California Trilogy - Dantès in Fresno (Game Over!)

[Setael]

If Sarc agreed with DP and posted a condorcet matching his like you did, I think I would've had a different reaction. Rather than jumping to the conclusion that he and DP are scum buddies like I did with you, I think I'd have looked back on my play to see what made someone I think is very likely town suspect a link that doesn't exist. And then I'd try to show them where they're wrong. I really don't think Sarc would do that though, for the same reasons I thought you looked scummy for doing it. DP very likely could be scum, so I don't see townies blindly following her logic (which is what your vote looked like).

[Mr. Grey]

Deadline:

Approximately 37 hours from this post.

Vote Count:

4 to lynch.

Silent Lee: 3 (Dragon Phoenix, Gaspar, Talitha)
Dragon Phoenix: 2 (Setael, Silent Lee)

Current Condorcet Winner:

Silent Lee

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[Sarcastro]

Why don't you think I would agree with DP's list, Setael?

I think I agree with DP's condorcet pretty much exactly, in fact, with DP himself being inserted between IH and Gaspar. Of course, that might change if Silent Lee isn't scum. In any case I'm kind of sympathetic to the whole "let's kill Silent Lee" idea.

I'm not going to hammer just yet, since we've still got about a day. If nobody has a problem with it, though, I'll do so.

[IH]

zomg quick check in to have posted in 72 hours so I don't get replaced while reviewing the last few pages.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Not much to discuss further as far as I am concerned, so just a routine 25 words or more message to get me some space for the coming days(s) in order not to get out.

[IH]

Why is Silent Lee scum again?

Why is Talitha cleared? I don't really like DP buddying with her.

huh I missed SL's and Talitha's claim. Going back to look at em.

Kay townie and limited hider. DP is also a limited hider..... one of them is probably scum, though I think they're possibly both telling the truth.

I'd say it's DP. I feel it would make more sense for scum to have a set number of times to hide, while SL just can't do it twice in a row. Just feels more like a scum action.

so, atm...

unvote, vote:DP

, Talitha, Setael, SilentLee, Gaspar, Sarcastro

[IH]

EBWOP:This is also based partly on my speculations from earlier where I thought DP could be scum with just about anyone

[Sarcastro]

We already have one player who can only use a power a set number of times, IH. DP's claim seems more plausible.

[Gaspar]

Now see, if I were merely going for the win and thought DP was town, I'd be jumping ship right now and going for a quicklynch in endgame (assuming Sarc doesn't block someone from making a kill tonight). Needless to say, I'm not.

It's tempting, though, not gonna lie. But I hate Survivor roles so much that I'd really like to shift the meta towards them being an asset to towns, as opposed to a threat. If I lose because of it, whatever -- I'll take the moral victory of having figured out the scums (kinda like how I was willing to throw the personal victory in LO1 in favor of actually lynching scums on D4... hopefully this works out the same).

[Setael]

@Sarcastro: I see the error in my assumption. Because I know DP is wrong about a SilentLee/Me connection I was assuming everyone I think is Town would disagree with it.

Not much to discuss further as far as I am concerned

If you were town, you'd see a lot to discuss and you'd be willing to defend yourself. This statement was a major scumtell imo - refusing to give any content at all in order to avoid looking scummy right before deadline. Much safer to stay quiet and hope you get your Silent Lee mislynch.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Setael, if you are town, you are one of the worst I have ever seen. But I am still betting you are scum.

There was nothing to defend against - the two voted most likely scum by DP were the ones voting for DP. Well, duh. There goes your argument into thin air - as usual.

Things change now that IH has added his vote. But there is still not that much to argue about. The claims are out there in the open, and it is a matter of making up your mind whose claims are the most likely ones. I have made up my mind.

[Silent Lee]

OK, yeah, Gaspar's "neutral" claim is baloney. He'd hammer to help fulfill his win condition but he thinks, what, that Setael, IH and I are scum voting for DP?

Let's think this through... I'm pretty sure DP is a townie or else he'd have concocted a better claim. He's not playing this like a fake counterclaim. So Gaspar gets to decide whether to be RESPONSIBLE for a lynch of a townie or just an innocent bystander while a townie gets lynched.

The neutral wouldn't care. They'd hammer the townie, 5 would remain tomorrow, and very likely the game would be over and the neutral would win. If Gaspar was REALLY a neutral, he'd be worried about getting NKed tonight for trying to help out the town.

Not buying it. It's probably too late to wagon Gaspar but when I come up town in a few hours, I've gotten my "told you so" on the record. I highly recommend you guys follow this train of logic and we axe Gaspar NOW.

