you who's scum today for reals now

[The_Jester]

Ugh earlier today I was pretty confident I had this cracked but now I'm doubting myself again.
I'm here if anybody wants to talk, I'm re-reading Parama's interactions in the meantime.

[The_Jester]

Goddamit girl, let me think things through.
I'm not scumreading smith per se but I think him or Dunn are likely to be scum, I just can't figure out which one

[The_Jester]

And I think all ladies are likely town, SAD prolly too

[The_Jester]

That nick+avi combo must've confused me lol I've been somehow thinking you're gentleman+gentleman the whole time what the fuck

[The_Jester]

Man I don't know I think I like Dunn for town more but he's fooled me before so idk I'm trash

[The_Jester]

Why did Vedith have to leave :/ It would've been so much easier with him here

[The_Jester]

He's been pretty nervous and angry lately, guess he just needed a break.

[The_Jester]

Nah he's pretty good

[The_Jester]

Since we got sidetracked anyway:

My hydra run with Vedith has got to be the most hilarious and pathetic displays in the history of ms.
We got into a game and we got lynched immediately for being a hydra before I could even post anything but an entrance I was so pissed off then but now I'm laughing every time I recall it.
I've spent more time thinking of the hydra name than actually playing. Never touched that acc again.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist.p ... le&u=28513

[The_Jester]

Few interactions with Parama made me suspicious but it's nothing solid really. I think I'm wishing you're scum just so I feel better about myself cause I don't have any real scumreads.
I should've gotten myself lynched instead of obvtown Maria and misrepped Shadow...

[The_Jester]

The only thing I'm cerain of is there's no pair containing 2 scum. Yay for gamebreaking revelations

[The_Jester]

I wanna believe you

[The_Jester]

I've started reading from the very beginning again and I'm on p47 and I'm none the wiser

[The_Jester]

I'm mostly a tone reader and everyone's done a pretty good job at looking convincing one way or another and I just wanna townread everyone. Let's just agree everyone's town and call it game

[The_Jester]

Why are you even talking about who'd you rather lose to, what kind of mindset is this?
We still got few days, I'll try.

[The_Jester]

Me not saying what I got from that doesn't mean I don't have thoughts I'm not ready to out yet. No need to coach me.

[The_Jester]

Smith how many times have you played with scout?

[The_Jester]

Dunn you're funny. Should I townread you for being funny?

[The_Jester]

I don't really wanna see scout/sad suicide right now. I'd rather see smith/pie flip

VOTE: smith/pie

[The_Jester]

Ok I may as well use a coin toss right now
Dunn, have you fooled me again?

[The_Jester]

I'm not scum nor will I have any satisfaction if I win cause it'll be blind luck on my side. What can I say? Should've let Mini leave when she asked me long time ago.

[The_Jester]

I was suspicious of her at the beginning, then I established she's town. Now I'm having my doubts obviously, mostly due to her threatening with leaving but not coming near it actually but if I doubt my only solid townread, what can I be sure of? I think she's town and I think you're town. I wanna think Dunn's town but he's way outta my league and can fool me anytime.

[The_Jester]

And don't talk to me about feeling guilty, I didn't wanna replace out not to overburden my replacement but finally decided it was something I needed done. But nobody wanted to replace in and Mod asked me to stay, so I agreed. I do feel guilty and I am truly sorry but there's nothing I could've really done about irl circumstances.

[The_Jester]

Probably

[The_Jester]

SAD was my strongest tr after Mini.

[The_Jester]

Dunn I can vote you if you want. Would that help?

[The_Jester]

At this point I'd believe anything but I don't think so.

[The_Jester]

If I didn't care, I'd be voting right now

[The_Jester]

Last time recalled, I haven't seen you sitting in my head

[The_Jester]

Ok I've pretty much reached a decision but before I vote

My choices are kagami vedith pieguyn mariar

I'd probably eventually suicide/leave the dance if I ended up with the first 2.

Dunn could you remind me what was your reason to say that?

[The_Jester]

But you've been telling people whole game not to suicide so why that suicide talk?

[The_Jester]

I have

VOTE: sad/scout

Wanted to wait for Mini's feedback but she's absent. I don't think dunn/kagami are scum together so it's either sad/scout or one scum in each pair. This is of course assuming Mini's town but I'm fairly confident that's the case plus it's too late to back off now anyway.

[The_Jester]

Holy,

that Jester vote is opportunistic as hell.

And this line

Wanted to wait for Mini's feedback but she's absent.

Feels so fake.

How the fuck is it opportunistic when I have 1 of 2 choices to make? So it wouldn't be opportunistic if I voted the other pair? And yes, Mini's been gone these last few days so fuck off. I told her who I was gonna vote in our pt beforehand to see her reaction but she just isn't there.

[The_Jester]

Lol this is just fucking bullshit, you only condemn me cause I voted your pair. What was I supposed to do, suicide when I'm sure our pair's T-T so fucking scum win instantly?

[The_Jester]

Also I've been linked to Dunn all this time and we've cast our votes so according to you all power should be in the hands of town. You being scared so much only makes meconfident I made the right choice.

[The_Jester]

@kagami Like if there's scum in each of your pairs, what do they have left apart from crossbussing to distance? Maybe they thought me/mini would be an easy mislynch push regardless, how should I know

@sad so you're sure there's scum between dunn and kagami. That means only one of me/mini can be scum in your eyes. Which one?

[The_Jester]

@The_Jester why were you still in this game though you should've replaced out for serious

I did try to replace out but nobody wanted to replace in and Mod asked me to stay.

Please don't solely blame me for this loss. While I admit I fell behind and didn't have time nor motivation to get fully back, my reads were mostly correct. I was right about Kagami, HS, Mini, Vedith, Maria and Shadow, Cerb (after my initial doubts) and even Gamma whom voting for I've abstained. I did screw up with smith/pie but at this point paranoia kicked in and it didn't help they scrutinized me so much. I think people put too much weight on activity (worth noting I was more active in our pt with Mini which also counts as part of the game). And yes, I may have not been that useful in leading town the correct path but it was partly due to people discrediting me early on (Parama, HS) and others ignoring me later on due to confirmation bias.

[The_Jester]

All of them! But if you decide to read ours, keep in mind it was all game talk, at times fueled by large amounts of salt so we don't really

hate

you (or others )

[The_Jester]

And tbh some of that stuff is pretty intimate so maybe don't read it lol

[The_Jester]

(yeah I know that prohibition is the best encouragment)

[The_Jester]

Yeah he's a natural