Mini 532: Yaw's Split Open Mafia: (Game over)


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Post Post #250 (ISO) » Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:10 am

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Zhao wrote:Ahhh, you got me there. When quickly browsing I thought Phate was carrying on your original plan, but I see that you proposed mass reveal while he wants the switcher+reopener to work in tandem. Both are wacky plans so I thought they meshed together. :lol:
Lol! Is it just a misunderstanding, still unsure... I'll let my vote for now :wink:

Hmm, mentioning about an RB... a powered-scum must choose between using the power or to murder. But an SK may do both, if an SK is blocked by an RB, which action is blocked?
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, is it:
a. only the role-power
b. only the killing action
c. both

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Post Post #251 (ISO) » Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:03 am

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Vote Count:
Zhao (3): SensFan, Holy, Off the Mark
Drunken Piper (1): Thanatos
Thantos (1): Phate
SensFan (1): Zhao
Off the Mark (1): Panzerjager
Phate (1): Korlash
QuickBen (1): DrunkenPiper

Not Voting (3): kabenon007, QuickBen, Jex

With 12 alive it is 7 to lynch.
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Post Post #252 (ISO) » Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:13 am

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I'm still not sold on Zhao's case right now. Personally, I think OTM is scummier. He agrees a lot without giving many reasons of his own, which always spooks me because it makes me think people are trying to buddy up to me.
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Post Post #253 (ISO) » Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:30 am

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Off the Mark wrote:
unvote:
vote: Zhao


I get the feeling he's not being straight with us, that's all.
I understand SensFan and Holy's votes, but this feels so bandwagony.
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Post Post #254 (ISO) » Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:01 am

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QuickBen wrote:I'm not saying he would or did do it to seem more townie. I'm saying it *could* have been done to appear more townie. Or more on point, that him doing it could be argued either way, so its pointless to do so. By itself, its not something I would (or did) vote him for. Now, if later on he has built up some kind of record for giving the scum ideas in thread, then yeah, he may garner my vote. Just because they're able to confer, doesn't mean they can necessarily come up with a plan like that. We don't have to help them, should they have the switcher or reopener in their ranks, ok?

Lets suppose he is scum. He asks himself, "Would any self-respecting scum ask this in thread?" "No." "Ok, I'll ask in thread and this appear to do something that no scum would do."

WIFOM is a situation in which two opposing answers can be arrived at based on trains of thought that are based on what you think others would do.

A person who says this would never belong to group X, therefore he must belong to group Y unless he is actually a part of group X and knew you would think that a person of group X would never say that and so he did to appear to be a part of the other group. Etc.

In the immortal words of Forrest Gump, "That's all I have to say about that..."
I think it all boils down to the fact that we disagree on whether this situation could have followed from a "Would any self-respecting scum ask this in thread?" "No." "Ok, I'll ask in thread and this appear to do something that no scum would do." situation. I don't believe so...but then again, if Korlash, as a scum, was thinking that way, then it doesn't really matter what I think.
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Post Post #255 (ISO) » Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:43 am

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Finals this week, 4 papers to go, sorry for my inactivity.
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Post Post #256 (ISO) » Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:02 pm

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Korlash, thinking as scum? Bah! that will never happen!

Korlash, thinking? Wha- O.o
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Post Post #257 (ISO) » Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:12 pm

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Phate wrote:I'm still not sold on Zhao's case right now. Personally, I think OTM is scummier. He agrees a lot without giving many reasons of his own, which always spooks me because it makes me think people are trying to buddy up to me.
I so do not remember why i quoted this... Something about I'm unsure why someone would have to say "I'm so not with this case" for any reason other then to say "Hey, I'm not really feeling the need to bus my partner right now"

*Shrugs* i honestly had something to say 5 min ago... sad day for me...
Zhao wrote:I understand SensFan and Holy's votes, but this feels so bandwagony.
Ha ha ha ha... ahhh... Anyone else find that funny? i do...

Anyways... In post 113 i
voted for Phate
and the mod has yet to add it into a vote count all game... Kinda sad really... I call discrimination! Plead the 5th! Invoke the right of parley! And weep in tears!

