Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[Nahdia]

@Nahdia:

"A" Miller. As opposed to "THE" Miller version used as Shiro's modifier in this very game. "A" is a GENERAL question, and the answer is 100% correct. The standard Miller role does NOT return a guilty to a Gunsmith or a Psychologist.

You know what? When I finally start modding my own games (and I mean the games in which I create the setup, not use standard setups) I will be sure to invite you to them. You might find it interesting because I'm sure I won't be using "the wiki" as my sole reference. Instead, my own "touch" will be included in the ROLE PMS I send out.

so you actually think

that skullduggery

used a different version of miller when answering narna's question.

jesus fucking christ.

Narna, ask Skullduggery what your result would be if you targeted someone with Shiro's role, please.

[Not Chara]

my god. you have to be specific when speaking to Skullduggery. very. specific. i've been told now that i really have no way of knowing whether i had been roleblocked or if there was just no result to get. meaning test roleblocks on me are rather useless.

as was most of today's discussion. the way investigations are being resolved with roleblocks is explicitly non-normal in this setup.

i'm taking a break from night actions. hopefully someone was given interesting alignment info from reactions to this regardless.

[Not Chara]

sorry. i must have asked in the wrong way, and i asked again in a different way earlier just to be sure.

[Narna]

I love you guys

[Nahdia]

Fucking hell. Parsing all this information is seriously so fucking frustrating.

VOTE: BigYoshiFan

[BigYoshiFan]

Where the fuck did that come from?

[Nahdia]

If you'd been reading me you'd know?

[BigYoshiFan]

Ffs just tell me. I'm not reading through 10 pages of debate over what miller means.

[Nahdia]

You're on the short list, BYF.

[MathBlade]

@BYF I was in a hurry when I wrote that. I meant that I had answered your question and wanted to see what you thought about Maxous and Nahdia.

[Accountant]

Do millers have passive guilt in skullduggery's other games?

Skull is known to use variants and tailored roles. In my last game modded by him I was a COWARDLY HIDER. Hiders are weak (that's the "normal") meaning they DIE if they target scum. My role in that game didn't. Instead it got RB'd (i.e. instead of hiding I stayed at home, which made me available for NKs and/or investigations/protections and what not.)

If you ask anyone "would a Hider die if they targeted scum" the answer will always be YES. That IS the NORMAL role though.

Btw, it took me jus about the same effort there to explain as it is in here. It was MY OWN ROLE, yet people kept trying to interpret it their own way! I KNEW what my PM said. Skull makes his role PMs abundantly clear, and if you still got questions you can always ask him and he will explain.

So, if we're talking about how Shiro's specific role in this game worked there's no one better than Shiro to explain it, and he did.

you cannot be seriously

[Skullduggery]

Day 5, Vote Count #7

Current Vote Count:

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SirCakez

(0)

Giovanni il Pellegrino

(1)

Maxous -- Accountant

(0)

MathBlade

(0)

PeregrineV

(0)

Nahdia

(1)

Accountant -- Almost50

(0)

Not Chara

(0)

Ankamius

(1)

BigYoshiFan -- Nahdia

(2)

Narna -- SirCakez, Maxous

(2)

Almost50 -- Narna, BigYoshiFan

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Pine

(0)

massive

Not Voting:

PeregrineV, Ankamius, massive, Pine, Not Chara, Giovanni il Pellegrino, MathBlade

With 14 votes available, it takes 8 votes to hammer.

Day 5 Will End on Wednesday, December 14th, at 10 p.m. Eastern Time
Countdown: (expired on 2016-12-14 22:00:00)

[BigYoshiFan]

Because Maxous was a claimed roleblocker N3 someone had to be the fall person.

At this point one of Nahdia or Maxous are confirmed scum. The only way this is not the case is if scum also knew Maxous was a roleblocker and Nahdia wasn't going to act as Nahdia's power is more powerful. The only way nonscum Nahdia would be known to not act is if she was in the hood as it wasn't announced publically to what I could find. This makes Nahdia scum which is a direct contradiction of assume one or the other not scum.

Because Maxous's action N3 failed and Nahdia didn't act.