[IH]

SL, the scum won't kill Gaspar, because he'd be more likely to hammer in Lylo. With DGB dead, it's no longer lylo.

Sarc, who had limited abilities?

[Sarcastro]

I am a two-shot roleblocker (I lock people in my cell).

[Setael]

Setael, if you are town, you are one of the worst I have ever seen.

Wow. That's a pretty bold statement. Is this just because I was wrong about Zindie? You have 3 people who think you're scum (not ALL of which can be scum btw) and you STILL refuse to do anything helpful like... give us a reason to think you're not scum.

I finally had a chance to look back at the wagons Zindie survived, though I didn't have time to be as thorough as I'd like. I'm posting all the condorcets that matter so others can glean from it who have more time than I do.

[quote-"Post 1482 DP (72 hrs from deadline)"]Vote MrBuddyLee, Sarcastro, [Cogito Ergo Sum, Pooky], [Logisticus, Gaspar, Tamuz, Zindaras], [IH, Talitha], Foolinc, DP, no lynch[/quote]

Vote: Talitha, MBL, DP, Saetel, [Pooky, Tamuz] [IH, logicticus, Zindaras], [Foolinc, Sarcastro], No Lynch, Gaspar

Vote: No Lynch, [Talitha, MrBuddyLee, logicticus, IH], [Sarcastro, Gaspar, Tamuz, Dragon Phoenix], PookyTheMagicalBear, Setael, foolinc, Zindaras

vote: Gaspar, logisticus, Sarcastro, MrBuddyLee, Tamuz

1505 & 1506 Gaspar makes good arguments against Zindie for no lynch vote but then condorcet is: Vote: MrBuddyLee Talitha, Zindaras, [DP, Saetel], [Pooky, Tamuz] [IH, logicticus], [Foolinc, Sarcastro], No Lynch, Gaspar

Vote MrBuddyLee, [Sarcastro, Seteal/Cogito Ergo Sum], Pooky, [Logisticus, Gaspar, Tamuz, Zindaras], [IH, Talitha], Foolinc, DP, no lynch

vote: IH, DP, Tamuz, Pooky, [everyone else], no lynch, setael

Vote: MrBuddyLee, [Talitha, IH], [Sarcastro, Gaspar, Tamuz, Dragon Phoenix], PookyTheMagicalBear, Setael, No Lynch, foolinc, Zindaras, logicticus

Vote MrBuddyLee, [Sarcastro, Seteal/Cogito Ergo Sum], Pooky, [Gaspar, Tamuz, Zindaras], [IH, Talitha], Foolinc, Logisticus, DP, no lynch

="1539 Zindie"Vote: Sarcastro, MrBuddyLee, [Talitha, IH], [Gaspar, Tamuz, Dragon Phoenix], PookyTheMagicalBear, Setael, No Lynch, foolinc, Zindaras, logicticus

Tries to get Sarc lynched at the last minute.

Well, that was interesting. Question to Zindaras - what the *** was that? Yeah, how about we don't try to lynch people at the last second before they're even given the opportunity to claim? I know it sounds a little crazy, but I really think it could work.

Sarc is confirmed townie by virtue of zindie trying to kill him here (besides the daykill which already confirmed him)

1559 Gaspar’s post after that no lynch really makes he and Zindie look linked. Distances with “I still want Zindie to explain why he felt his earlier fence-sitting was justifiable. Consciously choosing not to try to contribute to a lynch is something I cannot comprehend, and wishy-washiness/indecision is definitely a scumtell in my book, whether you hide it or flaunt it.” But then votes TSS. Doesn’t bring it up again right away.

Vote: the silent speaker, Zindaras, Talitha, Foolinc, DP, Saetel, [Pooky, Tamuz], [IH, Sarcastro], No Lynch, Gaspar

Vote: the silent speaker, Zindaras, DP, Talitha, Sarcastro, Foolinc, Saetel, Pooky, IH, No Lynch, Gaspar

1608 Talitha theorizes that Gaspar is bussing TSS

vote: Gaspar, Silent Lee

Vote:Setael, SBL, DP, Talitha, Sarc

Vote Sarcastro, Setael, Pooky, [IH, Silent Lee], [Gaspar, Zindaras, Talitha], Foolinc

1662 DP still trying to get foolinc lynched

Come to think of it, I am not buying the mafia role blocker theory, unless someone can convince me otherwise; In every game I have been in with role blockers (pro or anti town), a role blocked player was informed that his/her nightly action did not go through.

So, is the discussion dying down again and are we heading for another pathetic no-lynch? We are really handing the scum this game on a silver platter. Anyone not voting yet, comit to someone!

