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Post Post #1575 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:56 am

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In post 981, Creature wrote:I agree with most of Hoopla's list, I'd say my scumpool is {Victor, Jaack, IAI, Sotty, goodmorning}
In post 1186, Creature wrote:
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Actually I'm not sure if I would consider myself consistent.
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Post Post #1576 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:56 am

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Didn't mean to quote these posts.
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Post Post #1577 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:57 am

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In post 1503, mhsmith0 wrote:Jaack (4)Raskolnikov , MariaR , CloudKicker , Hoopla L-2 ,
lol this wagon
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Post Post #1578 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:18 am

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In post 1565, CloudKicker wrote:Youre not wrong in that i did appeal to you, you still didnt come around and now i want you to claim, saying iam the one who staled the sotty's wagon by not putter her on L-1 when YOU unvoted is being hypocrite and flawed logic boi
It's not flawed logic. You say youwanted a claim from sotty. With her at L-2 at the time, why didn't you vote her?

Also, explain my scum motivation for inviting sotty, since you claim my inconsistency is why you are voting me.
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Post Post #1579 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:41 am

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In post 1573, Creature wrote:Oh nice, now we'll talk about why not frequently changing reads is a scum tell.
In post 1572, goodmorning wrote:
Consistency is a trap a lot of newbScum fall into because we've been wired to think of consistency as good;
in actuality, Town have reads progressions, growing and changing with new materials and assessments.

You can go through mild inconsistency and come out the other side - we call that fencesitting. That's nearly as scummy as consistency, though Town do it much more often.
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Post Post #1580 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:54 am

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In post 1578, Jaack wrote:
In post 1565, CloudKicker wrote:Youre not wrong in that i did appeal to you, you still didnt come around and now i want you to claim, saying iam the one who staled the sotty's wagon by not putter her on L-1 when YOU unvoted is being hypocrite and flawed logic boi
It's not flawed logic. You say youwanted a claim from sotty. With her at L-2 at the time, why didn't you vote her?

Also, explain my scum motivation for inviting sotty, since you claim my inconsistency is why you are voting me.
It was L-1, you unvoted, i just didnt vote her to reput her at L-1 and she claimed anyway so idk whats your problem
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Post Post #1581 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:54 am

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I still think scum are in Hoopla, Sotty7, Rask and MariaR, hence why I don't change my reads much.
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Post Post #1582 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:45 am

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In post 1580, CloudKicker wrote: It was L-1, you unvoted, i just didnt vote her to reput her at L-1 and she claimed anyway so idk whats your problem
The problem is that you should have voted if you wanted her to claim. You had ample opportunity between my unvote and her claim and you had no reason to expect her to claim at L-2.

I'm not sure what it means yet, but it's a clear disconnect between your actions and your claimed intentions.
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Post Post #1583 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:52 am

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Creature you called me scum then when I went at you
you called me town
now that I back off I'm scum again
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Creature or Jaack are our lynch today since everyone's up BV's ***
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Post Post #1584 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:07 am

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Oh right, I wanted to pretend you were town and see the results, but then I ended forgetting about that.
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Post Post #1585 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:08 am

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In post 1584, Creature wrote:Oh right, I wanted to pretend you were town and see the results, but then I ended forgetting about that.
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Post Post #1586 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:34 pm

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At this point no matter what I say BV is going to twist it to be scummy. Creature being consistent is reason for a town read? Pretty sure one of the reasons BV suspects me from day one was my consistency on both Two face and Grey/BBT. Creature jumped extremely optimistically on both myself and Hoopla and I find that scummy.
In post 1511, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 1504, MariaR wrote:Join the jaack vote for a townblock!
I care more about lynching scum, hence the hoopla vote!
What's your Hoopla case? The only thing I can see from this day is post 1133. I was under the impression you were scum reading me and her as a team, or am I wrong with that?
In post 1563, Creature wrote:Does Hoopla usually scumslip and then lurks as town?
Where's the scum slip?
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Post Post #1587 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:36 pm

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In post 692, Hoopla wrote:Grey, you should start scumreading yourself and Jack. I think it might change BlackVoid's mind.
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Post Post #1588 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:37 pm

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Stating intent to join the Jaack wagon over the Hoopla one, but I think that's pretty clear. Unless someone can break down a Hoopla case that goes above she's been lurking. When she's been here I've liked her posting. Jaack's logic for re-voting me still doesn't make sense even more so that he seems more intent pushing Cloud than he does me.
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Post Post #1589 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:38 pm

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In post 1587, Creature wrote:
In post 692, Hoopla wrote:Grey, you should start scumreading yourself and Jack. I think it might change BlackVoid's mind.
Explain it to me like I am five, what am I missing here?
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Post Post #1590 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:40 pm

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Did you do your homework?
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Post Post #1591 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:45 pm

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It's not so much consistency as in Creature has said at the beginning that his suspects both you (Sotty7) and Hoopla. When wagons sprung up on both of you, Creature was on them. To twist as scummy is something I found troubling. In fact, if wagons formed on his scumreads and he
didn't
join them,
that
would have been scummy. It's not like he's joining any wagon, just the ones on his scumreads. For example, he didn't bite at the GM or Jaack wagons.

However, Creature I do have a question for you. I'm not really sure how you went from {Victor, Jaack, IAI, Sotty, goodmorning} as your initial scumlist to your final reads of {Rask, Sotty7, Hoopla, MariaR} which is basically a carbon-copy of my own reads. There's an intermediate step in but I don't know how you got there either. How did Rask and IAI jump into your scumpile and disappear again in ? I think I cut you a bit too much slack for having the same reads as me and I want to see why you have those reads so go ahead and explain your top four scumreads.
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Post Post #1592 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:53 pm

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IAI is the only read I sheeped from you actually.
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Post Post #1593 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:53 pm

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Victor because he's a mason claim (didn't know at the time) and we can catch him when we massclaim incase he's scum.
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Post Post #1594 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:54 pm

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Jaack looks reckless, though not sure how he plays scum.
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Post Post #1595 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:54 pm

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goodmorning I clearly showed my read progression I think.
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Post Post #1596 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:00 pm

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It's not as clear as I would like so maybe go over it again briefly?

What about your scumreads though (Rask, Hoopla, Sotty7, MariaR)? I'm more interested in hearing your reasons for those.
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Post Post #1597 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:01 pm

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Hoopla because 1009 and now she's lacking presence, I saw somewhere she was terrifying against scum.
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Post Post #1598 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:02 pm

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Sotty7 because I think she seemed pretty weak when on the stand (idk how to explain that actually).
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Post Post #1599 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:02 pm

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MariaR because she's hard to read.
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