... seriously... wtf... How did I miss that... it's been... *does math* like 70 posts now! O.o

My bad, fixed.
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Post Post #258 (ISO) » Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:04 am

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I skipped a bit but from what I can tell, Zhao is pretty scummy as is OTM.
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Post Post #259 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:42 am

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Phate wrote:I'm still not sold on Zhao's case right now. Personally, I think OTM is scummier. He agrees a lot without giving many reasons of his own, which always spooks me because it makes me think people are trying to buddy up to me.
Hmmm, OTM actually seems townie for me... >.> He didn't say much, but his words seems straightforward.

And actually...
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Holy wrote:Don't be fooled ;.; he is that kind of scum...
Throwing thoughtless theory just like that...
I am that kind of town too... A double edged sword.. Ripper... slasher... Tearer... Gouger...I am the teeth in the darkness! I am the Wings in the dark! I am Korlash! ROAR!
I LOL-ed XD at the irony...
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Post Post #260 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:35 am

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I think Korlash would let out more of a "rarr" rather than a ROAR! Don't lie Korlash, people might think you are scum... ;)
I put the "laughter" in manslaughter.
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Post Post #261 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:14 am

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SensFan prodded.
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Post Post #262 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:39 pm

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...

I would so totally ROAR!

>.>
<.<

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Post Post #263 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:20 pm

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My point exactly
I put the "laughter" in manslaughter.
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Post Post #264 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:15 pm

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You have no point... Your like a dull pencil... A broken knife... A boring schoolteacher... kabenon... All pointless... all very likely either town or scum... IGMEOY!!!

>.>

O. o <Lazy eye that is...
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Post Post #265 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:23 pm

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*sniff...*
your words cut me deeper than a broken knife ever could...
I put the "laughter" in manslaughter.
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Post Post #266 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:42 pm

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There there Friendless person of whom I cannot remember your name...

Take a closer walk with me... over by that cliff... yes just a bit closer...

*day later*

Phate: So Korlash, where did Kabenon go?

Korlash: he took a trip! =D
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Post Post #267 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:46 pm

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*waves*
hey guys, I'm back... by the way... Korlash is scum... he like tried to push me off a cliff but he was kinda weak and knocked himself out... rarr...
I put the "laughter" in manslaughter.
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Post Post #268 (ISO) » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:14 am

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Lol...I definitely see it! Korlash = scum because he threw kabenon off a cliff. But he didn't succeed. Apparently he's a new initiate into the mafia. :lol:

As for me...still plugging away on those papers and just wanted to say I'm alive and still reading. I'll add more after this week is over I promise!
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Post Post #269 (ISO) » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:03 am

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bird1111 wrote:
Vote Count:
Zhao (3): SensFan, Holy, Off the Mark
Drunken Piper (1): Thanatos
Thantos (1): Phate
SensFan (1): Zhao
Off the Mark (1): Panzerjager
Phate (1): Korlash

Not Voting (4): kabenon007, QuickBen, Jex, DrunkenPiper

With 12 alive it is 7 to lynch.
Drunken Piper wrote: This Fos does not make a lick of sense.
Vote Quickben
, seems like someone trying to stretch to go on the offense.
Quickben’s explanation did not address his faulty logic, I see.
Zhao wrote:
Off the Mark wrote:
unvote:
vote: Zhao


I get the feeling he's not being straight with us, that's all.
I understand SensFan and Holy's votes, but this feels so bandwagony.
Can you please explain their votes to me?
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Post Post #270 (ISO) » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:09 am

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Mainly because I don't consider my logic to be faulty.
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Post Post #271 (ISO) » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:25 pm

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Holy wrote:
Phate wrote:I'm still not sold on Zhao's case right now. Personally, I think OTM is scummier. He agrees a lot without giving many reasons of his own, which always spooks me because it makes me think people are trying to buddy up to me.
Hmmm, OTM actually seems townie for me... >.> He didn't say much, but his words seems straightforward.

