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Post Post #2300 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:33 am

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I'm interested because you're directing the town's lynch choices quite significantly. You're saying who is and isn't the recruiter - which is great, as I keep saying - and we, as a town, are using that information.

What you're
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as I already said
, you may well have good reason for this but it means we shouldn't follow your results as though they were as strong as a full uncountered-cop-claim-result because - guess what - you're so very far from being a full, uncountered cop.

That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying we should lynch you. I'm not even saying we should press you right now. You presumably came out with your role info earlier because you were hoping to get us somewhere useful and I wanted to know if we'd gotten to that point yet. Is that unreasonable?
Ectomancer wrote:Oh I'm sure there is at least 1 player who is VERY interested in the mechanics of my role. I'm wondering why you would be doing their work for them (if you aren't them)

Were you the night 1 Cult Target Dasquian?
Scare tactics, which I'm not going to buckle under. Remaining open-minded and refusing to follow people blindly is
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Post Post #2301 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:51 am

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Twentieth Vote Count of Day Three:

Peers - 5 (Crub, Mariyta, Setael, Ectomancer, Dasquian)

cicero - 3 (Yosarian2, Arafax, Sudo_Nym)
Mastermind of Sin - 2 (cicero, Battle Mage)
PookyTheMagicalBear - 1 (HackerHuck)

Not Voting - 6 (PookyTheMagicalBear, AniX, Mastermind of Sin, -TinVision-, Sir.Laggalot, Peers)


With seventeen present, it will take nine votes to lynch normally.
To avoid things dragging, however, you
now have a retractable deadline for December 4th, 2007
. At deadline, 50% of
cast
votes will be sufficient to lynch; right now with eleven cast, that would mean six.
No one currently has that total.


An increase in posting by a broader segment of the players could retract this; I will re-evaluate in about a week.
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Post Post #2302 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:45 am

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Vote: MoS


I find myself agreeing with cicero and BattleMage more than I usually do in this game -- so given that I've got no support on my "Crub feels evil" gut feelings, I'll support them with theirs.
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Post Post #2303 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:52 am

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Just a warning: It's getting near to the end of the semester and I have a ton I need to do, so there might be a significant drop in my activity.
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Post Post #2304 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:53 am

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Crub feels less and less evil as I read him in isolation. I think he feels evil for the same reason VitaminR did. Sparse posting. But I quite like some of his questions with respect to Mariyta's claim. Not clearing him by any stretch but between the Ecto clear and what he's found suspicious I dont think he's the play today.

At the same time, Ecto suggesting that anyone who challenges his role is scum is very scummy crap nonsense. Ecto orchestrated this whole thing. He put out that Crub is not the cult recruiter then actually vote-smacked me when I dared to ask why he would say that. He's still threatening anyone who dares to ask questions. i doubt I would get away with similar behavior. I am inclined to believe Ectomancer because previously he looked pro-town to me before he claims. If it wasnt for that I'd be screaming for his head by now with the way he's playing. This town needs to remember that either Mariyta or Ectomancer could be gambitting us. That having been said, I'm still inclined to believe him. I just think looking for details is not a scumtell and anyone backing up Ecto's bullying should give their head a shake.

Finally, yes. I think MoS is the play right now. Even though Peers is agreeing with me, I think he's a perfectly reasonable place for votes to go as well.
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Post Post #2305 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:21 am

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Dasquian, did you miss this post?
Ectomancer wrote:
Dasquian wrote:I'm still here, and still wanting to do that big run-down of my thoughts. Sorry I haven't gotten round to it this week, I got mobbed by RL work but I'll definitely get some time at the weekend.

I'm a bit dubious about following Ecto's cryptic cop-pish claim to clear or incriminate people. Not because I think he's lying, just because we're all putting a lot of stock in it without really understanding it and that seems dangerous.
I endorse this statement.

Looking forward to any big thought posts or PbP by anyone at this point.
Because since then you have brought up the same point

here
Ectomancer's psuedo-claim is a little more troubling. The very fact he's sticking his neck out to make it plays in his favour enough to convince me he's not the right choice for today, at least, but the lack of specifics and general "trust me" undertone to his approach means it could still be a scum gambit of some description. I would definitely appreciate more information, and I think I'm justified in asking for this: Ecto, given it's been a while since you laid out your gambit and everyone has posted a fair bit since, did you get what you expected? If not, why not?
and here
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Dasquian, I don't understand what you mean by my "gambit", or "what I hoped to get" from it. There is no need for me to go into it all, as it will all come out as it should.
OK, this is what I don't like. You've claimed to have information that will lead us to a cult recruiter, and at face value, that's superb. I have no real reason to doubt it, but then again, I have no real reason to follow it without understanding the details.

My problem is that after all of what you said, you haven't made good on your initial implied recruiter-hunting ability and given us a good direction to go in, so now I'm considering other possibilities - was this all a big play to look like a concealed power-role, without actually delivering anything of substance? If you think keeping quiet at this point is the best move, fair play, I'm certainly not going to rock that boat. Just know that right now you've not given us too much, and I remain suspicious.
If you aren't going to rock the boat, then why are you rocking the boat?

