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[bji]

The 'Whatever, you can be town' from Grey in 777 was a reference to his 776 'you' was 'Thor'.
I swear no one in this game reads.

That makes no sense. There was literally zero to change his mind about you between 776 and 777, those are consecutive posts! He's not talking about you in 777, he already talked about you in 776, he's obviously just ISO'd Mal, and he says "Oh holy shit though. I looked at mal's recent posts. Whatever you can be town. This is fake VLA shit." Cripes it is completely obvious that every statement there is about Mal, not you.

Or are you now going to claim that his further statements of "Jesus. Don't claim, just die. Fucking fake VLAers. This doesn't just make you scum, it means you are garbage etc etc" was about you also?

And the thing is, you've shown from prior posts that you can read the game alot more carefully than that when it suits your needs.

{ Nero, Thor, Aronagrundy }, with Arona a distant third at this point.

[Thor665]

Cripes it is completely obvious that every statement there is about Mal, not you.

Okay, you're clearly wrong, but let's use small words.

If he's claiming the Mal vote is a policy lynch.
Why is he calling his V/LA "fake" as opposed to complaining that he's just not posting?
He is claiming town is faking being unable to post...?
That makes sense to you?

[Thor665]

If your answer is 'yes' then my vote just became policy as well as a scum read.

[bji]

Cripes it is completely obvious that every statement there is about Mal, not you.

Okay, you're clearly wrong, but let's use small words.

If he's claiming the Mal vote is a policy lynch.
Why is he calling his V/LA "fake" as opposed to complaining that he's just not posting?
He is claiming town is faking being unable to post...?
That makes sense to you?

Doesn't policy lynch mean lynching for non-alignment-related reasons?

So not caring whether or not Mal is town or scum, just caring whether or not Mal is ignoring this game while posting elsewhere, is a policy lynch.

Now, you're asking how could Mal have believed that a town player would lurk like that? I don't know, maybe he thinks Mal is some kind of griefer, or is not interested in this game for ??reasons?? and just doesn't want to play, preferring to leave himself on V/LA here so that he doesn't have to deal with prods for a while. The whole concept seemed to piss Grey off pretty well, I suspect he wasn't thinking "awesome, this foolish scum has revealed himself by a brain dead V/LA ploy", because, my god, who actually believes that scum would employ that technique? I think he was pissed about lurkers and especially pissed about lurkers that would hide behind V/LA in a game for any reason at all, because you know what, lurkers piss me off too and if I thought someone was doing it intentionally I'd be extra pissed.

To be frank, the whole concept of believing that someone is scum just because they appear to be abusing V/LA features of the site is so far beyond rational to me that I can't actually even believe that anyone would truthfully propose that. Which is why the fact that everyone else (including Grey) calling it a policy lynch, while Nero called it scum behavior, is telling to me.

[Thor665]

So not caring whether or not Mal is town or scum, just caring whether or not Mal is ignoring this game while posting elsewhere, is a policy lynch.

He doesn't care that Mal is ignoring the game.
He cares that he's *fake* ignoring the game.
At least that's what he said, unless you're suggesting he was lying.

You can believe whatever you like, I'll be over here lynching you.

[ironstove]

this entire argument is worthless, regardless of whether or not it was a PL, that lynch was trash and both you and nero are picking at minor details in order to justify another mislynch, it's a weak case and the stronger case lies in the reasons i outlined earlier but town this game are complacent and sitting back

[Foxbird]

Votecount 2.16

Saru

(1) - aronagrundy

Thor665

(2) - karnos, Fire Assassin

LmkGuy

(1) - Lowell

Lowell

(2) - Saru, LmkGuy

bji

(3) - Nero Cain, Thor665, PenguinPower

Nero Cain

(2) - bji, ironstove

Not Voting

(0) - No one!

With

11

players eligible to vote, it’s

6

to lynch!

Day 2 will end in

(expired on 2016-11-11 12:47:28).

Mod Notes:

Searching a replacement for LmkGuy.

[PenguinPower]

The 'Whatever, you can be town' from Grey in 777 was a reference to his 776 'you' was 'Thor'.
I swear no one in this game reads.

That makes no sense. There was literally zero to change his mind about you between 776 and 777, those are consecutive posts! He's not talking about you in 777, he already talked about you in 776, he's obviously just ISO'd Mal, and he says "Oh holy shit though. I looked at mal's recent posts. Whatever you can be town. This is fake VLA shit." Cripes it is completely obvious that every statement there is about Mal, not you.

