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[Raskolnikov]

That logic actually isn't bad, even if I don't agree with the conclusion.

[MariaR]

That logic actually isn't bad, even if I don't agree with the conclusion.

WTF THIS IMPLIES YOU WERE EXPECTING BAD LOGIC
...Bully

[Raskolnikov]

Idk, I thought it was probably impatience at how nothing was happening there. I do think you shouldn't let people off that easy on principle, but if you revisited and don't scumread him as much I can see the incentive to switch.

My personal problem now is beyond the soft cloud actually hasn't given anything yet despite going on about how "being wagoned gives you clarity and great reads".

[Raskolnikov]

You get into weird territory here though like if you should really lynch someone for refusing to hardclaim/cooperate (like, partially policy stuff); if it's obvious it never happens then you never get the hardclaim either so there has to be some level of actual threat there. And even more abstractly if it's never done then the system actually breaks down and abusing it becomes standard.

[Raskolnikov]

Maria, if hypothetically you were wrong on BV or creature, who would you think is scum instead?

[MariaR]

Hoopia > GM >Cloud

[MariaR]

the only reason GM is after hoopia is because there sheeping my creature sr

[Raskolnikov]

So, your partner's in there right?

[MariaR]

no rask that's you.

[CloudKicker]

Funnily enough i completly forgot about the game, havent read past 2-3 pages and i dont have time tonight either so ill try to reread everything + input tomorow

[CloudKicker]

Funnily enough i completly forgot about the game, havent read past 2-3 pages and i dont have time tonight either so ill try to reread everything + input tomorow

[Raskolnikov]

Though it does make me a lil nervous you felt like qualifying that GM one tho.

[MariaR]

Though it does make me a lil nervous you felt like qualifying that GM one tho.

It was mostly because Hoopia/GM are at the same point for me and I'm only willing to lynch hoopia first out of bias

[goodmorning]

Because Maria is obvTown and I didn't like the way it looked like Rask was trying to make it a thing.

Pushing someone you townread is worse than pushing you?

Pushing someone like you looked like you were about to push Maria is worse than pushing someone because of silly confbias.

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creature do you think mentioning the mason in your townbloc a lot is going to make them tr you?



because that idea is actually dumb enough that it just might work

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BV's logic doesn't make SENSE
he was okay with pushing socty regardless of the tracker claim yeah?
So question why the unvote and "okay" from Cloud when cloud does even worse and just claims pr

Answer: Bv pushed on his partner for towncred and unvoted cloud because cloud is town.

GUYS THIS POINT IS PRETTY GOOD

Though it does make me a lil nervous you felt like qualifying that GM one tho.

damn, rask, back at it again with the conf-

wait, did i do that joke already? whoops.

[Creature]

creature do you think mentioning the mason in your townbloc a lot is going to make them tr you?



because that idea is actually dumb enough that it just might work

How can there be a true townblock without conftown on it?

[BlackVoid]

Someone who's played with GM before - can you comment on the general accuracy of her reads? If she's normally accurate as town and doesn't bus as scum, having bad reads counts against her. If she's normally inaccurate as town, it isn't as telling. Accuracy is subjective but I'm just looking for opinions.

[Creature]

She didn't bus as scum in Newbie 1683.

[Creature]

Calling the council of not dumb players to analyse 2236.

[CloudKicker]

Vc to be posted eventually, but it was a lynch.

Votecount 1.Final

GreyICE (7)

Sotty7 , VictorDeAngelo , I Am Innocent , Hoopla , BlackVoid , Creature , Raskolnikov LYNCH!,

VictorDeAngelo (4)

goodmorning , GreyICE , MariaR , Jaack ,

Sotty7 (1)

TwoFace ,

Not Voting (1)

CloudKicker ,

Day one deadline is Thursday November 3, 8 AM PST. (expired on 2016-11-03 08:00:00)

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch!

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Votecount 2.Final

Raskolnikov (1)

CloudKicker ,

Hoopla (1)

Creature ,

Jaack (2)

Sotty7 , MariaR ,

I Am Innocent (1)

goodmorning ,

Sotty7 (6)

Jaack , Hoopla , BlackVoid , Raskolnikov , I Am Innocent , aronagrundy LYNCH! ,

Day two deadline is Friday November 18, 1 PM PST. (expired on 2016-11-18 13:00:00)

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch!

