Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

[MariaR]

This game reminds me of space mafia and I hate it

[CloudKicker]

Joey wtf are you on I've never seen you try this hard before

you remember when i got lynched by soda as doc ? yea no

[CloudKicker]

It's kind of hard to game-solve without looking like I'm game-solving. I should learn how to do it though.

More like it felt fake af and maybe you should try to unvoted if you want any credibility

[Jaack]

Calling the council of not dumb players to analyse 2236.

Feels to me like Maria has decided BV is scum and is looking for reasons to scumread him.

But to resond more specifically, I don't see why BV would have to bus sorry for towncred when he was the most consensus town player there was at the time. Sotty's lynch wasn't inevitable at the time so it's not like he had to move on it to mantain those townreads.

[CloudKicker]

Yes she was inevitable because scum bussed

[MariaR]

Calling the council of not dumb players to analyse 2236.

Feels to me like Maria has decided BV is scum and is looking for reasons to scumread him.

But to resond more specifically, I don't see why BV would have to bus sorry for towncred when he was the most consensus town player there was at the time. Sotty's lynch wasn't inevitable at the time so it's not like he had to move on it to mantain those townreads.

I mean the first part isn't wrong...in fact it's kinda obvious

[aronagrundy]

unvote

Leaning toward maria atm

[MariaR]

unvote

Leaning toward maria atm

What for.

[aronagrundy]

@creature:

BV's logic doesn't make SENSE
he was okay with pushing socty regardless of the tracker claim yeah?
So question why the unvote and "okay" from Cloud when cloud does even worse and just claims pr

Answer: Bv pushed on his partner for towncred and unvoted cloud because cloud is town.

If BV already has towncred, why not push for cloud to be lynched regardless? How would unvoting cloud benefit scum!BV?

Besides, different contexts as far as I can tell. Today there seems to be a bit of a town voting bloc forming, or at least everyone references it and many people are townreading each other, and through PoE there's realistically only a couple people who can be lynched today at this point (you, GM, hoopla, cloud before the claim). I think most people are voting off of townreads and not scumreads (correct me if I'm wrong), so changing wagons is different.

Day 2 seemed to be more confusing and BV seemed to be pushing based on an actual scumread, as did other people. Comment on this if y'all want, since I wasn't there.

Also, how is a tracker claiming with an empty result any more of a towntell than just claiming PR? I'm serious here.

[aronagrundy]

Would also like to comment that BV was a major townread for me during my read and I'm confused as to why we're starting to entertain the theory that he was bussing sotty?

[MariaR]

@creature:

BV's logic doesn't make SENSE
he was okay with pushing socty regardless of the tracker claim yeah?
So question why the unvote and "okay" from Cloud when cloud does even worse and just claims pr

Answer: Bv pushed on his partner for towncred and unvoted cloud because cloud is town.

If BV already has towncred, why not push for cloud to be lynched regardless? How would unvoting cloud benefit scum!BV?

Besides, different contexts as far as I can tell. Today there seems to be a bit of a town voting bloc forming, or at least everyone references it and many people are townreading each other, and through PoE there's realistically only a couple people who can be lynched today at this point (you, GM, hoopla, cloud before the claim). I think most people are voting off of townreads and not scumreads (correct me if I'm wrong), so changing wagons is different.

Day 2 seemed to be more confusing and BV seemed to be pushing based on an actual scumread, as did other people. Comment on this if y'all want, since I wasn't there.

Also, how is a tracker claiming with an empty result any more of a towntell than just claiming PR? I'm serious here.

The thing is if BV wasn't okay with a tracker claim why is he okay with an empty pr claim I think a lot of the sr on me is because I sr people inside the townblock and that's not gonna randomly stop people act like the scoty flip should just insta change my reads and it won't yes I hard defended Scoty but I thought they were town because my biggest sr's were on the wagon and I didn't understand the whole sr I don't regret it hell I don't regret any of my play this game
If I'm going to be lynched because of poe I can be okay with that
I can't be okay with going down for being scummy because to me I wasn't I was wrong everyone is at points

[MariaR]

Show me quotes for the BV towntell please.

[MariaR]

If I'm scummy for pushing in the townblock I'll forever be scummy and yeah you should lynch me but otherwise *shrug*

[aronagrundy]

Someone who's played with GM before - can you comment on the general accuracy of her reads? If she's normally accurate as town and doesn't bus as scum, having bad reads counts against her. If she's normally inaccurate as town, it isn't as telling. Accuracy is subjective but I'm just looking for opinions.

