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[mhsmith0]

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Raskolnikov (1)

BlackVoid ,

goodmorning (1)

Raskolnikov ,

Creature (1)

Hoopla ,

BlackVoid (2)

goodmorning , MariaR ,

CloudKicker (1)

aronagrundy ,

Not Voting (3)

CloudKicker , Jaack , Creature ,

Day three deadline is Thursday December 1, 12 AM PST. (expired on 2016-12-01 00:00:00)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch!

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[Raskolnikov]

Well, when people asked you about your scumreads it sounded like you had no idea what you were talking about or worse like you never actually thought of it to that level of depth before.
And when I raised points on BV your answers were like "uhm idk I guess it could happen" and not really convincing. Things like "scum bussed sotty so they could lynch me next" is a stretch on it's own, but I didn't notice you mention that before I asked so idk if you just came up with it for that specific answer.

[MariaR]

Sub me out didn't steal smith's page top I am a failure

[MariaR]

Well, when people asked you about your scumreads it sounded like you had no idea what you were talking about or worse like you never actually thought of it to that level of depth before.
And when I raised points on BV your answers were like "uhm idk I guess it could happen" and not really convincing. Things like "scum bussed sotty so they could lynch me next" is a stretch on it's own, but I didn't notice you mention that before I asked so idk if you just came up with it for that specific answer.

You say that's a stretch but to me it doesn't seem like one lol and you're worried that I'm trying to solve the game?
Rask when will you not take me as some VI and as a player in this game

[Jaack]

Meh... I don't really like any of the lynches being discussed.

I'd rather not lynch rask or gm. I think that BV points on rask might have merit but at the same time rask looks rather town to me and has for most of the game.

I've stated why I don't really want to lynch GM. I might be willing to compromise at deadline if there are no other options, but again, rather not.

BlackVoid is town and I'm not lynching that.

I could lynch any of the other candidates reasonably willingly but I'm going to need to be convinced.

[aronagrundy]

prod received, sorry should've v/la'd for thanksgiving

[aronagrundy]

unvote

[Creature]

idk what

[Creature]

5 days

[Creature]

Analysis of Gamestate:
So basically we're in 2 camps atm, which I'll refer to as apples and oranges because why not.

Apples: GM, Maria, Cloud, Hoopla
Oranges: Rask, Creature, BV, arona, Jaack?

Which means we all know who's getting lynched today.

I don't know where I was going with this. I volunteer as tribute?

[Creature]

Okay, don't think gm is the way to go.

[Creature]

Hey Rask, I'd like some opinion there: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=67472

[Creature]

I know some of you don't want meta, but I don't know how else I should go.

[BlackVoid]

I think that BV points on rask might have merit but at the same time rask looks rather town to me and has for most of the game.

The biggest hangup for me was when his reads stopped making sense and it looked like he was trying to force-fit them. He insists it has to be two of GM, Hoopla, and MariaR but none of them make sense. GM's interactions with Sotty7 look bad but really aren't bad which I think Rask is ignoring. He's basically taking some of the annoying things GM is doing and calling them scummy. Creature hasn't been posting much lately but he's pretty steadfast in a townread there despite the other pairings not really fitting. I think he decided to townread Creature either to defend a partner or buddy a townie and is sticking with that.

[BlackVoid]

@Jaack, I still think you should ask yourself, if not Rask then who? I have a hard time seeing a scumteam outside of Rask. The only one I can see is Creature and MariaR but it's a bit iffy. There's also the IAI nightkill. IAI mildly suspected Rask saying that he thought Rask was just telling him what he wanted to hear which is exactly how I felt about Rask at times. If no one sticks out as obviously scummy, I think it points to one of the better players being scum and Rask and Sotty7 fit as a team extremely well. One other thing - when Sotty7 started D2 by voting Rask, my initial thought was "that's probably a bus vote." I think she anticipated pressure D2 based on the TwoFace kill and wanted to start by distancing.

[Hoopla]

This game is following the blueprint of the previous two days where we hit a stalemate on wagons and end up waiting until the last couple of days to frantically organise something. Although, it worked yesterday in lynching Sotty.