I said this at the time, and I'll say it again. I think this statement was SO scummy. Bad acting, basically.

I'd give 85% that the remaining scums are among [Tally, DP, Zindaras, SiLee]. Accordingly:
Unvote
Vote: Zindaras, [Tally, DP, SilentLee], [Pooky, IH], [Sarc, Saetel, foolinc], No Lynch, Gaspar

vote: Pooky, Gaspar, Silent Lee, Foolinc, Sarcastro, Zindaras, IH, Setael, Dragon Phoenix

I would obviously prefer a Sarcastro or Setael lynch, but I can live with a Pooky bandwagon. If that is the way the wind will blow today, I will hop on.

All 3 would've been mislynches...

1689 Gaspar makes case against Talitha (re: interactions with Thesp)

Vote: Zindaras, Talitha, DragonPhoenix, SilentLee, [foolinc, IH, Pooky, Sarcastro, Setael], No Lynch, Gaspar

Gaspar starts seriously pushing for a Zindie lynch anymore. Likely bussing.

I don't sense any real scum vibe from Zindaras - except that I am beginning to become a bit sceptical with respect to his passiveness as well. Silent Lee and Zindaras are STILL not on the voting board, and that is just simply bad, whether you are town or scum. Since no-one is wanting to follow my Sarcastro lead, and a switch to my #2 suspect is hardly better, I will probably switch to Pooky or Zindaras if he does not contribute more. I will have a re-read of today's happenings first.

This post seals it for me. When DP just called me a bad townie, I figured it was because I was wrong about Zindaras. And yet he said this. He said I was "instrumental" in keeping zindie from getting lynched, and yet he made this post?

Vote: Talitha, DP, [Pooky, Gaspar], Setael, [Zindaras, Sarc], IH, foolinc, no lynch, me

I prefer a Pooky lynch clearly over a Zindaras lynch, but will switch to Zindaras before the deadline if that's what it takes to get as lynch. So:

Unvote Sarcastro
Vote Pooky, Sarcastro, Setael, Silent Lee, IH, [Gaspar, Zindaras, Talitha], Foolinc, DP, No lynch

This is scum creating insurance for later. Very possible he had no intention of switching vote to Zindaras and was actually "instrumental" in Pooky lynch.

vote: Pooky, Gaspar, [Silent Lee, Foolinc, Sarcastro], Zindaras, IH, Setael, Dragon Phoenix, No lynch, Talitha

vote: Pooky, DP, IH

unvote, vote:Zindaras, DP, Setael, Talitha, Sarcastro

Vote: Gaspar, Silent Lee, [IH, Sarcastro, Talitha], Pooky, Dragon Phoenix, No Lynch, foolinc

[quote-"1756 Zindie (POOKY HAMMER)"]Vote: Pooky, Gaspar, Silent Lee, [IH, Sarcastro, Talitha], Dragon Phoenix, No Lynch, foolinc[/quote]

I also want Setael to unvote simply on the basis that we're at LyLo, and she shouldn't be rushing into a decision if she's town.

This statement really makes gaspar look like he knows I’m town. Otherwise he’d have called this as a scumtell instead of saying it this way.

DP then lurked through the beginning of the day and has given basically one liners since then. I think gaspar and DP are both scum, actually. I'd happily lynch either of them. After the reread, I actually think Talitha is town so I'm hoping she has time to look over these condorcets and see that her vote should be on DP.

[Talitha]

just logged in to:

1) not lynch DP
2) say that it's Very Important that we do lynch SOMEONE today
3) post 25 words

anyone have any idea what the condorcet is doing right now?

[Sarcastro]

Eh, whatever.

Vote: Silent Lee

[Talitha]

Gaspar not hammering DP does make me a little nervous, I have to admit. I also fully expected IH to come in and hammer Silent Lee. That is making me nervous too.


Preview edit: Oh, ha! I forgort Sarc hadn't voted yet.
I am relieved. But still nervous.

[Mr. Grey]

Final Vote Count:

4 to lynch.

Silent Lee: 4 (Dragon Phoenix, Gaspar, Sarcastro, Talitha)

Dragon Phoenix: 3 (IH, Setael, Silent Lee)

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[Mr. Grey]

Nasty Hangover

The sun is still well above the horizon when the guests reach a decision, the number needed for a majority reduced by the unexpected display of violence earlier in the day.

As they drag Silent Lee to the lynching tree, he bursts into tears.

"Alright! Alright! I admit it! I'm one of them! I didn't mean to cause any harm. I was drunk! It was all their idea!"