So there are either three roleblockers for both to be town
Or scum have multiple "make this action fail powers"
Or one of them is scum and lying.

Uhmmmmm. I think it is most likely a scum's "make this action fail powers" to be the cause. I honestly don't know what to make of this; they are both null reads to me too. Any other information you have, such as other discrepancies that I didn't see?

[MathBlade]

Something is clear to me here. We have eleven days and have quick lynched multiple times. This Narna lynch resistance and push both feel equally wrong. It almost looks as if people don't want to scumhunt and want to line up the easy shot.

For a moment ignore how you feel about the guilty on Shiro. Read Narna. If you think Narna is scum who are their partners. Town? Who is scum.

Because the more we go on this miller treadmill the more people don't have to put down honest to God reads. I think we are very close to having to name an entire fucking team here so stop running the goddamn mill and start posting reads.

In fact everyone I want your top two scumreads (and Narna if you scumread them doesn't count here) or a theory similar to mine where if X is town then Y is scum and Z is scum. The point is people should be making concrete stances on things. Not some PR debacle.

[MathBlade]

Because Maxous was a claimed roleblocker N3 someone had to be the fall person.

At this point one of Nahdia or Maxous are confirmed scum. The only way this is not the case is if scum also knew Maxous was a roleblocker and Nahdia wasn't going to act as Nahdia's power is more powerful. The only way nonscum Nahdia would be known to not act is if she was in the hood as it wasn't announced publically to what I could find. This makes Nahdia scum which is a direct contradiction of assume one or the other not scum.

Because Maxous's action N3 failed and Nahdia didn't act.

So there are either three roleblockers for both to be town
Or scum have multiple "make this action fail powers"
Or one of them is scum and lying.

Uhmmmmm. I think it is most likely a scum's "make this action fail powers" to be the cause. I honestly don't know what to make of this; they are both null reads to me too. Any other information you have, such as other discrepancies that I didn't see?

Read my ISO and tell me what you think of it. I replaced in at the same point as you. Read posts and share thoughts. Replacing in I can understand not wanting to read 200 pages but surely you must have some thoughts since replace in other than null?

[Pine]

I'm still here, it's just that catching up to this game is a daunting task, and I've had a busy couple of days. I have the rest of the day off though.

[BigYoshiFan]

Alright, give me a second. For now, I can say I townread Narna and think they are being used as lynchbait (or was used). Everyone on Narna is scummier to me for that (Sircakez and Maxous)
Also, I feel your frustration. Let me just try to process everything you're saying, expect some questions on clarification.

[MathBlade]

And if you absolutely must talk about Narna after answering my prompt answer this:

Do you think Narna is a liar? Town derp? Or Framed? And why.

[BigYoshiFan]

Does someone have a guilty on Narna? Or are you saying Shiro was framed when Narna checked them?

[BigYoshiFan]

I targeted Narna, getting an "investigative action" result.

Narna claimed to have investigated someone that same night.

Unless the bus driver switched me to another investigative role that targets, there were not switching shenanigans present.

This is what Nahdia is trying to say, I think.

Was this action on Night 3?

[BigYoshiFan]

Wait, I'm dumb, I know. Disregard that post.

[BigYoshiFan]

Narna cleared massive on Night 2 and guiltied Shiro Night 3? What about Nights 1 and 4?
Who did Nahdia jail Night 4?

[Nahdia]

Narna didnt submit night 1 and cleared me night 4.
I jailed Maxous night 4.

[BigYoshiFan]

Narna didnt submit night 1 and cleared me night 4.
I jailed Maxous night 4.

Did your jail on Maxous work, if not, how do you know?

[MathBlade]

Does someone have a guilty on Narna? Or are you saying Shiro was framed when Narna checked them?

Narna claimed Shiro was a killer.
Shiro flipped town miller.

What I am saying is you need to read and present your thoughts.

Stop asking anyone questions til you post unique thoughts. I may be loud and I may be vocal but I came to play mafia and that requires discussion of more than sheepage.

Post your thoughts. I have been. Your turn to make your slot useful and not make me wish I had infinite vig shots.