I feel like most of my lynch candidates have dropped some AtE

"well, it doesn't matter if I'm lynched"

contentedness; Maria's done it, goodmorning has volunteered herself as tribute, Rask has been relentless in including situations where he gets lynched. Hell, even I did it yesterday. It's clear these tells aren't as reliable as they have once been (I've often found these tells to be pretty town looking in the past), and I don't know which ones to discount and which ones to consider valid. The fact that everyone is doing it makes me want to throw the baby out with the bathwater and just call them all null.

Of everyone's I think I find gm's least convincing because it's happened after everyone else's and she's witnessed firsthand in this game how the players perceive these sort of things. Rask should have been reasonably comfortable that including himself in PoE at times wouldn't actually lead to his lynch, so I can't give credit to that. Maria's seems most sincere, and I haven't witnessed similar things from Creature yet.

Soooo, I guess in saying all that, I'm still pro-Creature and am waiting for compromise there, otherwise I will compromise on either gm or Rask. Still thinking about BV's points on Rask.

[Creature]

Hey Hoopla, what's your opinion on meta?

[Creature]

You seem like some analytical player, so maybe you'd not mind making meta analysis.

[Raskolnikov]

Well, I think you're full of it, and don't have a franky meta. I have a hard time believing you find obvi scum in franky in his 11 posts in 3 pages. Looks to me like a setup to eventually counter claim if things got rough for you.

EVERY single other person has at least a lean of a read, and yet all you have for me is "Uncc'd pr". The only explanation for this is you're leaving a counter claim open. Sneaky devil. I'll be voting you tomorrow if I'm not dead. Which I think it's 50/50 depending on if you want to wifom town into thinking I'm scum or not.

If I was going to CC you I'd have done it already; I don't believe in letting PRs sit unchallenged if I can challenge them.

I think I've made it clear what read I'd currently have on you if you weren't an unCC'd PR, but you are one, so I don't need it. I'm not actually going to waste any more time on this.

also the way she just dismissed all my posts about the cy slot by saying that they are tiring her is shit

That's not a thing I've said about a predecessor's posts here or ever!

I did say that your entire ISO was tiring me, because it was! Trying to parse anything alignment-indicative in all that was giving me a major headache.

Gm: when a player say either X or y could a an sk, I have to ask why doesn't he think they are scum together?

I don't think that's actually what he meant but you do kinda have a point?

@Jiffy p39 Shinobi case: I'm actually... kind of OK with that? But I'm also pretty OK with Shinobi's defense so... idk.

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Guys my internet is bad and you post too much stop making this hard ffs

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@Bins: idgi but ok

@p42 generally: oh hey shinobi is actually town even though the thing about bins doesn't actually make sense

re lane 1048: shinobi is right, too dumb to be scum 100%

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guys why is shinobi the top wagon, give me a break here

You just said you're kind of ok with the Shinobi case then questioned the wagon are you kidding me

You just said you're kind of ok with the Shinobi case then questioned the wagon are you kidding me

that was on like page 39 jiffy

on page 42 i decided shinobi was town

get with the program

p-edit: guys srsly

alpaca wagon come on

What differences are you seeing creature?

[Hoopla]

Hey Hoopla, what's your opinion on meta?

it's okay in certain situations where applied correctly. most people don't and come to lazy conclusions by just looking for the things they want to see, though.

why do you ask, young creature?

[Creature]

What differences are you seeing creature?

She didn't come with that apple/orange thing and blah blah blah?

[Creature]

Okay, apparently I can't use meta right now as scum probably started to imitate their town selves rn.

[Hoopla]

Okay, apparently I can't use meta right now as scum probably started to imitate their town selves rn.

those darn scumbags!

[Raskolnikov]

She replaced into that game around mid-late d1, made a catchup, fluffed around the wagon similar to here d1 and was insta lynched on start of d2.
The game wasn't divided into 2 main camps and she didn't even get that far in so it's not really even comparable (and even then what do you make of that point? she didn't say apples/oranges in that game so it's a towntell?).

[Creature]

How boring do you think BlackVoid has been this game?