Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

[beeboy]

I feel like Pie is pushing us away from the Drealz wagon without actually having any sort of town read on Drealz.

I felt like that before but then she kinda revived the notion so idk.

She revived the notion to push Varsoon.

[Luna Fox]

Hmm i've alywas thought of role madness games as 100% PRs for both teams.
Oh well.
UNVOTE:

[mhsmith0]

I also want to draw attention to how the drealz wagon fell apart.

drealz was at L-1 for quite a bit, then he softed/claimed nurse and how his wagon is nowhere to be seen. OK, whatever, but the thing is: I explicitly pointed out in 1553 that drealz' claim was not a town claim and that "keeping a PR alive" was a really shitty reason to disband the wagon, due to this being a role madness setup. this was some time after the wagon disbanded, and so I would expect that the people who had a strong scum read on the slot would see it and think something along the lines of "o wait, that wasn't a good reason to disband the wagon" and move back onto him.

what's happened? nothing.

there are some people for whom this would be fine, but Varsoon in particular has just completely fucking fell flat when it's come to drealz recently: if you compare his posts in the first half or so of the game about drealz to everything he's done recently, it's completely different. I would expect that with the knowledge not to focus on claims, he should have come back out full-force in similar vein to how he pushed drealz early in the game, since without the claim, it's just a matter of drealz' play, which he has thoroughly hated. but now Varsoon is scrambling onto the Cakez lynch and has had no signs of any serious push on drealz for the past 400 posts now.

in fact, there's a whole momentum shift of people who have just let the drealz wagon be after collapsing, despite the collapse not being well-reasoned, and pisskop's vote is also catching my eye.

I don't think this is fucking natural, not at all. I think that the drealz wagon was a bus that scum couldn't leave, and now that they have an opportunity to actually mislynch town, scum are scrambling to take it.

now, predictably, drealz will invent some reason to push Cakez and Wisdom will continue to oppose every wagon that might result in a scum lynch

vote: Varsoon (L-2)

and when it flips scum, drealz next

Fair point. She did do it to push varsoon. Def. want drealz before v.

[Luna Fox]

I love (not really) how people are treating Varsoon as conf town in their analysis.

[mhsmith0]

Not conf town but I'd rather lynch drealz than v.

[SirCakez]

Like there can be VTs in role madness but there doesn't HAVE to be

[pieguyn]

I mean, I made it explicit I think both drealz and Varsoon are scum and that specifically their interactions look like scum/scum in that post, so.

(will respond to other things later)

[pieguyn]

also ftr, if I was scum with drealz I probably would not have taken the "soft defend but never explicitly declare a town read" approach to his wagon - that is something I actually actively avoid doing as scum because it's something that I know a lot of people immediately look for and it isn't beneficial (see: the wagon on him coming up again now). I am sure that anyone who has seen me play scum knows that I'm more than capable of, and will not hesitate to, hard defend my partners if I feel it necessary to defend them.

[pisskop]

hard defending partners if funzies.

Im more interested in hard bussing though.

[pisskop]

I once had a partner gladiate me. We won.

[pisskop]

My point is lightly suggesting a townread on dreal makes more sense than hard deffing him because his play has been undefendable.

[GuyInFreezer]

vc 1.09

Varsoon (4):

Aeronaut, drealmerz7, SirCakez, pieguyn

SirCakez (2):

Wisdom, pisskop

dwlee99 (1):

Nahdia

drealmerz7 (4):

Varsoon, mhsmith0, beeboy, Dwlee99

Not Voting:

Gamma Emerald, Luna Fox

With

13

alive,

7

to lynch.

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-09 11:09:14).

[pisskop]

Besides, depending on how well you word it and what others do you could even get away with

"I just townread everyone; they have somant points in my book that I took the weakest ones and scumread them!"

[pieguyn]

because his play has been undefendable.

... I don't think you've actually seen what I'm capable of, then.

/ominous giggling

[Nahdia]

holy fuck guys can we lynch dwlee yet

[Nahdia]

Mr. "WHAT NO IM NOT IN A PT NOOO" oh wait yes i am teeehee

yeah get that shit outta here.

[pisskop]

lol

I think I would have personally defended my inactive/bad scum partner by attacking somebody else.

[pisskop]

Mr. "WHAT NO IM NOT IN A PT NOOO" oh wait yes i am teeehee

yeah get that shit outta here.

He was all like

"ima troll and shitpost and say I wasnt in a hood and see who reacts". then he said cakez believed him

[Nahdia]

yeah fuck that noise lynch him

[pieguyn]

and even if I couldn't, I would even choose to hard-bus him over "lightly defend without declaring a town read" if it really came down to it, because the latter really is just the absolute worst option you can take when your partner comes under pressure

anyone who thinks I would take that approach with a partner doesn't understand how I play scum

p-edit: still up for dwlee lynch, if Varsoon is impossible and enough other people join us.

[Nahdia]

man's contributions have been mechposting, vote dancing, shade throwing, and forgetting he's in a god damn private topic. this shit ain't town. i seen town dwlee. town dwlee is a good soldier. this is some crap.

pieguyn continues to be town so pls lynch dwlee with me im way more sold on him being scum than Varsoon who is still analogous to that sailor of questionable sexuality on shore leave.

[SirCakez]

Always down to murder dwlee

[pieguyn]

consider my vote spiritually on both.

vote: dwlee

[Wisdom]

Mr. "WHAT NO IM NOT IN A PT NOOO" oh wait yes i am teeehee

yeah get that shit outta here.

how is that scummy

[pisskop]

D: