Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

[Luna Fox]

Yeah I thought you hated D1 VCA

Every single time i've used VCA i've been wrong.

[Wisdom]

vca sucks
vca with no flips is just straight horseshit

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are you saying no take-backsies

What was the point of this question.
Like what does saying No Take Backsies have anything to do with pisskop's alignment.

I think Pie is Town and I don't like the fact he's voteparking on her.

[pisskop]

yea but

fuck gamma

[Gamma Emerald]

More seriously, VCA only works if you understand the WHY.

[pisskop]

gamma is trying to make a scumread out of snark

its weaka and scummy

[Luna Fox]

Why are you saying no take-backsies

What was the point of this question.
Like what does saying No Take Backsies have anything to do with pisskop's alignment.

I think Pie is Town and I don't like the fact he's voteparking on her.

And so why aren't you interacting with Wisdom who has said pie's scum for a few pages now.
Why didnt you react to when i thought pie was scum.
But only to pisskop's vote on pie.

[pisskop]

More seriously, VCA only works if you understand the WHY.

no ....

vca is shit period. its up and down shit. its vertical fountains of crap

[mhsmith0]

nonsense, VCA is fine and a generally useful tool. It's just that most people are shitty at using it. I've done quite well with VCA at times.

[mhsmith0]

Of course, day 1 pre-flip VCA is kinda shitty though.

[pisskop]

vca is the tool of the lazy replace in.

its the tool of overemotional whiners


its the easiest thong ever to fake and abuse.

its a supplementary device

[Luna Fox]

Regardless let's not turn this into a "Is VCA good or not" debate, it's D1 no matter how godlike you're at VCA you wont get anything useful out of it anyway.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are you saying no take-backsies

What was the point of this question.
Like what does saying No Take Backsies have anything to do with pisskop's alignment.

I think Pie is Town and I don't like the fact he's voteparking on her.

And so why aren't you interacting with Wisdom who has said pie's scum for a few pages now.
Why didnt you react to when i thought pie was scum.
But only to pisskop's vote on pie.

Because I didn't notice your SR, and I felt Wisdom's was stupid because he's just thrown me out as town. I don't think I've really done anything to deserve that.

[beeboy]

pieguyn - The claim was nice and I have reason to believe it but nothing else Pie has done since has been town, but still leaning town.
Varsoon - I need to read Varsoon's posts more critically at some point because I am null on him right now.
Gamma Emerald - I don't like how Gamma is lurking and periodically comes in to vote someone but that doesn't make him scum so I guess he is null.
Nahdia - Town
Wisdom - Town
drealz - Scum
SirCakez - I was liking some of his earlier posts and I think that Cakez is playing to his town meta but the content in some of his posts suck.
Aeronaut - I have yet to critically read Aero's posts
Dwlee99 - So before this game started Dwlee said he was busy with school and was rusty with Mafia, I don't particularly think he is town and when I said I would vote him I was null reading him and was more ok with the idea of voting him and not something I overly wanted myself. Although Dwlee is a player that I think will become a lot easier as the game progresses so I am fine leaving him be.
pisskop - Null, I don't understand the Pisskop town reads I have thought about his posts and don't feel strongly either way about him right now.
mhsmith0 - Town


Anyway here is where I stand.

[pisskop]

so vote gamma w/me

his selective scumreads are bad

[Gamma Emerald]

Luna is solid town
Wisdom IDK

[mhsmith0]

SirCakez - I was liking some of his earlier posts and I think that Cakez is playing to his town meta but the content in some of his posts suck.

Can you talk about this a bit more? I'm explicitly not particularly good at sorting SC or really understanding his town meta, so what in particular pings you town there? Especially in light of your 1584 whcih suggests you might be walking that read back a bit.

[Luna Fox]

so vote gamma w/me

his selective scumreads are bad

I'm currently null on Gamma.
I thought his post where he thought he had caught a scumslip felt honest, but I have disliked his latest play, specially that vote on you.

[Wisdom]

gamma has been town since his push on me

Seriously, read or leave Wisdom. It's ten fucking pages so unless Turkey Day really got to you you're a fucking lightweight.

^this showed he didnt really think im scum, he just didnt like me not reading

scum-him would be focusing more in showing how I'm scum

plus i doubt scum-him would antagonize me this much based on such a silly thing

[beeboy]

SirCakez - I was liking some of his earlier posts and I think that Cakez is playing to his town meta but the content in some of his posts suck.

Can you talk about this a bit more? I'm explicitly not particularly good at sorting SC or really understanding his town meta, so what in particular pings you town there? Especially in light of your 1584 whcih suggests you might be walking that read back a bit.

