In post 6836, Nahdia wrote:@mod As he flipped, is Shiro's "miller" modifier a standard miller or did his miller modify his slot in ways a standard miller wouldn't? I only ask since all we're given is the role name. I'm hoping you can answer this publicly since it's a question anyone could conceivably ask and get a proper answer for.
Except for the last sentence, that's what I asked Skull privately.
See? THIS phrasing is malfunctional, Nahdia. You ask about "normal"? You get the wiki, in which there's NO INDICATION that a Miller does NOT return a guilty to a Gunsmith.
I'll quote:"A Miller that knows they are a Miller and flips as such is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. A Miller returns a guilty result if investigated by a Cop, "Miller" if investigated by a Role Cop, and "non-Vanilla" to a Vanilla Cop."
Now this phrasing (of the wiki) has two parts:
1- For a Miller to be considered "normal" they need to know about it and flip as such. THAT'S IT. That's the CONDITION for a Miller to be considered NORMAL on MS.
2- Standard Millers return Guilty to Cop, Miller to Role Cop and non-Vanilla to a Vanilla Cop. That's a discription, btw, not a "condition".
Now look at the section above (in that same wiki page), and I quote: "Some moderators take the "passive guilt" concept to the point where Millers also investigate unfavorably to other roles (i.e. Gunsmith). Alternatively, specialized Millers can be created specifically for investigative roles other than Cop."
Does it say hat this isn't normal? No, so Shiro's role did act normally within the definition of a normal Miller on this site.
Does the earlier quote EXCLUDE such case from being normal? No, it doesn't. It just doesn't address the situation at all.
So, a NORMAL Miller would return a guilty to a Cop, a Not Vanilla to a Vanilla Cop, and Miller to a Role Cop, but sill "could" return unfavourable results to other special investigative roles such as a Gunsmith.
Now who KNEW how the PM was worded, and thus didn't need to go in circles asking the question in multiple tongues?? Shiro did! He knew his role returned results as if he was Mafia-aligned. If one was Mafia what would they return to Narna's check "normally"? They will return an "able to kill" result. What's the difference between Narna's Role and a Gunsmith?? A Mafia Doctor (for instance) would return a negative result to a GS, but should return a positive result to Narna, bc they ARE able to kill even if they're not actually carrying a gun.
Now let's stop going around and around in circles, and just take THE FLIPPED TOWNIES WORD FOR HIS OWN ROLE!