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Oh I'm sure there is at least 1 player who is VERY interested in the mechanics of my role. I'm wondering why you would be doing their work for them (if you aren't them)

Were you the night 1 Cult Target Dasquian?
Scare tactics, which I'm not going to buckle under. Remaining open-minded and refusing to follow people blindly is not anti-town behaviour.
To where am I blindly leading the town? I have made direct statements that can be taken for their face value. I have agreed with anyone who suggested that it should be taken for no more than face value. Aside from that, I have speculated upon many theories, some which later gained actual evidence in support of them, (cult) some that were disproven (or seem to be anyhow) by claims that have witnessed support now (BM). I've made suggestions as to how our Frog Brother Masons should behave in order to protect them and us. Do you disagree with that? I welcome any dissection of it.
My current vote is an admitted bandwagon vote and I'm not grabbing anyone by the nose to join it.
Anyhow, not sure where I am blindly leading everyone.
The fact is though, the Cult Recruiter should be
very
interested in me. What can I do? What can I not do? What happens if he targets me? What happens if one of his cult members tries to kill me? What happens if I target him?
Now this game seems late, and in a fashion it really could be if the cult can effectively "hoard" a bunch of kills and use them in a single night, but it is still Day 3. If we have a Cult Recruiter, they must be feeling hemmed in as the net grows tighter.
Maritya has been bitten, but is exposed and says she will remain town.
I believe my statement concerning the Frog Brothers will effectively provide protection for them from the cult and from suspicion from us because they are very confirmable via results.
Hopefully BM and HH have some way to keep each other safe from the cult and suspicion as well. Im not going to ask, but if they do, it is yet another town member safe.
You follow me right? The net grows tighter. The wiggle room grows smaller and CR really needs to know what's going on with me as soon as possible or they could make a fatal mistake.

Hence my suspicion of being pressed about details. I said already, only take what I say at face value, but you asked me direct questions Dasquian, regarding my role. You weren't just warning others not to play the Mice to my Pied Piper.

It's very scummy behavior.

Cicero, it is interesting to say I am bullying in an environment where there is no physical presence and I hold no power not possessed by any other. You are additionally under suspicion for pressing for a release of information in a much broader range than simply my role and with little pressure to do so. I've already called into suspicion your eagerness to claim Beach Bum and you still could be the CR. He could also be your night 1 target and after I nixed your attempt for divulging all information, he steps in later for the attempt.

It means your opinion on the topic of whether it is scummy or not to be pressing me is null here, as is mine where the town is concerned. They can look at the quotes and make their own decision.
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Post Post #2306 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:07 am

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Wow. That's possibly the most scummy "No, -you- are scummy" post I've read since I got to this board.
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Post Post #2307 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:05 am

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Peers wrote:
Vote: MoS


I find myself agreeing with cicero and BattleMage more than I usually do in this game -- so given that I've got no support on my "Crub feels evil" gut feelings, I'll support them with theirs.
So because you've agreed with them on other topics and no one will support your wagon, you'll vote with them instead? That seems like a bullshit vote designed to create a counterwagon to your own wagon in hopes that you won't get lynched. You couldn't very well support a cicero wagon since you've been on his side, but you have no problem supporting an MoS wagon without any reasoning for your vote or even an analysis of other people's reasons. Seems more like you are nervous about your own wagon than anything else.

Vote: Peers


I'll read back and comment on more stuff when I have time.
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Post Post #2308 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:55 am

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Mastermind of Sin wrote:So because you've agreed with them on other topics and no one will support your wagon, you'll vote with them instead? That seems like a bullshit vote designed to create a counterwagon to your own wagon in hopes that you won't get lynched. You couldn't very well support a cicero wagon since you've been on his side, but you have no problem supporting an MoS wagon without any reasoning for your vote or even an analysis of other people's reasons. Seems more like you are nervous about your own wagon than anything else.

Vote: Peers
Holy OMGUS, Batman!

So, because I agreed with two people that voting for you was the best plan... and because I didn't vote for one of the people who're voting for you instead... you're going to vote for me?

That's the OMGUSiest OMGUS that ever OMGUSed an OMGUS.
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Post Post #2309 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:31 am

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Peers wrote:Wow. That's possibly the most scummy "No, -you- are scummy" post I've read since I got to this board.
Elaboration. You should try it. Though I could be wrong, I doubt most players here would agree with you, with the exception of possibly Cicero.

Oh yes, your MOS vote was indeed scummy and his counter-vote wasn't an OMGUS unless he thinks you suck for being a sheep following BM and Cicero, both of whom have dubious ground to stand upon. I dont know why you think blindly following their vote (with no case yet I might add), and not even contributing at all to why he might be scummy certainly deserves a vote.
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Post Post #2310 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:47 am

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actually Ecto, MoS's vote looked pretty darn OMGUS from where i'm sitting...
He evens admits that he only finds him scummy because he is pushing a lynch on him. :p

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Post Post #2311 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:24 pm

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Dasquain - I find your logic weak....Basically WIFOM

Peers - I agree with MoS that your vote seems weak...Can you give more to your vote other than the BM & cicero "support."

