Mafia 72: Peril in Panama - Game over!

[Mastermind of Sin]

DP wins.

[Aimee]

Yay Woo Vote Count!

Battle Mage (3) – mandalorian, Gage, Albert B. Rampage
JordanA24 (1) -- Mastermind of Sin
Unright (1) -- curiouskarmadog
curiouskarmadog (1) -- Dragon Phoenix

Not Voting (7) -- richman99, Kakeng, Nekka-Lucifer, Unright, JordanA24, Porochaz, curiouskarmadog, pete d

Prodded: Albert B. Rampage, Gage, mandalorian, Unright

Kakeng and richman99 have approximately 24 hours to post or they will be replaced.

[curiouskarmadog]

Yay Woo Vote Count!

Battle Mage (3) – mandalorian, Gage, Albert B. Rampage
JordanA24 (1) -- Mastermind of Sin
Unright (1) -- curiouskarmadog
curiouskarmadog (1) -- Dragon Phoenix

Not Voting (7) -- richman99, Kakeng, Nekka-Lucifer, Unright, JordanA24, Porochaz, curiouskarmadog, pete d

Prodded: Albert B. Rampage, Gage, mandalorian, Unright

Kakeng and richman99 have approximately 24 hours to post or they will be replaced.

MOD, my vote hasnt been on unright since 11/04

[Albert B. Rampage]

asdf

[curiouskarmadog]

asdf

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[Porochaz]

hes confirming hes picked up his prod

[Gage]

asdf

[Porochaz]

K maybe we could say "picking up prod" or something...

[Gage]

That wouldn't be interesting.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Jordan

[Mastermind of Sin]

^:goodposting:

[pete d]

Has BM finished his analysis' yet?

The answer is obviously no. There is no reason to ask this question.

vote: Nekka

[JordanA24]

MOS

: Looking at his posts, quite a lot of them, even after the random voting stage, has been almost useless to me. That or asking people to explain things, which, on it's own in posts, isn't that bad, but he hasn't really scumhunted that much IMO, or contributed his opinion to the game in general.

These are the only posts where he actually posts his opinion are these:

Jordan is stretching like a motherfucker. It is *NEVER* too early to be serious about lynching. Just because DP is willing to lynch a self-voter does not mean that he's trying rush the day, nor does it mean that he's willing to let everyone blindly bandwagon without giving their own opinions. You're bullshitting us this early? Nice try.

Unvote, Vote: Jordan

FoS: ABR

for following him.

No, but I'm not DP. He has an established meta for hating self-voters. It's a nulltell, therefore you are stretching to try and make it seem like a scumtell.

I think both of these were pretty strong, I've never played with DP before, so how was I to know that was his playstyle?

BM is probably protown. Only an idiot would try to lynch him at this point. *checks VC* Oh yeah...

Thinking BM is scum based on those votes is a classic case of WIFOM overuse. In addition, I *do* think that BM would try a bit harder to control what he says as scum. At best, if you don't consider it a town tell, no one should consider it any more than a null tell. If it's a null tell, it should be ignored, so people should not be voting him. If you consider it a town tell, you should also not be voting him. Therefore, I see no logical reason for anyone to vote him based on the mason votes. I think it's pretty dumb to do otherwise.

These two posts are fair enough, but only 4 meaningful posts in a 13 page game and out of 16 total posts is pretty poor form.

Conclusion

: Needs to pick up the content of his posts, or I may be voting him.

Nekka-Lucifer

: Hmm, a few scummy posts here and there, such as these:

Yes. That's a good scum catching tactic...

Yes, because independent thinking will get us no-where...

Cut him a bit of slack, he is a newbie after all, give him some helpful advice that could help him rather than throw a sarcastic comment at him. That's not going to encourage him to participate, is it?

And this:

BM

I believe you have only analysed 6 people. This is a reminder. Next time will be a vote.

How is only analysing 6 people worthy of a vote? Especially if you said this in your last post:

I smell a jester coming from BM which is incredibally ironic. *Looks to see where my vote lies*

And I've only done a half job so far in my analysis, why did I escape without being threatened with a vote?

Apart from this however, there isn't really anything which strikes my scumdar, and some of his posts give me a gut protown feel.

But that last post I highlighted does give me cause for concern, I'd appreciate if you explained it.

Conclusion

: Reasonably protown, pending his explaination to that post.

pete d/Sir Tornado

: Sir T made one post, which was a random vote.

pete d's first post seemed suspiciously indecisive in terms of votes/FOS's, one minor FOS after reading 10 and a half pages seems woefully lacking to me.

In his next post, he voted Nekka for the post I highlighted as scummy in the above analysis (the one where he threatened BM with a vote). Seems alright, until I got to

It's another nothing post.

I don't agree with this point at all, Nekka has contributed a decent amount to the game IMO, saying he hasn't feels like you're streching for reasons to back up your vote.

