Not really. His actions thus far still count, as do those of the people interacting with him. Just because he's getting replaced doesn't change the fact that he was scummy, nor does it change the fact that drealmerz's actions point to him.In post 324, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Im sad to see Think Big replace but it gives a fresh new view on his slot and it may help some of us see the slot differently.
You don't understand What I was meaning was it would of been better for him to switch to pine if pine was town he didn't........ Why is everyone taking what I'm trying to say and misunderstanding it.In post 320, nn30 wrote:Neither were ever beyond 10% viable.In post 319, Garmr wrote:Tell me when a TB wagon was more viable over pine during day 1? The point was no one was voting tb except the actual scum member and even through he was pushing on pine he didn't switch his vote. He had the chance to at anytime switch the vote especially when I declined him trying to buddy up to me.In post 314, nn30 wrote:What are you talking about? I've re-read D1 three times now. There was never a moment where I felt a pine wagon was going to flair up. What are you talking about with you 'so many times' argument?In post 311, Garmr wrote:Buzz nope your still on surface level. The correct argument and line of reasoning is if pine is town why wouldn't he just move his vote over to pine when he had the chance so many times? Super fucking simple stuff.In post 309, Secret Agent Jin wrote:So, Garmr, are you suggesting a link between Dreal and Pine? I actually think that the surface level is what you are looking at with the Dreal/Pine thing. We know Dreal was scum but do you think scum would try to move one vote off their partner when someone can easily point to that and link the two? I think it was more of a ploy so that when Dreal flipped someone would draw lines to Pine and take him down.
The D1 was a joke. We disucssed some RVS crap and then ran up Josh for his bad play.
There weren't 'so many' opportunities.
I'm sold.In post 310, Pine wrote:Surface level is exactly what Garmr's on about. He keeps talking about what Drealmerz SAID, not what he DID. He SAID ThinkBig, and then DID go after me.
ThinkBig is the correct lynch.
VOTE: TB
Your point is moot.
OkIn post 329, nn30 wrote:Garmr - your case is incomprehensible.
You need to communicate more effectively.
We've gone in circles and I still don't know what you're trying to say.
This post is around the time I am pushing pine.In post 143, drealmerz7 wrote:Garmr - to me both pine and TB came out a bit scummy from that stuff but TB was more scummy to me what you see as trying to figure it out seems more like a convenient fake of scum-hunting - FoS on both
This is what i was trying to tell Garmr with my post when i referenced that he was looking at it from the surface. I am convinced that Dreal's defense of Pine was either his attempt to gain town points or his attempt to lay down posts that would link him to Town!Pine if Dreal flipped which would result in a Pine lynch, essentially taking a town member with him and causing town to waste a day phase.In post 334, nn30 wrote:Here's my best argument for town pine in the context of this discussion - Dreamer's actions cannot be looked at in black and white terms. He could have soft defended his buddy, yes, but he could also just be saying crap in an attempt to get town read or in an attempt to confuse town. You cannot conclusively say that Pine is scum because of this isnstance.
Agreed 100% with the bolded. But at least you understand my case. But these interactionsIn post 334, nn30 wrote:@Garmr - please reference specific posts and instances for your 'part 2.'
A few things. Your 330 makes a lot of sense to me. Here's what I think is safe to conclude from what you are trying to say:
Confirmed scum Dreamer responds to a case on pine by FoS both Pine and TB. He lands on TB, however, with the stronger suspicion.
What does this say about TB? He's probably town.
What does this say about Pine? One of two things - he's either scum that Dreamer soft defended, or he's town.
Here's my best argument for town pine in the context of this discussion - Dreamer's actions cannot be looked at in black and white terms. He could have soft defended his buddy, yes, but he could also just be saying crap in an attempt to get town read or in an attempt to confuse town. You cannot conclusively say that Pine is scum because of this isnstance.
Which is why I want you to point to specific instances for your 'part 2' so that we can futher this discussion.