And actually...
Korlash wrote:
Holy wrote:Don't be fooled ;.; he is that kind of scum...
Throwing thoughtless theory just like that...
I am that kind of town too... A double edged sword.. Ripper... slasher... Tearer... Gouger...I am the teeth in the darkness! I am the Wings in the dark! I am Korlash! ROAR!
I LOL-ed XD at the irony...
His words are straightforward, but all they say is that "I agree with him" or "This person is scummy, let's kill him!" without real investigation.
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Post Post #272 (ISO) » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:46 pm

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Look, I think Zhao, is simply a weak player, OTM is scum. I actually read and I think Zhao was jumped on because there is no where else to go. this is the second time OTM has tried to jump on a wagon oppurtunisticly. I believe he is teh scum. Also, have meta reason behind my theory.
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Post Post #273 (ISO) » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:42 am

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So you think you know me now, eh, Panzer? After playing one game with me as scum? :) Sorry, but your radar is off on this one. That was a fun game, though, wasn't it? :wink:

I'm quite curious what your meta reason is though... I am not aware of any tells I may have, and anything you think you've discovered is definitely not a tell since I am of opposite alignment this time around.

Anyway, back to the game... I have a list of players I trust at this point and players I am still not sure about. I'll share so we can see who agrees and who thinks I'm off my rocker:

Trust:
Phate
Korlash
kabenon (yes I know I suspected him, he's changed my mind)
Holy
SensFan
Drunken Piper

Unsure:
Thanatos
QuickBen

Suspicious:
Zhao
Panzerjager
Jex

Here's my cases on the "suspicious" characters, starting with
Zhao
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Zhao wrote:This plan will not work;
too many holes to exploit.
Phate is suspicious.
OK, even if you disagree with Phate's plan, at least he is trying to propose something to help the town in a game with a rather unusual setup. I doubt scum is going to be bold enough to put forth a plan like this so early in the game, therefore I immediately put Phate in the "trusted" category. Zhao seems to equate bad plan with scum, which seems disingenuous to me, and not a true townie-thought-process, so I became suspicious when Zhao said Phate was suspicious. Sure, scum could come up with a bad plan that would benefit scum more than town, but that is SO risky, and Phate's plan doesn't strike me that way.
Zhao wrote:Hey Sensfan, your buddy Phate is taking alot of flak for this plan, aren't you going to speak up? As the original proponent of it, I would have expect more discussion from you. You've haven't mentioned anything about it for 3 pages now.

I'm also suspicious of OTM, he seems to be flipping.
I don't see much purpose behind this post, other than to try to establish a link between SensFan and Phate (which I never saw) and also to try to stir up conflict between townies. Seems like a reach to call out SensFan for not posting about the plan at this point. And then he throws in suspicion of me in there, too, when I clearly explained why I was questioning the plan.

Later, Zhao explained this post by saying he thought Phate's and SensFan's plans were one and the same? That seems impossible to me, for a townie evaluating plans to make that mistake, when SensFan was actually quite critical of Phate's plan. The original post still seems to come from suspect motivations.

As far as
Panzerjager
goes, I have a metareason too. His posting style reminds me of when he was scum. Admittedly, I haven't played with him as town yet, so that's a pretty weak reason. But, since he's played with me before, he knows I can play this game. So I'd imagine if he was scum he'd want me gone ASAP, which indeed he does. He has pushed suspicion of me without any real reasons, simply claiming meta reasons. There are no meta reasons, because I am in fact playing very differently this game than in the game we played together as scum. Since the meta reasons are B.S., and Panzer clearly wants me gone, I have come to the conclusion that he is likely to be scum.

Finally,
Jex
. Jex has not posted a whole lot, and his posts have had very little content. The most that he said was back on page 9, and it was basically a misinterpretation of the rules that was the main content of that post. So he's pretty under the radar, and that's really the only reason for my suspicion.
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Post Post #274 (ISO) » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:03 am

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Panzerjager wrote:this is the second time OTM has tried to jump on a wagon oppurtunisticly. I believe he is teh scum. Also, have meta reason behind my theory.
Errr, you may explain your meta reason, because I just didn't see it...

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