Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

[pieguyn]

the last town game I had with Wisdom I had a zmuffin who shared most of my reads and did most of the legwork that game, including most of the Wisdom handling. this game I actually have to do the Wisdom handling myself and I just can't.

the last scum game I had vs Wisdom I mislynched him on D1, sooo more likely than not I wouldn't be scared of him here even if it'd be an inconvenience if he got one or more reads right.

[Wisdom]

It's based on my ideas of game balance.

i dont find that particularly convincing

[Wisdom]

like, dont forget this is a troll game

reasoning like "all town neighborhood is not likely" have no place here

I mean, GIF used an all scum neighborhood in a game and it wasnt a troll game

[pieguyn]

"don't forget this is a troll game"
"Varsoon is town because there's no reason there'd be a scum faith healer."

advance or abscond, Wisdom.

[Wisdom]

bus or perish, pieguyn

you don't have my info, stop trying to make me look like a fool

[pieguyn]

your info suggests that Varsoon true claimed faith healer. him being a faith healer does not make him town. at this point, you have admitted that this is likely a troll setup, so there is no way you would not have seen that.

I legit can't even tell if you seriously believe what you're writing or if you've realized you're wrong but continue to push it anyway because you don't want to admit it. and no, there is no way you would have let it drag on this long if you had anything that actually confirmed his alignment.

[Wisdom]

your info suggests that Varsoon true claimed faith healer.

and that a scum faith healer isnt likely.
that's based on info, not opinion.

[pieguyn]

if you're a faith healer, then no, that still doesn't make Varsoon town.

you need to clarify this because 1. this is way different from what you said when you first said you had info, and 2. there's nothing that I can think of that would explain how you're acting unless either it is because of the above, which still doesn't make Varsoon town, or if GIF did something completely weird that goes beyond anything I'd expect he'd do in this setup.

before anyone watching this goes "lol roles" and tries to interfere, btw, just don't. I would actually call for a massclaim at this point if I didn't think it'd only serve to drag out this god-awful day phase, but either way, I have seen way too many games get fucked by people who thought roles were all-important in some way that they aren't and I'm not letting something like that go uncontested unless I'm sure it's correct.

[pieguyn]

IMO lynch drealz today, then massclaim and find out whether this means anything or not tomorrow; if it doesn't, same position we're in now, if it *does* then at that point there would be huge benefit to making it unambiguous.

[Wisdom]

nope. We're lynching cakez and then you and aero after he flips scum.

[pieguyn]

you're probably the last person who 2108 was directed to, for the record.

[pisskop]

pie questioned my apparent insight into her play but had no response.

why did she ask a question whose answer was so obvious?

[drealmerz7]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU PPLS WTF PLAY THE GAME

[Wisdom]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU PPLS WTF PLAY THE GAME

your vote is still not on cakez so you have no right to say this

[drealmerz7]

I'm talking to the players whose opinions matter

[pisskop]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU PPLS WTF PLAY THE GAME

your vote is still not on cakez so you have no right to say this

[SirCakez]

"info that faith healer is probably not a fakeclaim" wow that tells us so much!!! No idea why ANYONE would be confused by that.

if dreal/varsoon are v/v then cakey probably a wolf

that's what I said like...a long long time ago

when this all started

then fucking vote cakez

i think dreal is a wolf. get cakey to L-1 and restate the case and maybe I'll hammer.

This is a contradiction. You think I'm scum only if dreal/varsoon is TvT, and you think dreal is scum, but you would hammer me?
???

I never said I think you're a wolf ONLY if dreal/varsoon are v/v. I thought that post looked like what a wolf might say about v/v wagons. If one is a wolf then I don't know what it says about your alignment.
EBWOP

Ah ok
I thought it was a "only if" scenario

Also, I REALLY suspect someone in Varsoon's hood is scum. With my confidence in Wisdom, that leaves pisskop or dwlee.

have you read any of my posts along the lines of e.g. 2074 or 2069 (there were also a few posts I made earlier in the game to this effect)?

because the thing is, for a whole lot of different reasons, what Wisdom is saying here doesn't actually make Varsoon town, and you should actually stop, step back, and think about the logic behind it and realize that it doesn't confirm him as town instead of just setting it aside because "you have confidence in Wisdom". Wisdom is not thinking objectively; he has based his entire view of the game off of the notion that me and Cakez are scum and thinks that doing anything in his power to shut me out is beneficial, and he has no counterargument to anything I've written in either of those posts - and when I point this out, he just calls it manipulative because he refuses to consider anything outside of me and Cakez being scum and sees me making correct arguments as me-scum attempting to "manipulate" people over to my point of view.

I imagine he's going to walk in here and claim I'm "discrediting", but that is what's going on here and the key point is that you need to think and form your own conclusions on this.

Also this is super accurate
It's fucking stupid because knowing Wisdom he's just going to go "but he was so scummy!!!!" after I flip town and then keep tunneling town like a moron.

And he's either going to call this discrediting, say "can we lynch this yet?", say "vote this pls", or pretend I didn't make the post, which is hilarious and also sad.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Dwlee
I will leave varsoon alone for today based on the "info"

[Wisdom]

except you're not town and the whole point you bring this up is to downplay my scumhunting ability and make people not listen to me

[SirCakez]

Yes when town is being tunneled that's generally what they do to the people tunneling them

Unless you think I should just sit back and go "guys listen to Wisdom and mislynch me"

[Nahdia]

{dwlee, drealz, SirCakez}

i'll vote in this pool today.

[Wisdom]

Yes when town is being tunneled that's generally what they do to the people tunneling them

Unless you think I should just sit back and go "guys listen to Wisdom and mislynch me"

so basically you're trying to say what town would say

[Wisdom]

but newsflash, town doesn't do that

town plays like town and people see that they are town for their play

[Gamma Emerald]

I have formed my own conclusions. Wisdom is town and Varsoon is town.

[beeboy]

VOTE: drealz