Mini 536: Heroes Smalltown. Game Over!

[Seol]

Yet another question (sorry should have read closer, most were answered in the rules)

-If Nathan and Eden target the same person, will Eden redirect both actions, or a single one and if only one action how is it decided which one she redirects?

She will only redirect the first action.

[curiouskarmadog]

I will go with HRG

[mathcam]

Seol, now that we're done drafting, do you think could include role info in the first post? It'd be nice to have constant reminders of which player goes with which role (not the full explanation, just the job name, like Influencer, Networker, etc.)

Cam

[Seol]

The role allocation list and role descriptor for all players is now duplicated in the first post. Alignments are in the process of being sent out: it is now day 1.

[YvonneSeer]

vote: Oman

For drafting the role that I originally wanted.

[Thestatusquo]

Vote: Zoneface

[mathcam]

Until I see something particularly scummy, it seems sensible to figure out which of the roles are significantly more harmful if they are in the hands of scum than they are beneficial if they're in the hands of pro-town players. I haven't given a

lot

of thought to which roles fit into this category, but I think the one that stands out the most to me is the Subliminal Influencer -- while it's conceivable he could determine a scum player by switching the kill to someone else, it's somewhat unlikely and not a 100% guarantee. On the other hand, there's potential to cause massive confusion among pro-town roles by screwing with investigation-type results.

Consequently, I think for a first vote, I'll

Vote: Oman.

Cam

[shaft.ed]

Until I see something particularly scummy, it seems sensible to figure out which of the roles are significantly more harmful if they are in the hands of scum than they are beneficial if they're in the hands of pro-town players. I haven't given a

lot

of thought to which roles fit into this category, but I think the one that stands out the most to me is the Subliminal Influencer -- while it's conceivable he could determine a scum player by switching the kill to someone else, it's somewhat unlikely and not a 100% guarantee. On the other hand, there's potential to cause massive confusion among pro-town roles by screwing with investigation-type results.

Consequently, I think for a first vote, I'll

Vote: Oman.

Cam

By your logic The Haitain is the most antitown. He's an investigation immune roleblocker that can't block any kills except for Ted's who's a vig likely to be protown. I don't see how any of that is helpful.

vote: Cam

for poor logic

[YvonneSeer]

If I'm not mistaken, the NKs are non-Powers and therefore cannot be redirected, so a pro-town Eden would not be able to determine the scum or SK using that method. I've given Eden quite a bit of thought as it was a role that I had originally wanted and I think it's quite a versatile role and can be potentially very dangerous if scum or SK have this role.

[JDodge]

Until I see something particularly scummy, it seems sensible to figure out which of the roles are significantly more harmful if they are in the hands of scum than they are beneficial if they're in the hands of pro-town players. I haven't given a

lot

of thought to which roles fit into this category, but I think the one that stands out the most to me is the Subliminal Influencer -- while it's conceivable he could determine a scum player by switching the kill to someone else, it's somewhat unlikely and not a 100% guarantee. On the other hand, there's potential to cause massive confusion among pro-town roles by screwing with investigation-type results.

Consequently, I think for a first vote, I'll

Vote: Oman.

Cam

By your logic The Haitain is the most antitown. He's an investigation immune roleblocker that can't block any kills except for Ted's who's a vig likely to be protown. I don't see how any of that is helpful.

vote: Cam

for poor logic

Investigating me is pointless

because

people know this already.

Thus Eden is more dangerous in Cam's logical situation.

Vote: shaft.ed

for even worse logic.

[shaft.ed]

JDodge just because we know you can't be investigated doesn't mean your power is not antitown.

There are situations where Eden's can be decidedly protown, for instance if Linderman, Nathan, Claude, Parkman or Ted are scum. The only protown effect that the Haitian can ever have is by blocking a scum directed Ted explosion.

But yes rereading Cam's post, Eden is can be quite dangerous as scum, but the Haitian role is almost entirely designed with scum in mind.

[JDodge]

JDodge just because we know you can't be investigated doesn't mean your power is not antitown.

There are situations where Eden's can be decidedly protown, for instance if Linderman, Nathan, Claude, Parkman or Ted are scum. The only protown effect that the Haitian can ever have is by blocking a scum directed Ted explosion.

But yes rereading Cam's post, Eden is can be quite dangerous as scum, but the Haitian role is almost entirely designed with scum in mind.

Uh, how?

[JDodge]

It's worth nothing that I'm essentially a night-action-immune version of HRG.

[shaft.ed]

It's worth nothing that I'm essentially a night-action-immune version of HRG.

This is incorrect based on my reading of the rules (which obviously weren't so great). HRG is the only player that can make another player

untargetable

to anyone else in the game, thus from Sylar or the mafia so he is also effectively a Doc. You only block Powers. Directable powers are Watcher, Tracker, Redirector, Motivator, Doctor, and Suicide Vig. If I'm reading correctly HRG also blocks Networking, mafia NK, and Sylar NK. HRG can also block you from targeting someone, but this would be of no consequence as his effect is similar.

[shaft.ed]

Just pointing out I'm usually not posting on the weekends. Have a good random phase.

[mathcam]

I think I agree that the Haitian is more damaging to the town, and I agree with your parsing of the rules, but I need to think about it some more. More striking to me is:

I haven't given a lot of thought to which roles fit into this category, but...

vote: Cam for poor logic

I proposed a strategy for deciding who to vote for, and gave a little thought as to who that might be, with the intent of stimulating discussion and certainly without any claims that I had make an optimal proposal. Saying that it's voteworthily poor logic to have chosen incorrectly seems particularly opportunistic.

Vote: shaft.ed

.

And an

FOS: JDodge

not for anything he did, but for the above discussion of his role.

Cam

[Thestatusquo]

Confirm vote: Zoneface

Stop lurking.

[curiouskarmadog]

vote mathcam

"for proposing a strategy for deciding who to vote for"

quite scummy

[mathcam]

Sorry, I can't tell -- are you serious?

Cam

[Thestatusquo]

FoS: mathcam

[ZONEACE]

Policy OMGUS

VOTE TSQ

[Thestatusquo]

Policy OMGUS

VOTE TSQ

So he admits it. I say we lynch the bastard.

[JDodge]

vote mathcam

"for proposing a strategy for deciding who to vote for"

quite scummy

Are you thinking? At all?

[Thestatusquo]

fos: Jdodge

[curiouskarmadog]

vote mathcam

"for proposing a strategy for deciding who to vote for"

quite scummy

Are you thinking? At all?

who proposes a strategy to vote for someone on the fisrt page of voting just based on roles?