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Post Post #2675 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:43 am

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In post 2614, BlackVoid wrote:@Jaack, I still think you should ask yourself, if not Rask then who? I have a hard time seeing a scumteam outside of Rask. The only one I can see is Creature and MariaR but it's a bit iffy. There's also the IAI nightkill. IAI mildly suspected Rask saying that he thought Rask was just telling him what he wanted to hear which is exactly how I felt about Rask at times. If no one sticks out as obviously scummy, I think it points to one of the better players being scum and Rask and Sotty7 fit as a team extremely well. One other thing - when Sotty7 started D2 by voting Rask, my initial thought was "that's probably a bus vote." I think she anticipated pressure D2 based on the TwoFace kill and wanted to start by distancing.
I don't think the IAI stuff matters much tbh. I'm pretty sure based on how D2 progressed that scum knew IAI was the second mason by N1 and was hoping he'd get vigged and/or town would lynch him D2. That didn't happen and was unlikely to do so in the future, so they killed him N2. I don't think scumRask would feel any need to nk IAI over a mild scumread.

As for who else, I don't think Maria/Hoopla is unlikely as you say. In fact I don't really feel ready to rule out any Hoopla combos...

I'm also not willing to town clear cloud like all yall seem wont to do, but I know it's pointless to argue that at this time.

I'm willing to reconsider rask as a lynch candidate tho, but I think you're stretching a little.
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Post Post #2676 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:04 am

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I mean it's kind of time to start wrapping the day up at this point.
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Post Post #2677 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:08 am

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Jaack if not GM, what do you prefer out of maria/hoopla?

You and arona should ideally take some leadership at this point tbh.
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Post Post #2678 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:20 am

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Id be down for rask/creat so far, i think hoop towntold more than those 2
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Post Post #2679 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:21 am

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I'd like to take leadership, but my reads are too muddled to really have the urge to push something through at this point.

Between Maria and Hoopla, I think Hoopla is probably more likely to flip scum. I can definitely see a scenario where she bussed sotty because she knew sotty''s tracker claim was not going to hold up.
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Post Post #2680 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:22 am

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Also if rask get lynched its mosltly out of respect to her scumplay and the slight meta i got on her
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Post Post #2681 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:22 am

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oh look at jaack coming around with the same read i outed at day start, funny
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Post Post #2682 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:55 am

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I'm not lynching Rask sorry I told yall who I'd lynch
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Post Post #2683 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:32 pm

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If not Rask, I'm willing to compromise on MariaR - that's my second choice. I'm not as confident she'll flip scum as I am for Rask though.
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Post Post #2684 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:59 pm

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Honestly I don't get why people won't work on BV/Creature more a lot of people have me in these scumteams and none of yall are voting me it's like???
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Post Post #2685 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:02 pm

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But seriously Jaack, Rask keeps saying that he was totally scumreading Sotty7 to the point of never considering that she was town. Yet, Rask was never the driving force behind the Sotty7 wagon any of the three times that she was wagoned. D1, it was TwoFace and you. D2, it was us both times. Rask was in the background and his vote always came when it looked like Sotty7 would be lynched. But it's never been Rask telling people that she should be lynched. He was quick to move to Victor D1 (MariaR also did this), spent most of his time on GM during the first D2 wagon, and voted Cloud before he voted Sotty7 on the final D2 wagon. Remember that Victor was an actual townread on Rask's when he voted him. Why so quick to abandon the Sotty7 wagon despite scumreading her, despite TwoFace continuing to push the wagon, despite his speculation that GreyICE was a Sotty7 partner? If he really believed that, he would have stuck with Sotty7 with the worst case being GreyICE would get lynched anyways. But he actively pushed Victor as a counterwagon.
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Post Post #2686 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:04 pm

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In post 2684, MariaR wrote:Honestly I don't get why people won't work on BV/Creature more a lot of people have me in these scumteams and none of yall are voting me it's like???
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I guess I'll vote you to find common ground with Jaack since you really seem to want to get lynched. But I do want Jaack and others to see where I'm coming from with Rask.
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Post Post #2687 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:07 pm

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In post 2686, BlackVoid wrote:
In post 2684, MariaR wrote:Honestly I don't get why people won't work on BV/Creature more a lot of people have me in these scumteams and none of yall are voting me it's like???
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I guess I'll vote you to find common ground with Jaack since you really seem to want to get lynched. But I do want Jaack and others to see where I'm coming from with Rask.
I don't want to get lynched but I'm getting bad vibes from all this to be quite honest.
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Post Post #2688 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:10 pm

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Well, you seem to be getting bad vibes from every push I make. If your only criteria for a good lynch is one that I'm not on, I don't think we're going to get anywhere.
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Post Post #2689 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:11 pm

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It's not you I'm talking about blackvoid.
Almost everyone has outted that I could be in a team with someone and not a single person is voting me so like? I don't see how that makes sense to people
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Post Post #2690 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:13 pm

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That's been true of most people though, not just you. A lot of people have been considering possible teams. You keep saying it's definitely Creature and me. But you should consider why Rask is hard-townreading me and Creature if we're the scumteam. Have we just pulled the wool over his eyes so effectively that he absolutely refuses to lynch any of the scum in the game?
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Post Post #2691 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:15 pm

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In post 2690, BlackVoid wrote:That's been true of most people though, not just you. A lot of people have been considering possible teams. You keep saying it's definitely Creature and me. But you should consider why Rask is hard-townreading me and Creature if we're the scumteam. Have we just pulled the wool over his eyes so effectively that he absolutely refuses to lynch any of the scum in the game?
I have been thinking of other teams just because I'm not typing it out in a post doesn't mean I'm not thinking of other teams Rasks been one of my top townreads the whole game I will admit your case got me a bit shakey but I still believe in the tr.
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Post Post #2692 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:20 pm

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Yeah, I can definitely see the pattern with rask and the sotty wagons, but I'm still feeling rask is reasonably town.

That being said, I could probably talk myself into voting for rask since my scumfeels towards Maria aren't all that strong. I'll give rask a second review to see if my townfeels there are based too much on my memory.
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Post Post #2693 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:20 pm

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Maria please please vote gm with me then if your town. I 100% guarantee you it flips red. BV's not being lynched today and neither creature. Remember our last game where you mislynched my best townread in the game jakefsf d1 please >_>
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Post Post #2694 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:21 pm

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like what teams are we looking at here not counting you and creature
GM/Hoopia? ehh
Hoopia/Rask ehhhh
GM/Rask (lol)
Creature/me (my fav <3)

Pedit: YOUR BEST FUCKING TOWNREAD WAS A DICK OKAY RASK
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Post Post #2695 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:21 pm

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JACOB WAS FUCKING BEGGING TO BE LYNCHED WHEN HIS TOP SR WAS MY BIGGEST TR (THE FUCKING TRACKER TY)
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Post Post #2696 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:23 pm

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As I relearn every game, being a dick isn't scum indicative. If anything a trend to the opposite...
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Post Post #2697 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:24 pm

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The only team I see GM in is Hoopia and that just seems like everyones backup list and that makes me want to vomit
because she's voting Blackvoid/Creature all with the intent of getting them lynched I am pretty sure
What makes you sr the slot so badly

Pedit: If there less dickish I feel bad about lynching them :)
I'm pretty sure the Creature/BV wagon isn't happening cause the oranges are dicks
so I guess i'm re reading isos lol
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Post Post #2698 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:24 pm

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Wonder if I can make up a jack sr again....
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Post Post #2699 (ISO) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:26 pm

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It's not "ehhh" GM hoopla is LITERALLY the case if you're the town in that trifecta.
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