MoS that is def a OMGUS vote though...Both of you are looking scummy.
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Post Post #2312 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:17 pm

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Ecto, all I'm saying is that taking your info at face value is fine, but it's not got the reliability of a standard cop claim
at the moment
and I don't think it's unreasonable to press you for conclusions you've drawn after the time we've had working under your half-claim. Likewise, if you still don't think it's the right time to reveal more, fine - that's your call.

I'm not voting you, I'm not suggesting anyone else should either, but
damn
are you getting defensive about this one.

Arafax - all of it? Or something in particular?
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Post Post #2313 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:41 pm

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Arafax wrote:Peers - I agree with MoS that your vote seems weak...Can you give more to your vote other than the BM & cicero "support."
Sure. Of the five most-voted people, I find him scummiest, mainly due to his reactions to other people's posts and the last of anything truely concrete in his own postings.
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Post Post #2314 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:38 pm

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Peers wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:So because you've agreed with them on other topics and no one will support your wagon, you'll vote with them instead? That seems like a bullshit vote designed to create a counterwagon to your own wagon in hopes that you won't get lynched. You couldn't very well support a cicero wagon since you've been on his side, but you have no problem supporting an MoS wagon without any reasoning for your vote or even an analysis of other people's reasons. Seems more like you are nervous about your own wagon than anything else.

Vote: Peers
Holy OMGUS, Batman!

So, because I agreed with two people that voting for you was the best plan... and because I didn't vote for one of the people who're voting for you instead... you're going to vote for me?

That's the OMGUSiest OMGUS that ever OMGUSed an OMGUS.
I'm not voting for you because you didn't vote Cicero. I'm just explaining why you, as scum (or as town, perhaps), would not have voted cicero, because I'm sure some idiot would have come along and said, "Well cicero had more votes than MoS, so if Peers was trying to help a competing wagon he would've voted cicero!" I just wanted to cut off that potential bullshit.
Battle Mage wrote:actually Ecto, MoS's vote looked pretty darn OMGUS from where i'm sitting...
He evens admits that he only finds him scummy because he is pushing a lynch on him. :p

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That's because your definition of OMGUS is "If player X votes for player Y after Player Y has voted for Player X, it must be OMGUS."

My vote is not OMGUS. I would have cast the vote for peers no matter who he voted for, if he did it in that manner. It was not necessarily *who* he voted for that was scummy, it was *how* he did it. That's why my vote isn't OMGUS.
Arafax wrote:Dasquain - I find your logic weak....Basically WIFOM

Peers - I agree with MoS that your vote seems weak...Can you give more to your vote other than the BM & cicero "support."

MoS that is def a OMGUS vote though...Both of you are looking scummy.
See above explanation. If you have a counterargument to actually show that my vote is OMGUS, go ahead. Otherwise, stop being opportunistic.
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Post Post #2315 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:39 pm

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Peers wrote:
Arafax wrote:Peers - I agree with MoS that your vote seems weak...Can you give more to your vote other than the BM & cicero "support."
Sure. Of the five most-voted people, I find him scummiest, mainly due to his reactions to other people's posts and the last of anything truely concrete in his own postings.
What was the "last" of anything truly concrete in my postings? Or did you mean "lack"?
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Post Post #2316 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:46 pm

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Meant 'lack'. It's cold. Fingers numb. Send in the Saint Bernards with kegs of whiskey strapped to their necks, or I may be done for...
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Post Post #2317 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:56 pm

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I'm glad you meant lack. If you meant last, you had a defensible position. I think you'll have a hard time justifying the assertion that my posting has had a lack of anything concrete. You'd better start now, because that accusation isn't looking good.
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Post Post #2318 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:52 pm

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Peers wrote:
Arafax wrote:Peers - I agree with MoS that your vote seems weak...Can you give more to your vote other than the BM & cicero "support."
Sure. Of the five most-voted people, I find him scummiest, mainly due to his reactions to other people's posts and the last of anything truely concrete in his own postings.
Next on our tour ladies and gentleman, we have this beautiful exhibit of Irony.

Any reason why you are limited to the five most-voted people? Don't bother telling us you are here to save us from a No-Lynch. That is Cicero's job :roll:
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Post Post #2319 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:02 pm

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Man, I think Ecto has a crush on me. Too bad he isn't a woman anymore.
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Post Post #2320 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:07 pm

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Hey. Just got off a 96 hour turkey and pie bender. Will finish reading after sleep.
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Post Post #2321 (ISO) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:11 pm

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cicero wrote:Man, I think Ecto has a crush on me. Too bad he isn't a woman anymore.
Hey, I don't mind losing a wristwatch if that is what you want...
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Post Post #2322 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:39 am

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A) I'm liking my Peers vote more every time he posts;
B) Um, ew? I don't want those images, Ecto. Dirty, dirty boy.
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Post Post #2323 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:04 am

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Ecto = highly creepy.

No means no, dude.

No.
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Post Post #2324 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:46 am

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:twisted:
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