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[Lil Uzi Vert]

@nn30: Agree to disagree.

@Josh: Your vote on Penguin didn't look random. It seemed like you laid down a serious vote for 1-Shot and changed it to Penguin because you were scum reading him for his little debate with TB. Either way, lying about not reading your role PM when the mod said everyone had confirmed in 6 does not sit well with me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Josh

It was random and I've already explained why and id like you to explain what possible scum motivation would have for random voting with no reason and changing their vote to someone else minutes later with an actual explanation.

Just said that it didn't look random to me. Restating that it wasn't random isn't going to change my opinion.

The vote hopping could be an attempt for you to look like you're busy.

[Pine]

Best advice I can give you is to read some new player's guides and more newbie games. Then play a bit reserved and cautious until you have a handle on the culture here.

If it helps, my first non-Newbie game here went much the same way as this one. I made some cultural missteps, got run up quick, and only a last minute freak-out like yours saved me from being lynched. We went on to win pretty flawlessly. You're not alone.

Failing that, something else you could do is shadow a more experienced player, or even hydra with them. That way, you can know their alignment and genuine reasoning, get guidance, and not make these kinds of mistakes. Assuming you do indeed flip Town and this wasn't just a big appeal to emotion, I'll volunteer for the mentoring position as penance for this mislynch.

@Josh

[ThinkBig]

I'll also volunteer as a mentor to Josh. I remember when I started playing on debate.org before migrating to Mafiascum. It's a much different culture here than it is there and I've learned a lot in my short time here.

[Garmr]

Garmr - to me both pine and TB came out a bit scummy from that stuff but TB was more scummy to me what you see as trying to figure it out seems more like a convenient fake of scum-hunting - FoS on both

I think tb was actually trying to work out 1shot and that gives him a little town lean his other posting is pretty meh and I can see where your coming from. Also I changed my mind after the shower i will say whats on my mind instead of waiting I think 1 shot and pine are linked. I think pine was ready to bus a buddy and josh was a convenient way to move his vote off him.

@josh - Town of Salem experience does not apply. The game is played VASTLY different there. The other site probably doesn't apply either - most sites that are not MS are essentially random lynching most of the time, or else overly rely on PRs.

Also, get an avatar you hippy scumfuck.

@Mod This is why you have your players confirm their role by PM. Please require that Josh does so

Uncertain whether scummy actions by Josh are newbie VI stuff or if "I don't know my role" is a ploy.

PEdit: It's against the rules for a reason. Not knowing your role makes it impossible to play to your wincon, which is an enforced rule.

Also notice here how he says if his unsure if it's scummy actions or vi stuff while actually helping him. It seems like artificial doubt his trying to place waiting for the flip. I feel like if he was town he would start reassuring other scum reads at this point while maintaining pressure on josh because this is where tunnel vision should stop.

[Garmr]

I don't think josh is hammered...

[ThinkBig]

I don't think josh is hammered...

Yes, he is. At least according to my vote count. It takes 5 to lynch and there are 6 votes on him.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Garmar:

Why would scum feel the need to try to bus early?

pedit: Yeah I'm pretty sure it takes 7 to hammer. My apologizes for not starting that he was at L-2, I should have been more aware.

[Pine]

Hey garmr, your hardon for me is showing. Two inches? Pathetic.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@TB:

This is a mini, it should take 7 unless the rules changed over night.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Garmar:

Why would scum feel the need to try to bus early?

pedit: Yeah I'm pretty sure it takes 7 to hammer. My apologizes for not stating that he was at L-2, I should have been more aware.

EBWOP

[ThinkBig]

Doh. It does take 7 to lynch. Josh is at L-1.

I can't math tonight.

[ThinkBig]

UNVOTE:

I'm un-voting for now to avoid accidental hammer.

[drealmerz7]

7 to hammer folks

it's an act FFS!!

fuck the hammer...GET AN AXE!!

[drealmerz7]

OMG I was just going to say TB and Pine are part of this act, or one of them is, pretending to think the hammer

and it's fucking TB

[drealmerz7]

why not hammer?! self vote...this is all an act...omg...KILLLLLLKILLLKILLLLLLLLL

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Josh is at L-2

Please do not hammer without giving intent and everyone has had a chance to discuss the claim.

[drealmerz7]

ooof, that is definitely not how I'm used to doing it

I mean, yeah, you get a claim and give time for ppl to get off if they want, but, the self-vote AtE-fest super-cedes all of that, imo, combined with a VT claim...yeahhhh....there's no question, all time does it give bussers time to get off or the wagon to stall and doubt to raise - it's scum tactics, in my experience anyway

[ThinkBig]

To reiterate, here is the case against Joshz:

1. Lying about reading PM and not knowing his alignment
   
2. Self-voting when called out on his lie
   
3. Has given up and has a defeatist attitude

Personally, I think 1 and 2 qualify for a policy lynch. I want to wait to see if the mod will force replace him or modkill him.

[Garmr]

@Garmar:

Why would scum feel the need to try to bus early?

pedit: Yeah I'm pretty sure it takes 7 to hammer. My apologizes for not starting that he was at L-2, I should have been more aware.

Because there's no danger early game to do so. Town don't want short days they want long days to get as much info out of players as possible so early wagons tend to dissolve into nothing and the player can get off scott free as they tend not to be lynched at the end of the day. Then you could warp that information into a variety of things.

[Garmr]

Hey garmr, your hardon for me is showing. Two inches? Pathetic.

Can you tell me why you feel the need to get worked up over me thinking your scum? No one else is voting you right now why are showing the fact you are being pressured.

[Pine]

Unvote

I am inclined to believe the breakdown. Like I said, my first non-Newbie game something similar happened to me. Josh doesn't strike me as having the guile to pull off such a convincing AtE.

This doesn't preclude him being scum, as I think the "I didn't read my role PM" thing sounds believable, but it does suggest we give him a full reset, let him recover, and judge him from this point forward.

Josh, go read your role PM, compose yourself, and engage with this thread. Consider this a Newbie Plus game.

PEdit: I'm not getting worked up, garmr. I'm mocking your "case." Being dismissive is actually kind of the literal opposite of getting worked up.

[Garmr]

No the real question is why should a town feel pressured at 1 vote.

[ThinkBig]

@Josh, if at any point in the game you have a question about Mafia, I will be willing to give you an answer to the best I can.

I do tend to agree that Josh is probably too new to pull of AtE. BUT I do think he's lying about not reading his role PM.

[drealmerz7]

I don't think the mod will do anything, but I am okay to wait and see (obviously.) As pointed out, 13/13 confirmed. It's a lie. It's up to us to move forward.

...eghh...I already feel like a good wagon has stalled...it's not a good feeling.

*patience*

[ThinkBig]

I don't think the mod will do anything, but I am okay to wait and see (obviously.) As pointed out, 13/13 confirmed. It's a lie. It's up to us to move forward.

As I mentioned, I absolutely believe josh was lying and that we should lynch all liars. He's certainly the best lynch as of now, but it's way too soon to end the DP.