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[Raskolnikov]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65286

Everyone fucked up early but at one point d2-3 scum mutually hard pushed each other.
I preferred lynching the scum I felt more confident on than the other one, but compromised on the other one in meh fashion for the d3 lynch as I saw them as possibly both scum anyways.
And I looked really bad as a partner in that case for that preference.

This guy MagnaOfIllusion just came in before that lynch and was CONSTANTLY pushing me on associations and scumteams for the rest of the game and it was annoying as fuck because it was all earlygame stuff I couldn't say a word to, and eventually the lynchpool d4/pre-lylo boiled down to me and another person I KNEW was town but I had to lynch them over myself because those were the only two options this guy even allowed. He had reasoning like "if it was a really good bus as you theorise then why weren't you convinced by it?" and "oh you defending yourself like this is the classic scum move when they're under pressure" and so on and we kept having arguments where after days and days it broke down and I basically called him ignorant and delusional and he told me to get bent, and literally replacements into the game are what saved me because they had different views and weren't around early. The worst part was scum wasn't even playing well they were actually completely terrible and obvious because it looked like an easy win.

Even I was having some trouble because none of the teams made sense with a third but I followed my individual reads and stuck true, and finally we got the lynch in lylo because he "would feel less bad losing to me-scum than lurkersac obvscummcgee" and didn't even really change his mind, and won right there as it turned out it was actually traitor third in the end (I know this is a HUGE taboo to ever mention or bring up for some reason but fuck it) and if I did a single conciliatory action or listened to anybody else that game was a loss. But in this case the only other viewpoint in the game that remotely makes sense is jaack's.

[Raskolnikov]

Meh, would scum!GM push a counterwagon to GI?

GM sat on that vote for most of the day and actually didn't push either GI or vic lategame if you recall (why would I keep reading the posts of my scumread it would just make me angry?)

[Raskolnikov]

*lateday

[Creature]

Okay, who fueled the Victor wagon?

[Raskolnikov]

It was a stagnant vote until greyice himself started it again and then maria and me hopped on.

[Creature]

Okay, apparently GM played a major role D1.

[Raskolnikov]

How do you play this entire time without reading d1 T_T

[Creature]

I didn't experience Day 1 to the fullest, this is why I don't know much.

[Hoopla]

Apologies for missing the last day or so, life stuff etc.

I see I'm a candidate for the noose again. Unfortunately I haven't had the time or means to solve this game as well as I'd like and ultimately I'm still fine with lynching Rask, goodmorning or Creature and will support any of those wagons other than mine.

If I do die, massclaim needs to happen tomorrow, and since I will be confirmed town, refer to this post for massclaim order: Rask, Creature, goodmorning, Jack, BV.

Catching up again now...

[Raskolnikov]

I don't see how being equally fine lynching me or goodmorning makes any sense when you think about it.

[CloudKicker]

Not sure if hoop is the way to go, i know most of you didnt have the same feeling as i did but imo he towntold fmpov before outed, that mightve been an chainsaw but id prefer crea/rask today, crea needs to give good content

[Hoopla]

I don't see how being equally fine lynching me or goodmorning makes any sense when you think about it.

why?

[MariaR]

VOTE: Hoop

This is L-1 best way to go I'm very confused at how things are playing out between creature/BV

[Hoopla]

this apple on apple violence has to stop

[Hoopla]

I don't think goodmorning/Maria are a team due to both of them actively choosing not to bus Sotty when she was going down. When one scum defends or chainsaws, the other scum tends to counterbalance the other and not do the same thing (especially when it's a thing that obviously links you to that dying scum).

Rask's best partner is probably goodmorning with a chance of it being Creature. Creature/goodmorning work pretty fine as Creature's play when Sotty going down doesn't discount him. I still don't see Maria being scum as that likely, but her best partner is Rask, I think.

Regardless, I'd still lynch from the Rask/gm/Creature for the rest of the game once I'm gone and hope the scumteam is in there. But then again, the town has such polarised reads, I don't expect this to happen...

[BlackVoid]

Can we just lynch Creature then? I don't think Rask is happening today since we even if Arona votes him, he still needs one more vote and GM is townreading him. Sableheart voting BBT at the time he did to push it as a counterwagon does make sense as a Sotty7 buddy I think and nothing Creature hasn't struck me as amazingly town or anything like that. I don't feel confident Hoopla is scum but she has that consistent, logical style where I feel like the longer she's alive, I can get an accurate read on her.

[MariaR]

BV what the srs fuck is going on with your read progression you talked and tried to convince Creature to vote before and you've called him your biggest tr if I'm not mistaken (for wrong reasons) so how does he go from a top tr to lynchable
how do I go to lynchable to not lynchable to you?????????

[Hoopla]

BV, I don't think we'd have the support for Creature? We tried that earlier in the day. I think we have a better shot of getting Rask or goodmorning lynched over myself...

[Raskolnikov]

Where were you when I was trying to lynch goodmorning again?

[BlackVoid]

Rask's best partner is probably goodmorning

I've been thinking about this all day so it's funny that you bring it up now. Her townreading Rask back after his case on her is really weird and she put the onus on me to explain why Rask's case on her was scummy. But from my read of D1, her interaction with Sotty7 looked very natural, she almost committed to voting Sotty7 over BBT (why even do that when she was already scumreading BBT anyways?) I didn't find anything suspect in her progression there, Victor was her top scumread so it doesn't bother me that she never moved off of the Victor wagon especially when GreyICE replaced in and started hard-pushing it. Rask did act like a GM scumflip would vindicate him though.

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: Hoop

This is L-1 best way to go I'm very confused at how things are playing out between creature/BV

I thought you wanted creat/bv ? why this vote

[MariaR]

VOTE: Hoop

This is L-1 best way to go I'm very confused at how things are playing out between creature/BV

I thought you wanted creat/bv ? why this vote

I don't see BV/Creature getting lynched today that's all

[CloudKicker]

Why dont you even try ? BV just outed that he might want to flip it to creat, why not just unvote here and then vote creature ? Are you afraid because youre starting to believe that one of them is town etc ?

[MariaR]

Cloud I've been trying all fucking day -_-
and yeah a bit the fact they went from being buddy buddy to going at each other really is weird for me

[BlackVoid]

I'm bussing him like I bussed Sotty7. If you want him dead, you can help me with that.