The guests hesitate, perhaps thinking to question Silent Lee, convincing him to strike a plea bargain to lessen his "sentence" and rat out any remaining partners. They don't have time for this, however. An eerie disembodied voice appears, growing louder as it approaches from the house.

"Sinner! You will pay for your sins! Drunk? He deserves to be cast into hell; so that divine justice never stands in the way, it makes no objection against God's using his power at any moment to destroy them. Yea, on the contrary, justice calls aloud for an infinite punishment of their sins..."

The guests look around for the source of the voice, but nothing is there to be seen. The noose is placed around Silent Lee's neck by an invisible hand, and before the guests can do anything to prevent it he is dangling in the wind.

Mr. Grey runs out, wearing something on his back and holding something that looks like a gun or a hose. He aims it in the general direction of the ranting voice and presses something, firing a bright stream. There is a scream and the voice trails off, being sucked into the machine.

Mr. Grey sighs, taking the contraption off and handing it to Keira.

"Sorry about that. Somebody... I won't name any names... is having some sort of malfunction with her software and let the ghosts loose. I've been chasing them around all afternoon. I hope I got them all. Anyway, let's see who you've gotten rid of this time..."

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Paris, 27 May 1839

"Three more bodies have been discovered, and the police are no nearer to solving the mystery. With both M. de Villefort and his daughter dead, along with their family doctor, Doctor d'Avrigny, the current investigations are focused on the Villefort household. Though, how the third body's identity - that of the innkeeper Gaspard Caderousse - relates is anyone's guess. While the crimes remain unsolved, the number of missing citizens is dwindling, and with no additional disappearances the police are confident that this bizarre string of murders will soon be at an end." - M. Beauchamp

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Silent Lee (Gaspard Caderousse, Parisian Mafia) has been lynched. It is Night 6. Deadline for choices is 22:30 GMT Thursday.

[Mr. Grey]

Day Off

And so it was that on the seventh day, Mr. Grey looked at the remaining guests gathering in the courtyard to again scream and yell and demand each other's heads. And it was good.

And so, Mr. Grey rested.

He did not name a new android. The new android drifted about aimlessly, having no sense of purpose because of her lack of name. She didn't even know what color clothes to wear. After several hours of indecision, her default programming kicked in and selected something in a nice taupe - which, as everyone knows, is the average color of the French mole.

He did not greet his guests in a flamboyant manner. He did not entertain. He did not juggle, nor swallow the flaming sword.

He even resisted making some sort of bad "Show me the money!" reference. Which is a good thing, as it was later pointed out that the previous night's victim was not

Jerry Maguire

.

And it was morning, and it was... well, still morning. The seventh day.

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Sarcastro (Barry McGuire, Innocent) has been murdered. It is Day 7. It will take 3 votes to lynch before the deadline, which is two weeks from this post.

[Talitha]

Barry McGuire? FOS: Sarcastro

My current condorcet would consist of Setael [...big gap here...], IH [...big gap here...], everyone else.

Also, the gift giver lives. More about that later.

[Dragon Phoenix]

I agree with Setael being candidate #1 right now. I would really like to hear more about this gift giving - I am not doing it and I still have not received anything either.

[Setael]

First of all, I'm the gift giver. No one accepted from CES, and Sarcastro was the first to accept since I replaced in. As Talitha hinted at, last night I chose her since she seems the most obvtown to me at this point. (If I accidentally choose mafia to give a gift to, they can also receive an action that would help them). I didn't claim it yesterday because after Sarc was given a daykill I knew I would be the NK target for it and I wanted to be able to give at least one more gift before that happens.

Second, @Talitha & DP: you're both wrong, and I think one of you already knows it. I admit I've been a horrible scum hunter in this game, but if I was scum there's no way I would have defended BOTH Zindaras and Silent Lee the way I did - that doesn't even make sense as scum play. I was wrong about alignments, but I'm not scum. In fact, I'd expect the real scum to attack me for not voting Silent Lee, since I am now officially the easy wagon.

I think Talitha is practically confirmed town due to her making sure SiLee got lynched. That leaves DP as my top suspect. I definitely need to reread for a full overhaul, since every conclusion I've come to this game has been wrong. Don't expect a vote from me anytime soon.

[Gaspar]

Pfeh.

The role ability is proven, obviously, but there is never any reason to lie about your role if you're town, especially during a massclaim.



Some questions:
What were your targets, night-by-night, and what are rough paraphrases of the messages you sent each one?
What is the flavor behind your role? Are you still Leon S. Peters, or did you lie about your character name as well?