Post like this are coasty and gives no content, hes projecting trying to game solve when hes doing nothing

We're arguing that he bussed sotty at the same time we're claiming he's doing nothing?

[BlackVoid]

The thing is if BV wasn't okay with a tracker claim why is he okay with an empty pr claim

I just told you why...

[aronagrundy]

@creature:

BV's logic doesn't make SENSE
he was okay with pushing socty regardless of the tracker claim yeah?
So question why the unvote and "okay" from Cloud when cloud does even worse and just claims pr

Answer: Bv pushed on his partner for towncred and unvoted cloud because cloud is town.

If BV already has towncred, why not push for cloud to be lynched regardless? How would unvoting cloud benefit scum!BV?

Besides, different contexts as far as I can tell. Today there seems to be a bit of a town voting bloc forming, or at least everyone references it and many people are townreading each other, and through PoE there's realistically only a couple people who can be lynched today at this point (you, GM, hoopla, cloud before the claim). I think most people are voting off of townreads and not scumreads (correct me if I'm wrong), so changing wagons is different.

Day 2 seemed to be more confusing and BV seemed to be pushing based on an actual scumread, as did other people. Comment on this if y'all want, since I wasn't there.

Also, how is a tracker claiming with an empty result any more of a towntell than just claiming PR? I'm serious here.

The thing is if BV wasn't okay with a tracker claim why is he okay with an empty pr claim

I think a lot of the sr on me is because I sr people inside the townblock and that's not gonna randomly stop people act like the scoty flip should just insta change my reads and it won't yes I hard defended Scoty but I thought they were town because my biggest sr's were on the wagon and I didn't understand the whole sr I don't regret it hell I don't regret any of my play this game
If I'm going to be lynched because of poe I can be okay with that
I can't be okay with going down for being scummy because to me I wasn't I was wrong everyone is at points

Ok but this is literally cloud's post restated, which I responded to. Can you respond to what I said?

[aronagrundy]

@maria

How were you hard defending sotty up to her lynch? You complained a lot about the wagon but didn't actually do anything about it.

[BlackVoid]

If I'm going to be lynched because of poe I can be okay with that
I can't be okay with going down for being scummy because to me I wasn't I was wrong everyone is at points

Okay then, let's lynch you because of POE. Glad you are okay with that.

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: maria

[aronagrundy]

If I'm scummy for pushing in the townblock I'll forever be scummy and yeah you should lynch me but otherwise *shrug*

I mean...yeah it's PoE plus so many of your reads are so contrary to the rest of the town I just can't believe that you're town being kept alive as a mislynch. I will say that what popped up to me the most during my read was the way you defended sotty, as mentioned before. I feel like you just gave lipservice to defending sotty so that you could hide behind your defense of...just being town with unfortunate reads without actually calling attention to yourself.

[Raskolnikov]

FMpov if maria is scum it's probably with GM anyways. I know you guys don't have the same pov but I really would prefer goodmorning please.
The thing is this behaviour isn't particularly anything new for maria town so it feels more like a crapshoot.

[aronagrundy]

Actually, let me revise that point. You wanted to call attention to yourself, but you also didn't want to put in the effort of putting in a substantive defense, mostly because it was just easier to complain about the wagon and point to it later as a defense that adds to your defense of yourself. But also because an actual defense would involve genuinely pushing someone else, and you didn't want to bring up the possibility of giving more information to the town as to who would join the counterwagon.

[aronagrundy]

@rask

for what it's worth, i've never played with Maria and a lot of the defense people are giving seems to be meta...so idk.

[BlackVoid]

FMpov if maria is scum it's probably with GM anyways. I know you guys don't have the same pov but I really would prefer goodmorning please.
The thing is this behaviour isn't particularly anything new for maria town so it feels more like a crapshoot.

If I could be sure it's MariaR and GoodMorning, I'd go with that. But I think there's an outside chance of you being scum which makes me hesitate and want to go for the read I'm more sure of. I guess I'll have to finish my ISO of you so I can sort you for good.

What are your other reads currently? Who are your surest townreads and what's your POE looking like?

[MariaR]

That's honestly not how I play as scum no need to risk hard defending a goon
VT btw