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[Hoopla]

I crumbed my role too btw and my whole d2 was sort of a soft

I would look for it, but that involves reading your posts again sooooo.....

...just tell us.

[CloudKicker]

Except as a PR, with a claimed Mason, you should be less likely to buy Sotty7's PR claim, not more.

Eh, that's a perspective for those in tune with mafiascum balance ideals. Cloud's an EM player where everyone in the game including the mod probably gets a PR -- and also explains why he didn't want to lynch Sotty based purely on because she claimed Tracker.

On EM not everyone gets a pr but everyones knows the setup, so its really easy to spot a fake pr claim and to test it out in the night, this is mostly how its played in em and i think it wouldve been optimal here even tho she was scum, the mechanics behind my train of thought is still imo optimal, lynching outside and hitting scum + 1 more day to get interactions with a fake pr is invaluable for town imho. You are also right about me not wanting to lynch sotty purely based on the claim

[CloudKicker]

I crumbed my role too btw and my whole d2 was sort of a soft

I would look for it, but that involves reading your posts again sooooo.....

...just tell us.

The reason why i am not claiming is because i want more reads based on who pushes on me and for what, all this infos that im trying to get by non-claiming happens if the town pauses until i claim you know

[goodmorning]

cloud people have already pushed you for various things

how many more do you actually need?

[CloudKicker]

@gm i want to understand why, it will help me get reads.

[goodmorning]

why they pushed you? they've already said why they've pushed you.

[Creature]

Okay, if Cloud is town and so I am, who's scum?

[Raskolnikov]

Because Maria is obvTown and I didn't like the way it looked like Rask was trying to make it a thing.

Was the context not clear?

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damn, rask, back at it again with the confbias!

Pushing someone you townread is worse than pushing you?

[Raskolnikov]

No, this doesn't work.

The only circumstances in which it would work is if you thought maria was so obvtown that anyone should see it, which isn't the case here as only hoopla seems to have come away with the same read there.
If only really you have an obvtown read on someone it doesn't make sense to vote someone just for not having that same read.

Unless you have a problem with the way in which it was done, but as far as you described it its entirely just suggesting it and nothing about how.

[Creature]

UNVOTE:

BV where do you stand right now?

[Creature]

Say we don't massclaim today, who we lynch?

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 3.03

Raskolnikov (1)

CloudKicker ,

goodmorning (1)

Raskolnikov ,

Creature (1)

MariaR ,

BlackVoid (1)

goodmorning ,

CloudKicker (3)

Jaack , BlackVoid , aronagrundy L-2,

Not Voting (2)

Hoopla , Creature ,

Day three deadline is Thursday December 1, 12 AM PST. (expired on 2016-12-01 00:00:00)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch!

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[Creature]

Calling aronajaackvoid council.

Who we lynch if not Cloud?

[Raskolnikov]

I don't really agree with your reasoning for eliminating him but also don't wish to continue this any further. I will say if he is such a concrete read, why am I just hearing about it now after probing for reasons, because I've never felt like you've expressed how town you view him. You seem to be under the impression that Creature is an obvious hivemind townread that didn't require much explanation or convincing of others, and I haven't seen you volunteering to dissuade those pushing the Creature wagon today, which I'd expect if this read is genuine. He is one of the most realistic alternate candidates, so why no chime in 'bout that?

I don't defend people if it's not necessary. You're asking me about my read right now; creature wagon has never been an actual thing.
Not to mention the people pushing creature are GM, who's probably scum anyways and maria (lol), whereas most others just have him as a not-clear/not-sure.

[Raskolnikov]

I think that when ure about to get lynched you can have better reads when universially townread or outside wagons

Let's see this then.
You've had a few days now to make yourself useful and haven't. Beyond backtracking a bit on me and refusing to claim you haven't actually done anything after promising to.

[BlackVoid]

UNVOTE:

BV where do you stand right now?

I've been ISO'ing people. I haven't finished but here's where I'm at so far. You are actually my strongest townread outside of Jaack and Arona and the one I have the most trouble explaining.

Cloud's ISO is actually not too horrible. I specifically looked to see all the times he mentioned Sotty7 and nothing came off like he already knew her alignment. I really wanted his claim though since just letting him demand claims from whoever he wants while not claiming when he's at L-1 was bad and it feels like we're letting him get away with a lot.

I think I might be cutting GM too much slack. She claims she's known for not bussing. But despite attacking Sotty7, she never once voted her. She voted Victor who is town on D1. On D2, she kept her vote on IAI who's also town. For a brief moment, she switched to Hoopla, then Rask, then back to IAI. D3 she's voting you who I think is town. So, I don't know, that's one too many bad votes, and she never votes Sotty7.

Still need to ISO Rask and search for mentions of Sotty7. I'll get back to you on that. You seem to know him well, what do you think?

MariaR is the one I have no reason to believe is town so that's who I'd be most comfortable lynching. Saying you, me, and Jaack are scum is a pretty big stretch and I'm closer to thinking she's doing it to get towncred than because she actually buys what she's selling. There's also that D1 behavior where she complained about the GreyICE wagon (why is there no counterwagon? Is no one bothered???) Then TwoFace point-blank told her that Sotty7 was the counterwagon that was stalling. She didn't react to him and then moved onto Victor. But I haven't finished ISO'ing her either so more on this soon.

[Raskolnikov]

Okay, if Cloud is town and so I am, who's scum?

UNVOTE:

BV where do you stand right now?

Calling aronajaackvoid council.

Who we lynch if not Cloud?

But what do you think?

[Raskolnikov]

Coming to a compromise is one thing, but you being a lynch option doesn't mean you can't have an opinion.

[Raskolnikov]

Cloud being PR actually fits my earlier theory about why PR wasn't counterpushing sotty, incidentally.

[BlackVoid]

How well does goodmorning/MariaR fit in as a team?

[Creature]

Coming to a compromise is one thing, but you being a lynch option doesn't mean you can't have an opinion.

I like getting opinions rather than making.

[Creature]

How well does goodmorning/MariaR fit in as a team?

Decently.

[Creature]

Was Hoopla's play today better?

[Raskolnikov]

How well does goodmorning/MariaR fit in as a team?

That has the hard-defending wifom thing about it, which doesn't rule it out but is meh.

TBH I am having trouble with associations and especially who'd be with GM, and it's been bothering me a bit. But fuck it.

[Jaack]

Calling aronajaackvoid council.

Who we lynch if not Cloud?

I'm pretty singleminded at this point honestly but... eh maybe Hoopla idk? I might be able to get behind Maria as well. Some of BV points on her are getting to me.