I am scum reading Cakez but I felt as though he was getting involved and interacting with people a lot more then what he plays as scum. It is hard to put into words but Cakez tries to avoid doing reckless things as and he is pretty careful ccum (not the best way to describe it but fuck it) while he is town he tends to do things I find he would be smart enough to not do as scum. In particular his Varsoon tunnel I thought seemed kind of over board for something Cakez would do as scum and struck me a lot like his reads in a game like let's say summer waltz. Although this feels kind of overboard for something he would do as town and I kind of think I need to reevaluate how I read Cakez since I just read a scum game of his (dragon age) and he didn't play how I thought I remembered he did. So I could jus the full of shit right now. ^^;;

[beeboy]

I should proof read things last sentence = "I could just be full of shit right now"

[Nahdia]

Nahdia - Town

(✿◕‿◕)

[beeboy]

I meant to say indie :<

[SirCakez]

Because Varsoon has spent the entire game tunneling a PR? (I'm assuming dreal is town)

I regret saying I thought Cakez was town in all honesty as this was the most unneeded post ever.

Wisdom asked why he should vote Varsoon, this was a response.

[pieguyn]

Wisdom, first off, pay attention to my posts. I thought it was pretty clear that 1270 was the point where Luna solidified her position in my strong town pile; my paranoia of her was because I just had this sick gross feeling that there was something terribly wrong about some of her posts and I managed to convince myself that her interactions with beeboy up to that point were fakeable and I wanted more time to think and (if necessary) reassess her posts more rigorously, but then after the last round of interactions where she did the fake suicide bomb that paranoia dissipated pretty much entirely.

second, you've been asking me why Cakez-kun was town. more than anything, I don't get the sense that he's bullshitting reads here: I'm aware that it's easy to make up a viable sounding scum read when someone is playing really off (zakk in magical girls), but there's a difference between someone who isn't sure how to make viable pushes save one read they can spin genuine content out of and someone who is unilaterally making sensible pushes and catching onto sensible things.

Dwlee could be scum

opening up the game feeling out dwlee is a pretty good sign to me because when I'm scum and I need to make up a read on someone who I have an extensive history with, I'm not particularly inclined to push them out the gate immediately unless I feel sure I'll look more town off it and that I can execute it properly. when I'm scum, I'm looking for allies; early in the game is when people are forming first impressions and biases about people and there's no real reason to risk cutting yourself off that early unless you feel sure that it won't happen or that it'd be more advantageous for you even if it does. the read here does not read as a token push either, given he continued pushing it for quite a while.

Dwlee I get where you're coming from, it just makes no sense
Like how is that post going to get you and PK 1v1ing?

Yeah? That's not going to cause a fight between you two.

this is the continuation of the dwlee push; I thought the reaction here was pretty reasonable and it lined up with my opinion of dwlee's assessment of Cakez's posts.

Varsoon is scum who doesn't want to give up his push because he'll look bad me thinks

Cakez-kun has a lot of posts like this about Varsoon that resonated with me very strongly; another post that I liked a lot was 497, which again is basically exactly the same reaction I had, and most of his other posts about Varsoon in general, really. I get that this isn't a rock-solid reason for a read (esp after zakk in magical girls), but I definitely feel a lot more comfortable using this line of reasoning when it's about Varsoon (someone who I know and have read and I can see for myself that he is playing way off from how he does when he's town) than someone like zakk who I had had no previous experience with at the time and when it's consistent with how I feel about his other pushes (dwlee).

VOTE: SirCakez

VOTE: drealmerz

Also let's talk about how opportunistic this is
No posting from gamma, just hopping on wagons whenever

Actually I could go with a gamma wagon
That vote hopping was scummy as shit and I can't remember why I town read him

this is a spur-of-the-moment type of thought that to me is something scum would be less likely to think about than town. town-him at this point sees what he thinks is an awful wagon, is paying very close attention to the ways people are acting around the wagon and how people are joining/reacting to it, and you can see this manifest in how he throws out his previous read on GE slot and reverses it out of nowhere; scum-him is WK'ing a drealz flip for the end goal of gaining town cred from it and would be less likely to think to replicate a subtle thought process like this, and even so, he would likely be more focused and want to maintain a more solid appearance instead of making it look like he's all over the place with reads and going around provoking GE for not much of a reason (even if GE had voted him, pushing back on him wasn't a necessary push to make at all).

^ right here is when I became mostly certain that Cakez-kun was town, and apart from that, I remember scum-Cakez in magical girls being just generally really cagey about his reads and again I don't get that impression here; the way he's pushing e.g. Varsoon and you in this game just feels a lot more fluid. I don't really think I need to pull quotes for this.

I don't have any issue with his treatment of the drealz wagon on a general level, either; there's a consistent amount of effort that he's putting into derailing it, asking other people what they think about alternate options (Varsoon), that kind of thing, so at the very least *if* he is scum he is not just treating it as a token opposition. this is not a particularly strong tell since scum players who know how to WK properly should not just be token-opposing wagons and will be in it for the long haul if they choose to WK a wagon, but again, he seemed to be really cagey in magical girls as scum, so I do think that I am somewhat likely to be correct in thinking about it as a town tell.

I would like to hear an actual response to my Varsoon read as well if you're just going to claim I'm "not saying anything about it".