Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

[Creature]

And Raskolnikov because I don't feel confident enough to put him as town, and I think he's slightly changing.

[BlackVoid]

You had him as town before (you made a strike against his name). What did he do to change that?

[Creature]

When you feel he can still be scum.

[BlackVoid]

What does that mean?

[Creature]

Story:

Me: Wow that guy must be town
*some thinking*
Me: Okay, maybe he can still be scum
Me: Heh

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 2.08

Hoopla (3)

I Am Innocent , Creature , BlackVoid ,

Jaack (4)

Raskolnikov , MariaR , CloudKicker , Hoopla L-2,

Creature (2)

Sotty7 , goodmorning ,

Sotty7 (1)

Jaack ,

Not Voting (1)

VictorDeAngelo ,

Day two deadline is Friday November 18, 1 PM PST. (expired on 2016-11-18 13:00:00)

Raskolnikov has been prodded.

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch!

[/size]

[Sotty7]

Did you do your homework?

I'm not about to work out your scum read for you.

[Sotty7]

It's not so much consistency as in Creature has said at the beginning that his suspects both you (Sotty7) and Hoopla. When wagons sprung up on both of you, Creature was on them. To twist as scummy is something I found troubling. In fact, if wagons formed on his scumreads and he didn't join them, that would have been scummy. It's not like he's joining any wagon, just the ones on his scumreads. For example, he didn't bite at the GM or Jaack wagons.

Can you tell me his reasoning for suspecting Hoopla?

[Raskolnikov]

Ill do this when I get home

[goodmorning]

man it's been a while since anyone's posted anything interesting

[Creature]

What's your opinion on the Jaack wagon?

[goodmorning]

That it exists.

None of the votes have any attached reasoning with them at all. I have a mild townread on Jaack. Suffice it to say I'm not voting there.

[Jaack]

That it exists.

None of the votes have any attached reasoning with them at all. I have a mild townread on Jaack. Suffice it to say I'm not voting there.

This is the most annoying thing about this game.

I mean, Maria's had a scumread on me since

page 14

and hasn't done anything to argue I was scum that entire time. She just says stuff like 'hey vote jaack' or 'I would vote jaack but no one else is'

Rask's vote is because I feel fake all of the sudden? But he doesn't point out a single post where that's the case.

Cloud's voting me basically because I'm scumreading him. When I asked him to extrapolate on his vote on me in 1578 he ignored me.

Hoopla's voting me because there are town on my wagon I think? Inertia from D1 reads?

Now I've been meaning to chime in on the Hoopla wagon, and I'm warming up to it. I'm currently reading her as null because I felt a lot of her D1 was solid town stuff, even if she was wrong about both GI and me. But her D2 has been lacking to say the least. I don't really like the opening of 1266. It feels a little revisionist - there was nothing about BBT's D1 that made that slot doomed other than town apathy to finding a decent alternative. Seems a bit like she's trying to distance herself from participation on the GI wagon, but it's not a smoking gun to me. In general, there's a lot of that in Hoopla's posts. Stuff that could be from scum, but nothing that makes me compelled to vote.

I'm not super convinced of her being scum though. I'd much rather lynch sotty or cloud today, but it seems I'm alone in both cases. I can at least understand why people are unwilling to vote sotty due to her claim, but I really feel that people are giving cloud to much leeway due to his playstyle.

I'm also concerned that currently 100% of the Hoopla wagon is made up of people on the GI lynch. But whatever, it's not a great wagon but its an okay one, and okay is better than the actual worst (which is my wagon).

VOTE: Hoopla

[MariaR]

Jaack you want more fine first of all that vote you made was opportunistic as fuck "I was kinda okay with a Hoopia wagon" nanana you're just voting it to save your own ass you only pop up when it's convenient for you and you've coasted a hella ton this game the fact your wagon has so much fight to it shows that Hoop is a counter wagon

[Jaack]

Jaack you want more fine first of all that vote you made was opportunistic as fuck "I was kinda okay with a Hoopia wagon" nanana you're just voting it to save your own ass you only pop up when it's convenient for you and you've coasted a hella ton this game the fact your wagon has so much fight to it shows that Hoop is a counter wagon

Yeah, i guess you could say it's opportunistic in that it looks like it's my best opportunity to lynch scum today since no one else wants to vote cloud or sotty. I'm not in love with scum-hoopla but she's none too high on my town reads either.

That all being said, your scum read on me predates my hoopla vote by weeks. You should have more than that.

Moving right along, you say I only show up when it's convenient for me? Wouldn't it have been convenient of me to allow the sotty wagon to go through? Wouldn't it have been convenient of me to lynch GI yesterday when I was option number 2? I don't really want to self read, so give me concrete examples of me showing up only when it's convenient so I can tell you why you're wrong.

And it's not like you've done anything worthwhile this whole game. While you've been scum reading me the whole game, the only two times you've actually given reasons are when I've pried them out of you. You haven't done anything to change people's minds regarding BV, your other scumread either.

I'll admit that I haven't posted as much as I like, but I try and get something accomplished with every one of my posts. You've had hard scumreads on two players for most of this game but have done nothing to see those through.

And finally, this counterwagon garbage again. First of all, it's patently false - Hoopla was a wagon today before I was. But it doesn't matter which came first, what matters is the quality of the wagon. And while I might not be in love with the hoopla wagon, the reasoning for its existence is infinitely better than the reasoning for mine.

I think your town Maria, but you're dead wrong on me.

[goodmorning]

It feels a little revisionist

That's what I said.

I'm also concerned that currently 100% of the Hoopla wagon is made up of people on the GI lynch. But whatever, it's not a great wagon but its an okay one, and okay is better than the actual worst (which is my wagon).

What about Creature?

[Jaack]

What about Creature?

What about him? As a lynch candidate? He's a weak town read for me right now but I admittedly haven't been paying him much attention.

[goodmorning]

Go pay him some attention for a bit and see how you feel?

[I Am Innocent]

Cause the way I see it, with at least 2 town masons and a town tracker (this is the one I don't believe) in a 13 player game, I have to assume scum must be loaded with power. At least 2 scum with night actions (kill and at least one other), yet this group goes after the one player that Sotty tracked doing nothing.

Yeah, jack is not likely scum.

Curious for thoughts from the people on the Jack wagon regarding this theory?

[I Am Innocent]

Hoopla 4
Jack 4
Creature 2 (Sotty and GM)

No vote 1 (victor)

I think we all know where Sotty's vote is going next, so Victor and GM, where you leaning?

[goodmorning]

iai it is eminently possible that maria joins the creature wagon

don't be so hasty to consolidate

[Creature]

Still think consistency is a scum tell?

[goodmorning]

From whom?

[Creature]

From anything.

[BlackVoid]

iai it is eminently possible that maria joins the creature wagon

don't be so hasty to consolidate

Take a stance please even if you are not ready to switch. I don't want to keep going towards deadline with you keeping your options open. IF you had to choose, who would you vote?