Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

[goodmorning]

(Also,

V/LA until Saturday night

in case I didn't say)

[BlackVoid]

I'm at the point where I believe GM is probably scum and trolling me.

[BlackVoid]

@GM, before you go, please claim. If Cloud's claim somehow checks out, I'm going to push for yours next. I'm having second thoughts about MariaR being scum. If we have to wait until Saturday, it's going to be a huge delay.

[mhsmith0]

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MariaR , Hoopla ,

BlackVoid (2)

goodmorning , CloudKicker ,

CloudKicker (4)

Jaack , aronagrundy , BlackVoid , Raskolnikov L-1,

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Day three deadline is Thursday December 1, 12 AM PST. (expired on 2016-12-01 00:00:00)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch!

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[CloudKicker]

One thing you need to realize is that we have a limited number of mislynches (three) before we lose. I'm asking you to please not force us to waste one on you. If you are a PR, you should be one of the clears. One of the people we POE out so our lynches are more accurate. Getting lynched is the worst outcome. Claiming is not the end of the world. You've been happy to declare intent on anyone that's at L-1. There is no way you are getting away without claiming. Please claim ASAP.

Lo. He demanded I claim when I was at L-2 yesterday. This delaying garbage is a scum tactic to inhibit town discussion. Cloud knows we aren't going anywhere without his claim. He's not even trying to discuss his reads anymore - just delaying.

Not true, i outed several read like yesteday late at night. You guy dont understand why i am not claiming because you dont know my role and cant understand that, theres still 1 week left and theres no need to rush my claim

[CloudKicker]

Also its funny that everyone i actually slightly to townread does have hammer on me and no one made up a bad excuse, like the agenda BV/rask are pushing to hammer me

[CloudKicker]

Look, here's the deal. I'm not even very confident that you are scum. If you are town, I just want you to claim so I can assess it and move on to actual scum.

What you are doing is incredibly anti-town. My vote isn't going away until you claim. Unvoting you at this point would be very, very poor play. This is the ideal scenario you are envisioning:

You get run up to L-1 and multiple people ask for a claim.

Your response: Nope, not claiming.

Town's response: Oh okay, that's fine then. We're good.

That's not how it works on any forum I've played at. I haven't played on Epic Mafia so I can't speak for how it's done there. Asking you for a claim is not scumtelling.

One thing you need to realize is that we have a limited number of mislynches (three) before we lose. I'm asking you to please not force us to waste one on you. If you are a PR, you should be one of the clears. One of the people we POE out so our lynches are more accurate. Getting lynched is the worst outcome. Claiming is not the end of the world. You've been happy to declare intent on anyone that's at L-1. There is no way you are getting away without claiming. Please claim ASAP.

Like i said, not claiming yet, if clear wants a hardclaim he has to ask me directly

He has:

anyway, I would also be down for getting cloud to claim.

VOTE: cloud

Not gonna lie, i dont really care about how forum mafia is played, imo im playing really optimally here for my wincon so if ure town you should seriously drop off my dick and try to trust me a bit here because your kind of push is exactly how i assume scum would act yknow, pushing pr and trying to discredit the way i am play as to let scum get your ''towncred'' to hammer me.

[BlackVoid]

Arona specified that he wanted your claim. He said exactly why he was voting you so quit delaying please.

Pushing you is not a scumtell. Stop kidding yourself.

[CloudKicker]

at this point I kinda dont want to claim just to spite you lmao

[CloudKicker]

We can make a deal, i claim my role not my affix

[BlackVoid]

No, here's a better deal. You fullclaim. If I buy it, then I'll claim. If I'm so scummy to you, you must love to lock me into a claim, right?

[BlackVoid]

Deal is only valid for your very next post. If you delay, I'll eventually convince someone to hammer you and you are not getting my claim. One post.

[Hoopla]

On the whole I'm starting to find Cloud's non-claiming antics quite town for some reason. I just don't see why scum would bother to irate and goad the town into hammering them out of frustration whilst teasing out a claim.

The thing is, when he posts stuff like:

I crumbed my role too btw and my whole d2 was sort of a soft

I dont even know the setup specs and apparently my role is considered weak-ish

...it implies that he's been thinking about a fakeclaim since D2, and a specific claim since the time of that second quote. If he does have an ace up his sleeve as scum and has prepared a fakeclaim since D2, why does he now delay it and risk being hammered and not being able to tell the story he has so carefully sewed? In general I think scum are more likely to appease the town's constant requests, especially if you've had a fakeclaim cooking in the oven and ready to serve.

It's just much simpler to assume he is town and thinks he's playing his role well by doing this. I think the whole shebang is too creative for someone like Cloud to pull off as scum.

[Hoopla]

BlackVoid, your calls for a hammer on Cloud are antitown, and I don't really know what it accomplishes other than punishing Cloud (which in turn probably punishes the town).

[BlackVoid]

There's the possibility that he's town, yeah. But if we run someone up to L-1 and they refuse to claim, I'm not going to just let that slide.

I didn't actually want a hammer. I was hoping that upping the pressure would get him to reveal his claim.

[Hoopla]

Do you agree with my logic that Cloud's shenanigans more often come from town than scum?

[BlackVoid]

I don't care.

[Hoopla]

If you're town, you should.

[BlackVoid]

I'm town. I don't.

[BlackVoid]

By the way, I think refusing to claim at L-1 with intent is anti-town. I don't think continuing to demand that claim is anti-town.

In fact, I'd argue that you showing up and suggesting that he could be town, implicitly trying to let him off is anti-town. Because by doing that, you are undermining the mechanics through which we get claims. You are essentially creating an environment where the next person we pressure can get out of a lynch by refusing to claim.

[CloudKicker]

Maybe you should start to think why i dont want to claim?

[CloudKicker]

ding ding ding

[BlackVoid]

@Hoopla, please hammer him.

[BlackVoid]

Or Creature can do it if you are squemish.

[CloudKicker]

BV wants to ego lynch me cause hes pissed i dont want to claim with 9 ish days left