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[karnos]

If Lowell is scum, Saru is town. There is no way Lowell would put in the effort to get Saru lynched over Thor if Saru was also a scum partner.

PenguinPower (3) - Saru, Lowell, Nero Cain (L-2!)

So this wagon is either 2 scum + Town!Saru, or... the town!Nero scenario might be true. I still think Nero is probably scum, but this has been a fun exercise and I think I might prefer a Lowell lynch today if others agree.

Just a reminder of an old point of mine. If we do lynch Lowell, and he comes up scum, that makes Saru town in my eyes. Which means it is Lowell & PP.

[PenguinPower]

What are you referring to when you say Lowell put in the effort to get Saru lynched?

[Foxbird]

Votecount 5.6

Lowell

(1) - PenguinPower

PenguinPower

(1) - Lowell

Not Voting

(4) - MathBlade, bji, Saru, karnos

With

6

players eligible to vote, it’s

4

to lynch!

Day 5 will end in

(expired on 2016-12-08 06:17:41).

Mod Notes:

None!

[karnos]

What are you referring to when you say Lowell put in the effort to get Saru lynched?

It's all right here.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8532317

This was from before Nero flip, so I was still thinking Nero was probably scum, but the Thor associations still apply.

[PenguinPower]

Yeah. I'm not seeing it. If it's Saru/Lowell/Thor and Saru and Thor were up on the chopping block, and we know that Thor was a PR, then why wouldn't scum!Lowell push for Saru?

[karnos]

Yeah. I'm not seeing it. If it's Saru/Lowell/Thor and Saru and Thor were up on the chopping block, and we know that Thor was a PR, then why wouldn't scum!Lowell push for Saru?

Because Nero was another viable wagon, but Lowell stuck to voting Saru.

[PenguinPower]

Ok...I re-read and I only see Lowell voting Saru twice this whole game. First time he put Saru at L-1 when the counterwagon was FA. Second time, he parked the first vote on Saru when there was one vote on Nero and one on arona. So....what are you talking about? All his "effort" to get Saru lynched was weak pushing, and he used the dissolving of the Saru wagon D1 to push for - what we later learn was the IC - lynch.

I've bussed my scumbuddy a lot harder than that in previous games. So...I'm not seeing how it eliminates the possibility.

[MathBlade]

I said I hammers yesterday after scum attempted to mislynch me.

I should ihave been dead and leaving the game to bji.

The game stalling is not on me. Two pages of discussion without me. Discussion is happening and I don't plan on stopping it. When everyone votes they are ready for day to end it will. Not sooner.

[PenguinPower]

<----ready for the day to end.

Everything I have left to discuss is dependent on a scum!Lowell flip, so...yeah. Let's get to it.

[bji]

VOTE: Lowell

No offense Math, but just sitting around waiting for you to wait for other people to do something is really boring me.

[Saru]

Penguin, you're really cute when you try to associate me and Lowell. Lowell and I have been calling each other scum since D2, and he attacked me D2 and brought back up the fact that I wasn't lynched D1. No scum motivation in doing such a thing. Like, there was no need for a bus at that point in time, as the attention was off me and no point in bringing it back, especially negatively. In fact, all of D2, I spent my time attacking Thor and Lowell and trying to get them lynched. My two supposed partners, who I was offering as sacrificial lamb for...what reason now? Oh yeah, there is none. No motivation in that.

VOTE: Thor665 but this can go to Lowell if he keeps up the shit play.

^^^Pro bussing, amirite!?
Funny enough, the associations between Lowell and Penguin are clear-cut. They have 0 interactions with each other (no seriously, ISO both of them, it's crazy)...until today. Who would have thunk it?

And the beauty in all that, is that they're the only two people alive in the game who never voted Tracer/Thor and Penguin only votes Thor when he was confirmed, otherwise never really interacting much with him, instead, defending him TWICE, first from nero and then from bji. Penguin only calls Lowell scum today, and that too, AFTER Math wants him dead, alongside everyone else. Again, if you can't save your partner, next best thing is to lynch him and hope for the best. That's Penguin strategy right now.

A wise man (rb) once told me to look for associations in the scum that are dead, not the ones you suspect might be. Given the scum!Thor flip, I couldn't possibly be scum, given the lengths I went to, to get him lynched. But Penguin will never mention Thor, because he knows if he does, then me being scum is out of the picture. Which makes more sense as scum: you bus your encryptor three days in a row (apparently what I was doing), or you defend your encryptor three days in a row (what Penguin actually did)? Not hard to figure out.

Anyways, let's not delay shit anymore. I'm getting bored. Lowell needs to go and Penguin can go after.
VOTE: Lowell

[MathBlade]

Sigh it is posts like the one that I feel Saru genuinely believes but I think back on 1800 where I was trying so damn hard to bus Karnos for the creds.

The one thing I am sure of is bji town. Other than that my order has changed from Penguin/Saru/Karnos for the last.

Let me see if that is hammering range.

[PenguinPower]

I am really cute. But in keeping with my vow, I'm not responding to your crap. At least not today...kinda have to tomorrow. Peace, MM.

- The Really Cute Penguin

[PenguinPower]

It is.

[PenguinPower]

gogogogogo

[MathBlade]

Stove if I am wrong forgive me.

VOTE: Lowell

If Lowell is town it is GG but Saru+Karnos would be it at that point but I can't in good conscience assume Lowell is town.

[PenguinPower]

THANK GOD!

[PenguinPower]

I'm glad we finally got through this day.

[MathBlade]

So is there a day 6?

[MathBlade]

If Lowell is scum it is Penguin/Saru/Karnos bji is town

[PenguinPower]

Nope.

[MathBlade]

Nope.

Damn it who were you scum with?

[Foxbird]

Votecount 5.7 - FINAL!

Lowell

(4) - PenguinPower, bji, Saru, MathBlade

(LYNCH!)

PenguinPower

(1) - Lowell

Not Voting

(1) - karnos

With

6

players eligible to vote, it’s

4

to lynch!

Day 5 will end in

(expired on 2016-12-08 06:17:41).

Mod Notes:

None!

[Foxbird]

Lowell has been lynched.

He was a

Mafia Goon

.

_ _ _

It is now Night 5.

Night actions are due in

(expired on 2016-12-04 16:51:25)

.

[Foxbird]

If everyone alive messages me to accelerate the night, I will reopen the thread as soon as the last PM comes in.