In his next post, he FOS's Nekka and BM (taking the middle road in their argument), only they're not FOS's, they are "Minor FOS"'s and "Sort of FOS"'s. What's wrong with a simple FOS, or are you worried that you might get into an argument that results in votes on you and you being put in centre stage (i.e: Something that scums fear)

And finally, why is Nekka asking whether BM has finished his analysis yet worthy of a vote at all?

Conclusion

: Seems scummy so far, needs to pick up his act, or he may be voted.

I'll do the last 3 hopefully tomorrow, depending on how much coursework I have to do for school.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm open to voting pete d.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I like my vote.

[Porochaz]

why

[Nekka-Lucifer]

BM: If you're refering to the jester comment, I'm just saying that your scummy behaviour seems abit purpose. As for the second part, the next 2 lines of the post explain it.

If not, (I forgotten who my vote was on.)

[Nekka-Lucifer]

EBWOP: I'm getting incredibally scummy signals from pete d. Why is there no need, might I ask. Questions keep up discussion. Just because you know that BM hasn't finished, does not mean that I know, and don't need prompting.

[pete d]

pete d's first post seemed suspiciously indecisive in terms of votes/FOS's, one minor FOS after reading 10 and a half pages seems woefully lacking to me.

Yeah, I'm finding it hard to get a strong read on anyone at the moment. Nobody has done anything extremely scummy yet, I think a minor FoS was appropriate in the situation

In his next post, he voted Nekka for the post I highlighted as scummy in the above analysis (the one where he threatened BM with a vote). Seems alright, until I got to

pete d wrote:
It's another nothing post.

I don't agree with this point at all, Nekka has contributed a decent amount to the game IMO, saying he hasn't feels like you're streching for reasons to back up your vote.

Read over Nekka's posts. I maintain that while Nekka has posted a fair bit, he hasn't really given much helpful contributions or suspicions (except for BM)

In his next post, he FOS's Nekka and BM (taking the middle road in their argument), only they're not FOS's, they are "Minor FOS"'s and "Sort of FOS"'s. What's wrong with a simple FOS, or are you worried that you might get into an argument that results in votes on you and you being put in centre stage (i.e: Something that scums fear).

Not really, like I said, I'm not getting a real strong read from anyone at the moment

And finally, why is Nekka asking whether BM has finished his analysis yet worthy of a vote at all?

It felt to me like he was trying to throw suspicion on BM. He didn't directly ask BM, he asked everyone, so it felt like a loaded question. Also, I had previously put on an FoS with reasons.

If it makes you feel better, I'd vote for CKD or Nekka atm, with BM one level down if you understand what I'm saying.

[Mastermind of Sin]

why

why not?

[Dragon Phoenix]

*snores*

[Aimee]

kakeng and richman99 are being replaced.

[JordanA24]

Porochaz

:

K Im not sure I can post anything because I dont actually feel theres enough of a read on people yet. Will post when I have more time/when I see something scummy. (will have more time on Monday.)

What made you post this?

Up until the 11th November, he's wasn't very scummy at all IMO (if I had to complain, I'd say he kept out of the spotlight a bit), and was contributing, but after that, there is no content in his posts whatsoever. But if he rectifies this, I have no reason to find Poroshaz scummy yet.

Conclusion

: Kinda protown

Richman99

: 2 posts, 0 content, 1 replacement required.

Conclsuion

: No read.

Unright

: His "townies making jokes" post still strikes me as a slip, I'm not that convinced by his cover-up post at all.

Joking about produces responses. No responses means no info.

I didn't say it didn't produce responses. I said it didn't produce useful responses.

WTH? The joking about/random vote phase gets the game started. In there, someone says something, someone disagrees and responds, and kaboom! You have a topic to discuss. Saying the joking stage doesn't do anything useful is ludicrous.

Joking about produces responses. No responses means no info.

I didn't say it didn't produce responses. I said it didn't produce useful responses.

it produced this thread of conversation...I, too, didnt like your use of the word "townies", almost implies you know what everyone joking were townies..slip up, this early? Hard to tell....lets move to the pressure stage.

what was your motivation behind letting us know you didnt like the random vote (joking) stage?

You answered your own question for me. I wanted to bring an abrupt end to the joking stage and move the game into the main stage. Jokey self-votes and meta-gaming votes are impossible to analyze. So now that we've all gotten it out of our system, let's actually begin playing this game.

Additionally, I realize that this move makes me a lightning rod for votes. That's fine. I've got no reason to shy away from them and it invites people to judge others on who is using good logic and who isn't.

What's wrong with just letting the game run it's natural course? At some point, someone will post a contraversial comment, possibly a scum, why did you decide to artificially end the random vote stage without us getting anything useful out of it (if you're town)

Well I guess you did indeed end the random (joke) stage....since this stage bothers you, how do you normally start a game? Attack the random (joke) vote stage? If that stage wasnt there, what would you do?