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Those 2 votes count + some fact that i am going to use to make my poe for the game, here it is. All the reads i will out are based on those ''facts'' that i am fairly certain of

-Victor/sub is clear and town mason.
-Jaack should be town here with the d1 and interactions, so ill mark him as town
-Hoop claimed VT

Vote 1.0 On grey that arent clear : Hoop BV Creature Rask
Vote 1.0 outside on the cw Victor that arent clear (another town) : GM, MariaR

Vote 2.0 On Sotty that arent clear : Hoop BV Rask
Vote 2.0 outside and scattered : GM (voting mason), CK (voting rask), MariaR (voting with mafia on Jaack who should be town), Creature (votting Hoop)

The actual scumpool is Jaack MariaR Creature BV Rask GM, if jaack is town its 2 [Maria Crea BV Rask GM]

Heres something that im fairly certain of too, the only resistance on sotty was mariar outside myself, meaning i believe that mafia bussed sotty at least once. She was heavily fosed for 2 days and she was going down, i dont see 1 mafia hard defending her (Mariar) + 1 coasting the lynch, or 2 coasting, it just makes no sens to me considering Sottys play and how the day happened.

So imho, if MariaR is town, at the very least 1 mafia bussed imo, that is -> Hoop BV Crea Rask.
Another read i have is that MariaR and BV are just not a team imho, they can be both scum this game. MariaR wouldnt continually pushed BV whos in a somewhat townread position rn (at least by the clears), no reason to discredit your partner on ml either, so -> BV and MariaR not 2mafias.

Now, if mariaR is mafia -> BV should be town and vice versa

Now heres my personally reads

I do think mariar should be town if she didnt completly hard buddied a scum partner who was tote getting lynched, if she did then the game should be easy with her scum flip but i personally believe that her play from d2 was town and that she actually believe sotty was town. Her votes counts also doesnt reflect scum intention, shes also starting to towntell recently and BV outed several horrible lines and isnt being consistent in his townyness.

I also do think that GM should be town here, imo his d1 tone was on point, i liked a lot of his posts and his voting pattern just looks reckless af and i dont see mafia coasting with those votes all that much, theres also the IAI vote considering mafia already picked mason read the guy

Thats leaves Crea Rask BV Hoop

Crea just unvoted on me which is imo fairly towny, he also townread me for the entire game and other stuff but hes somewhat hard to read since low infos, he also doesnt look like hes with rask for the meta read out of the blue

Rask scumtold a bunch of times but also towntold recently. I personnaly do not believe shes the same as the town game we both played recently for one bit. Also creature outing the very same kind of meta read i had on her should be enough for me to tr him because we had about the same read. I do think shes scum and her GM push is bad

Hoop idk, have to reread. BV had flip floping reads on him for a while and i dont know how to read that if BV is scum. He also corrected BV on stuff that were wrong and outed good lines

BV towntold early on but made various terrible posts later on and had inconsistent logic on his own play, also hes pushing on mariar when i do think shes town.

My stance atm is

Crea/rask not a team
Maria/BV not a team (pretty fucking sure)
Hoop/BV not a team

Rask is mafia, Mariar is town, Gm is town
Bv is mafia over hoop for recent play

[CloudKicker]

@ everyone, yall should actually try to drop old reads and work with the new stuff, because d1 play is different then when theres flip and other stuff, like Bv actually started to somewhat scumtell imo

[BlackVoid]

Calling the council of not dumb players to analyse 2236.

Doesn't take into account that I moved off of Sotty7 after the claim, explored other options and finally decided that it was the most achievable lynch that I felt would flip scum. Similarly with Cloud, he's not going to claim so I'm pushing elsewhere. I'll decide what to do once I've considered other options. 2236 is silly. It's even sillier that some people called it a good point.

[CloudKicker]

Someone who's played with GM before - can you comment on the general accuracy of her reads? If she's normally accurate as town and doesn't bus as scum, having bad reads counts against her. If she's normally inaccurate as town, it isn't as telling. Accuracy is subjective but I'm just looking for opinions.

Post like this are coasty and gives no content, hes projecting trying to game solve when hes doing nothing

[MariaR]

Joey wtf are you on I've never seen you try this hard before

[MariaR]

I'M TOWN BB DON'T WORRY now sheep me

[BlackVoid]

It's kind of hard to game-solve without looking like I'm game-solving. I should learn how to do it though.