FTR - I have a strong town read on Pine because of his and I's interactions following the D1 1shot no lynch discussion. I'm willing to admit that I'm wrong here - it's on you to convince me.
In post 157, Pine wrote:Hey garmr, your hardon for me is showing. Two inches? Pathetic.
this ones at josh who flipped town. But watch how he responds to dreamersIn post 71, Pine wrote: PEdit: Fuck off, I'll read whatever I like into whatever else I like. Vote bullying like you're doing is also a scumtell. Chainsawing this early? Amateur.
His not the wanka he was acting as towards me or josh. It's a total emotionless exchange.In post 145, Pine wrote:Drealmerz, look later on the Josh wagon. My reasoning was at least original, the rest of the wagon just steeped onto it.
This outrage seems out of place. Normally you wouldn't care if your fake or real scum read votes you because you want them lynched and if your town you would think there scum anyway. I think this more outrage at a scum buddy who has done something they didn't agree with.In post 184, drealmerz7 wrote:I'm fucking devastated. Seriously. It's fucking bogus. Scum tactics through and through. He sells it well, but I am NOT BUYING IT. If he hadn't self-voted I MAYYYYYYYBE would have MAYYYYYBE dropped it depending on the rest of it, but, nononononono, that is just SCUMMMMMMMMMMM. And if he gets replaced because you guys let him go...omfg...graaahhhhhhhhhhhhh...."ohno they caught me replace me" - it's a fucking free passIn post 181, Pine wrote:
Vote drealmerz
This guy is WAY too disappointed at the dissolution of the Josh wagon. Why so invested in it? He was an easy lynch, looks like disappointed scum.
NOOOOO.
It's gotta be my HS culture. No doubt.
He talked about you and he's conf!scum.In post 336, Pine wrote:Wait, how does drealmerz attacking me "link me to him"?
I've actually had past experience with pine so I think I know him better than you.In post 341, nn30 wrote:@Garmr - I see what you're saying and your case on Pine isn't convincing. I can refute point by point if you want to belabor the issue, but the short version is everything you've found could come from either a town or a scum Pine. You've posted no reason for me to lean scum, either.
In post 211, Pine wrote:Ugh, this game.
Moving on. I'm inclined to look at the latter part of Josh's wagon to try and identify opportunistic scum smelling blood in the water and going for the kill. Looking at the votes, that suggests to me {Drealmerz, ThinkBig, and LUV}, the 4th, 5th, and 6th votes on him, respectively. The merit of this approach is immediately evident, as Drealmerz scummed right onto the wagon. Regrettably, I spotted that a little too late D1 to save Josh. Fortunately, Vig/SK saw it too and we don't have to spend a lynch on him. That leaves me to look at ThinkBig and LUV. Of the two, LUV seems to not really grok what's going on in this game, and it comes off as a bit unfeigned. I'm inclined to think the sheep onto the Josh wagon was a genuine sheep off of a well-presented (albeit incorrect) case.
That leaves ThinkBig. Drealmerz and TB both went for Josh in rapid succession, elevating that wagon from an early exploration and pressure to L-2. It's hardly a wonder that newbieTown panicked, felt ostracized, and suicided. Taken as a whole, TB's behavior strikes me as opportunistic, as does his daystart congratulating the Vig. He's a bit new too, so it's hardly inconceivable that he just wouldn't know that that sort of thing is a common overcompensating behavior of disappointed scum, on par with betting too big on a bluff in order to cover the fact that you've got nothing. Attack on Flubber in 210 fits with this theory, as it serves to suppress or discredit new perspectives before they appear.
Vote ThinkBig
I think Garmr believes that he is right.In post 344, nn30 wrote:@1 shot - what's your take on the Garmr Pine fiasco?
That's the issue, he's set in his view that he's probably not going to listen.In post 347, Pine wrote:That's been my take of late, more or less. He's been insanetunneling, and scum tend to branch out a bit, give themselves some options. Garmr has literally not given an opinion that doesn't revolve around his read on me (the TR on ThinkBig was mostly because I am SRing TB)