In post 460, MagnaofIllusion wrote:At this stage I’m heavily leaning that LUV is a good scum candidate. His posting lacks any drive to find and identify scum. Review his ISO to see what I mean – lots of “don’t know about this” posting. The only real conclusions he has offered are Town reads (some which make little sense) which are easy for scum to provide. And I want to go back to his immediate “Oh, I breadcrumbed” drop made under literally zero pressure. If LUV is Town he’s basically made himself a target for scum killing or blocking with no reason to have done so. Still feels very suspect to me.
That's the way he plays I think. I need to check his scum game to see if it's alignment indicative at all but currently him coming across as fence sitting and as more like he's trying to be the peacemaker is what I have seen from him in our previous game where he was town. When I read his posts I get the impression that he's looking for motivation behind people's postings, which is what town do.
In post 377, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm leaning toward voting Socrates right now since all he's done is made a very weak case on Jae that's been easily picked up apart a few times already. He also doesn't seem to understand the town motivation in one trying to better appeal or understand a person.
@Spyrex
– I want a sanity check on this from LUV. Does this post say to you “Newb scum who doesn’t want to get accused of wagonning”?
I know you didn't ask me but I'm going to respond anyway. No, it doesn't. Not for Uzi, at least. I feel like you're pushing a narrative here with him and I really don't like it.
In post 302, JaeReed wrote:Game. Just one. Open 637, beeboy's Fire and Ice. You replaced Io. I was reading that game because Ranger was in it (in a hydra with RC).
My opening here is in no way, shape or form similar to my play that game. Nevermind that I didn’t even start posting there til Day 2. Your original answer as to why you didn’t ISO dive me compared to Socrates doesn’t seem to hold water based on this info.
What? I DIDN'T SAY THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T DIVE YOU. I didn't dive you because YOUR OPENING DIDN'T FEEL STIFF TO ME. I said I wouldn't have dived you if I DID have a problem with it because I can remember the way you posted in Fire and Ice. Like, you're the one who focused on the add-on to it rather than the actual reason and asked for what games I've seen you in as though that was even relevant to the reason I didn't decide to dive you where I decided to skim SpyreX and Socrates.
In post 302, JaeReed wrote:Reaction testing is only town indicative with follow up. I couldn't give a read on whether he's town or scum following what I thought was a reaction test at the time when I still hadn't seen his conclusions reached from it. I'm having a hard time buying that you seriously believe I should have had a solid read on him off a reaction test that I hadn't seen follow up to at the time.
You are completely off the rails. I don’t care that you didn’t have a read based on Dunn’s post. My issue is that you called it a reaction test at all. Again – Town do reaction tests, scum don’t. You called it a reaction test on its face. I’m having a hard time reconciling that your post left no room for Dunn being scum and voting opportunistically.
I've seen Dunn claim in pre-game once he was going to vig mastin to check her claim of bulletproof. I'd still call that a reaction test. He was scum that game. Like, scum can reaction test too - it arguably helps them more than it helps town because you can read into the reaction of the person KNOWING THAT THEY ARE TOWN and figure out whether they might be an important PR or not. Like come on dude, reaction tests can also be a way to appear town. The ONLY thing to take from a reaction test is
the conclusion that person draws from it
. Because that is what will show you whether they're genuinely evaluating from a town mindset.
Dunn is the person here who I have the most completed games with. His erratic early play is par for the course and I wasn't going to call him scum just for voting me when I know his play in general is full of stuff like that early on. Like, why should I have seen that vote as particularly opportunistic? Because I called him out on early setup spec? The fact that you're saying my post left "no room for Dunn being scum" is just plain wrong. I specifically said I wasn't sure if he was scum or town. Because I wasn't. Your push on me is starting to look really contrived.
In post 353, JaeReed wrote:Eh, I'm not feeling pisskop. I actually liked his reaction to being scumread. The whole "you need to learn the differences" thing.
So you think his posting is Town what effectively it is OMGUS to everyone who looks at him sideways along with empty shit-posting? That is all that had happened by the time you wrote this.
No. I thought his tone was town because it's very much a "wow you guys suck at reading me" unapologetic tone. I don't think I actually saw any OMGUS from him back then either?
In post 362, JaeReed wrote:{Dunnstral, kraska}
{camn, Uzi}
{pisskop}
{IAI, Magna, SpyreX}
{Nacho, LLD}
{Socrates}
Please elaborate on your LUV Town read. I’d be very interested in what posts you think warrant that read.
109 &
117 - paranoia over LLD's post restriction and thinking about possible motivations (this is essentially a null point though because it could just as easily be throwing shade on her as scum knowing she'll have a hard time getting out content because of the restriction)
152 - looking at motivation behind trying to work around someone disliking certain words.
167 - looking at motivation again behind camn's vote on me
170 - Looked into the time of the posts and whether they made sense in context with how she's been posting so far
174 &
194 - Wants to hear from the people who haven't posted (granted, this is a particularly easy one to go for if you're trying to grab cheap town cred but he followed it with a SR on kraska which says to me he really believes in it)
205 - Good points on the grammar thing, for a start. Calling for an investigate on a slot that we're going to have trouble reading is also pro-town motivation.
297 - paranoia over camn's vote hopping looks like it's starting to set in.
In post 364, JaeReed wrote:Also like even if you did go to talk in the scum pt first there's nothing to say you confirmed before the game actually began and not just before you made your first post in thread, y'know?
Ok, this is probably scum posting.
What about that is scum posting? Because now it's seeming like you're just flinging stuff at the wall to see if it sticks. I'm also pretty sure that in context this was relevant to a discussion we were having, and I feel like you've kinda ripped it out of context? Still don't see how it would be scum posting regardless.
In post 367, JaeReed wrote:I won't say kraska hasn't had posts lately that made me feel uneasy about her but the point is I was pretty certain she was town earlier on and even her latest posting still isn't enough to change my viewpoint on that. I think she's just on the wrong path and needs to take a step back and look at your motivation behind the posts a bit more.
Ok, so what posts of kraska’s made you uneasy?
I didn't like the series of posting that was
351 - 356
The main thing that pinged me was saying there was no content and basically being willing to lynch low content rather than any of the others she had in her scum pile. (Uzi and camn)
It's not enough to outweigh what I liked about her earlier but it just bugged me, especially following the run of fluff she had posted earlier.