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[Nero Cain]

I mean its not like I've changed my read on Karnos but explain what you think the town motivation was for PP to flip on me like that? The scum motivation?

[Foxbird]

Votecount 4.17

karnos

(1) - Nero Cain

PenguinPower

(3) - Saru, Lowell, karnos

(L-2!)

Nero Cain

(3) - ironstove, bji, PenguinPower

(L-2!)

Not Voting

(1) - MathBlade

With

8

players eligible to vote, it’s

5

to lynch!

Day 4 will end in

(expired on 2016-11-30 07:11:29).

Mod Notes:

None!

[Nero Cain]

Nero is defending himself and Penguin as expected, they are probably the last two scum.

like look at him pushing a Nero-PP team and yet I wasn't "defending" PP at all. He's feeding town a half truth here and is accusing me of defending PP here since he thinks that if he accuses us of being scum then I'll get wary and think PP is town.

[MathBlade]

Unlikely. Karnos scum with PP would be voting Nero here. Voting PP seems against self interests. With how heavily stove town reads Karnos (which I do and don't get) PP + Karnos is extremely unlikely.

[MathBlade]

Lowell is the only one with a reason to bus here. Karnos lacks such a reason.

[bji]

I think it was BJ that said something along the lines of "but we are able to buddy hunt today!" but its still dumb as we were guaranteed to lose at least one townie over the night and reduce the town brain power.

You don't seem to be able to comprehend that a single town player's brain power is balanced by the incorrect suspicion that that player will draw from the rest of town. Losing a town player is mostly a wash, because while it removes one player with good intentions, it also removes one player for town to incorrectly focus on.

It's a wash. There was no disadvantage to ending the day as early as possible.

Karnos response that he was worried that town wouldn't lynch Thor doesn't mesh with reality.

NO ONE

was going to buy there being two town trackers in a mini. It was deff a bus.

I actually agree with this. Karnos should have known that that lynch was inevitable, and his reason for hammering was weak if it really was based on fears that Thor might get away.

The correct reason for hammering quickly there was the one I already gave -- to avoid giving scum more info to help them make the optimal NK.

[MathBlade]

So Nero vote PP and then when all are done discussing I has hammers.

If PP is town Karnos likelihood of scum grows but I doubt PP is town. Would probably say Karnos+Saru in that case.

[Nero Cain]

vote:PP

[MathBlade]

Intent to hammer

Just giving 24 hours for last thoughts.

[Nero Cain]

@Karnos why did you feel we needed to end the day?

are you kidding? been trying to lynch this scum since day one.

not going to slowplay it and risk someone getting cold feet

.

this is scum. INB4 Math doesn't die tonight b/c she won't lynch scum Karnos

[PenguinPower]

Ugh...so bad. I'm getting strong desires to self-hammer here.

[PenguinPower]

Like, just so MB doesn't get his "hammers."

[PenguinPower]

Please, someone else hammer me so that dense-man doesn't get to.

[Nero Cain]

Why does it matter who hammers you?

[PenguinPower]

Because it really annoys me that MB is all "I has hammers," and the vindictive side of me would love nothing more to deny that from him

[MathBlade]

Town should always has hammers not scum. It forces scum to vote first. It is the same principle in LyLO. (MyLO should be a no lynch)

No matter what scum team you believe in the votes are out. I want to 24 for people who aren't online on a Saturday morning.

[Nero Cain]

Think about this guys. PP has claimed that they can post in the neighborhood topic at anytime. When Thor was lynched scum lost day talk BUT if Arona added Karnos to the hood (like PP suggested) and they kill Arona then they regain day talk. Also PP was town reading Karnos last night but switches on him for ???? Like there's plenty of potential scum motivation for scum to bus/distance from each other both in the early game and the late game. Other than not buying into the Tracer case Thor was pushing Karnos and Karnos was pushing Thor wich explains why I didn't really thing Thor was scum b/c I didn't think that bussing.

Nero
Math
Lowell
BJ
Iron
Karnos/PP

[Nero Cain]

Nero
Math
Lowell
Saru
BJ
Iron
Karnos/PP

Fixed

[PenguinPower]

^
Yep. This is scum.

[ironstove]

karnos, saru, lowell, please explain why your vote is on penguin and not on nero?

[ironstove]

Ugh, I'm done, vote nero good bye.

[karnos]

Calm down iron.

[karnos]

VOTE: karnos

Breaking my heart.

Ugh...I'm done. I've made my points...your vote and logic are bad. Like, bad bad.

I agree that one of me and karnos is scum. Karnos is scum, and flipping him will give us one more mislynch to find the remaining Lynch me, and then you will be lynching karnos and have no buffer to find the remaining.

The rest of the town can decide now. I've made my case.

Mostly this. I don't see how town penguin, who had other scum reads, would push for my lynch like this with the "1v1 me bro!" type of argument.

And the fact that it seemed to come out of left field, with no triggering reason for the sudden change in reading.

[PenguinPower]

Yeah, except I explained why the change. Do you people even read? Someone just hammer me so we can move on.

[karnos]

I scum read MathBlade before we got a mod confirmation of the IC role. That is why penguin thinks I'm scum.

I don't buy it.