I didn't say that I had a better plan or even that I have a different style. I said I realized why some people don't like it.

Look at posts 19-23. Nekka-Lucifer votes for himself, so Albert B. Rampage and Dragon Phoenix vote for Nekka (with DP listing his reason in quasi-jest(?)), then Battle Mage votes for Dragon Phoenix.

What can be learned from that sequence of events? Absolutely nothing. It's obvious that the voting isn't random, but is it serious? Who knows. The one thing I know is that confusion, chaos, and sarcasm will always help scum more than town. So if I can bring the random (joke) stage to a quick end, then I've eliminated a scum-advantage.

It's not true that nothing can be learnt from that series of events, BM jumping on Nekka's wagon, and then voting DP for voting Nekka, which is what he just did, kinda says to me that BM may have double standars, or that Nekka and BM may be scum-partners, BM was voting Nekka to distance, but as soon as a better target came up, DP, he voted him. BM will still be credited as voting Nekka at some point, but it wasn't for very long at all. The random vote stage gets the game started, trying to deny it is like trying to deny that the Earth exists.

First of all, saying "townies" is not a scumtell. However, it was an open invitation to prod, so both CKD and Jordan were justified in questioning me and look townie for doing so.

So, saying "townies" is not a scumtell, but questioning someone saying it is not scummy either. How does that work?

I didn't agree with him keeping his vote on Gage, but, tbh, I think it's a pretty big towntell, I believe that a scum would have taken his vote right off a claimed mason, because they're trying to be careful, and not look like they're voting for townies, since a scum knows who's scum, assuming that Gage is infact a mason, then scum would know that Gage is a mason, and that his partner will clear him soon, so a scum, trying to look as townie as possible, will almost certainly take their vote off Gage.

I don't find anything too scummy in any posts after this.

Conclusion

: I think he's protown, because of him keeping his vote on Gage, but I still want him to answer my questions.

pete d's first post seemed suspiciously indecisive in terms of votes/FOS's, one minor FOS after reading 10 and a half pages seems woefully lacking to me.

Yeah, I'm finding it hard to get a strong read on anyone at the moment. Nobody has done anything extremely scummy yet, I think a minor FoS was appropriate in the situation

Sorry, but I simply can't believe you can't get a stong read on anyone in 10 pages, either you're not trying or you're trying not to get on the wrong side of anyone.

In his next post, he voted Nekka for the post I highlighted as scummy in the above analysis (the one where he threatened BM with a vote). Seems alright, until I got to

pete d wrote:
It's another nothing post.

I don't agree with this point at all, Nekka has contributed a decent amount to the game IMO, saying he hasn't feels like you're streching for reasons to back up your vote.

Read over Nekka's posts. I maintain that while Nekka has posted a fair bit, he hasn't really given much helpful contributions or suspicions (except for BM)

Hang on, I have read through Nekka's posts, and in fact, you're right, he hasn't given many suspicions at all, well spotted actually.

FOS: Nekka

I want a list of your top 3 suspects Nekka. I do believe you haven't responded to the question I asked in my PBPA either.

In his next post, he FOS's Nekka and BM (taking the middle road in their argument), only they're not FOS's, they are "Minor FOS"'s and "Sort of FOS"'s. What's wrong with a simple FOS, or are you worried that you might get into an argument that results in votes on you and you being put in centre stage (i.e: Something that scums fear).

Not really, like I said, I'm not getting a real strong read from anyone at the moment

Already said what I think of this.

And finally, why is Nekka asking whether BM has finished his analysis yet worthy of a vote at all?

It felt to me like he was trying to throw suspicion on BM. He didn't directly ask BM, he asked everyone, so it felt like a loaded question. Also, I had previously put on an FoS with reasons.

Not really, he might just be asking how far BM is into his analysis.

It definatly isn't worthy of a vote IMO.

If it makes you feel better, I'd vote for CKD or Nekka atm, with BM one level down if you understand what I'm saying.

This backing down and trying to appease me does not look good for you pete.

why

why not?

This is not a good response MOS, I;m going to ask you upfront, why are you voting me, and why is ABR voting me a good thing?

After analysing everyone, my vote will go to one of MOS, Nekka and pete, depending on how they respond to my questions.

[Yaw]

MoS asked me to post that he'll be V/LA through Tuesday. Thanks.

[pete d]

Not really, he might just be asking how far BM is into his analysis. It definatly isn't worthy of a vote IMO.

Also, I had previously put on an FoS with reasons.

^ reasons which you agree with btw

This backing down and trying to appease me does not look good for you pete.

It's not backing down, I just clarified my position. It was completely consistant with my previous posts.