Or are you now going to claim that his further statements of "Jesus. Don't claim, just die. Fucking fake VLAers. This doesn't just make you scum, it means you are garbage etc etc" was about you also?

And the thing is, you've shown from prior posts that you can read the game alot more carefully than that when it suits your needs.

{ Nero, Thor, Aronagrundy }, with Arona a distant third at this point.

Are you for real with this post? Grey was obviously referring to Thor with his "ok you can be town" statement. He called out mal for the fake V/LA, so he "let" Thor be town given previous interactions.

It's not hard to understand.

[Thor665]

I dunno - if this isn't fake it might really explain the scum vibes I'm getting off Bjj for his logic.
I remember loathing him in our last game together...I need to look at that methinks.

[Thor665]

That was actually the game where Espeo and Shinobi derp lynched me with newb help.
Most of my distaste was because bji was rude to me.
In post game I thought he had good logic and badly formed ability to exert pressure.

Vote stands.

[Thor665]

Well, 'okay' logic to be precise, but at least not stomach churning logic.

[PenguinPower]

Which game was that?

[Thor665]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=60650

[Thor665]

I was unamused.

[bji]

Are you for real with this post? Grey was obviously referring to Thor with his "ok you can be town" statement. He called out mal for the fake V/LA, so he "let" Thor be town given previous interactions.

It's not hard to understand.

I will admit, that the meaning that you and Thor have ascribed to his statements, could make sense if read that way. That is not the way I read it though, and my interpretation makes more sense when you consider the emotional content of Grey's post.

[PenguinPower]

No it doesn't. Not even a little bit. He literally said that, then voted mal, then went on a anti-V/LA faker rant. It's completely obvious.

[bji]

No it doesn't. Not even a little bit. He literally said that, then voted mal, then went on a anti-V/LA faker rant. It's completely obvious.

You are implying that Grey really believed that Mal was scum and using literally the dumbest possible scum strategy. I just don't believe that.

But hey, I'm happy that you're kind of playing the game. Why are you voting me again?

[PenguinPower]

Your posts on this page are reason enough.

[ironstove]

No, they're not. You're awful.

[bji]

Your posts on this page are reason enough.

You had your vote on me long before this page and never explained it, so giving that reason now seems a bit convenient don't you think?

[aronagrundy]

Ok for what it's worth the first few times I read Grey's post I thought he was saying mal could be town so it's not like it's a completely invalid assumption here.

[aronagrundy]

@Arona - why would he focus on you at this stage as scum considering how you're skating through and there are *multiple* wagons with actual heat on them (and he distinctly chose a side) That looks very much like scum looking to either back up a buddy, or buddy town, or some combination - why would he focus on you? That read is pretty thin.

But he did focus on me. He literally said in his catchup post that I was his only scumread.

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: thor

[aronagrundy]

Yeah I like bji's post so far. I feel better voting thor than nero because while I don't like nero's pushes on mal (in retrospect)/bji (now), thor has sheeped both of them.

[Saru]

I saw the claim, but I don't understand what you think it means. You're saying your VT claim is so airtight that everyone just up and decided you must be town? To your points, I would say: (a) you were an even EASIER wagon since you were almost dead and claimed VT, (b) why move from a VT claim to an unknown lurker at the last minute?, and (c) who would have it in their interest to move to an unknown lurker over you (who can defend himself, as you say) at the last minute if you're town?

Basically, I don't see how the following narrative: "I almost got lynched right at deadline, claimed VT, then a powerwagon instantly formed on a lurker who can't defend himself" absolves you.

You also haven't explained how it makes me scum, now have you?

Interestingly enough, it seems you yourself don't think that the wagon forming on the lurker was done by any potential scum partners, even though you imply this over and over. You're voting for LMK, someone who wasn't even on the wagon, when you should be voting for either me or anyone who WAS on the wagon, if you're so sure I'm scum who got away D1. Care to list the people on the malp wagon who wanted to protect me from being lynched? Because I haven't seen you actually do that, rather, you've tried to implicate me using other people's actions, while not listing those people.

You also dodged my point about how no one really came to my defense while my wagon was forming. Why would my partners allow me to claim D1 (on top of that a VT claim, which is stupid for scum) instead of just offering even a LITTLE bit of resistance? Again, last thing scum wants is being pinned into a claim D1.