Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

[I Am Innocent]

So you aren't new actually. You're another alt. Why didn't you just say so?

3 mafia and a SK would pass for normal
2 teams of 2 mafia would also pass for normal.

And sorry, not going to believe your denial cause a newbie doesn't talk about balance and such during their first game on site.

P.edit - no you don't have to do a reads list

Two mafia, one being a vig would also pass, or at least did in one game I played.

[GreyICE]

What's your proposal to deal with a slot that won't produce anything Victor? Lynch them? Hope they're town? Nah. IAI should be vigged tonight if we have one. Won't waste a lynch on him if have a vig shot.

Hey, you started off RVSing him~

[GreyICE]

Also IAIs first content is to setup speculate. Poorly, since mafia vigs are explicitly non-normal.

We could just lynch him actually.

[VictorDeAngelo]

What's your proposal to deal with a slot that won't produce anything Victor? Lynch them? Hope they're town? Nah. IAI should be vigged tonight if we have one. Won't waste a lynch on him if have a vig shot.

Wait, let the slot produce some sort of content first.
If IAI is vigged N1 and flips town, what information do we get going forward? Compare that to if he lives to Day 2 when even if he doesn't produce content, people will have to take a stance on lynching him or not (which will provide some info after he dies).

Hey, you started off RVSing him~

Yes, because that's really relevent.

Also IAIs first content is to setup speculate. Poorly, since mafia vigs are explicitly non-normal.

We could just lynch him actually.

But then we couldn't lynch you toDay.

[MariaR]

Wouldn't suggest it because we don't get a lot of info off a IAI lynch compared to others.

[MariaR]

Like even if IAI was a hard sr for me I'd prob try to lynch a leanscumread who posted a lot more just cause we get a lot more to work with.

[I Am Innocent]

IAIs ISO is a teenage wasteland. I'll be caught up soon! Uh huh. Obviously it's bad. Not enough to motivate me to lynch day 1, but an acceptable vig target.

Oh no u didn't!!!

[I Am Innocent]

Also IAIs first content is to setup speculate. Poorly, since mafia vigs are explicitly non-normal.

We could just lynch him actually.

Nah more just a comment. One of my better games actually. Pretty sure it was a normal, I was the scum vig, 12 vs 2.

[I Am Innocent]

Also IAIs first content is to setup speculate. Poorly, since mafia vigs are explicitly non-normal.

Yeah nice call genius.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=63370

[I Am Innocent]

Okay, my two choices for lynch today are GreyIce or Jaack.

vote GreyIce

L-1.

[Jaack]

So you have nothing at all to ask me about anything in the game?

Nothing has popped out at me as I've followed the thread, but I'll review your iso to see if my mind on you changes and/or I find something interesting.

So you don't want to move your own vote because you don't think it would be useful off of either of the major wagons.
But you also question people won't move their votes off of a major wagon onto you.
Somewhat contradictory isn't it?

Not really at all contradictory. I don't want to move my vote because other options I kind of like (Cloud, TwoFace, maybe you) don't appear to have much in traction at the moment.

As for me, there was a groundswell of interest in a wagon on me in the couple of pages immediately prior. A single vote and a hard push could have easily produced a wagon. It didn't, or at least hasn't happened yet.

[BlackVoid]

Yeah, I think vigging IAI is a pretty horrible idea. If he's been busy irl and hasn't posted till now, it makes sense that once he posts more, we should be able to get a read on him. So far, his two scumreads match nicely with mine which is enough to give a slight townlean. If anyone should be vigged for low contribution, it should be Jaack.

Not impressed with GreyICE's posting at all. Don't like the Victor scumread or the call to vig IAI. Both seem like easy targets given Victor got pressure early on and IAI never posted. I have a stronger scumread on GreyICE than Jaack, and he's also a bigger wagon so I don't see any reason to dismantle it to go after Jaack. I'm keeping my vote here.

[MariaR]

I don't know why I'm feeling so opposed to this lynch when I don't townread the slot it's more of a null read

Still think we should give the guy at least a DAY to catch up because no harm done in it

[VictorDeAngelo]

So you don't want to move your own vote because you don't think it would be useful off of either of the major wagons.
But you also question people won't move their votes off of a major wagon onto you.
Somewhat contradictory isn't it?

Not really at all contradictory. I don't want to move my vote because other options I kind of like (Cloud, TwoFace, maybe you) don't appear to have much in traction at the moment.

Do you have any plans to change that?

As for me, there was a groundswell of interest in a wagon on me in the couple of pages immediately prior. A single vote and a hard push could have easily produced a wagon. It didn't, or at least hasn't happened yet.

Are you not concerned about Maria's vote on you?

[I Am Innocent]

I don't know why I'm feeling so opposed to this lynch when I don't townread the slot it's more of a null read

Still think we should give the guy at least a DAY to catch up because no harm done in it

You give me your greyice vote today you have my jack vote tomorrow.

[MariaR]

I don't know why I'm feeling so opposed to this lynch when I don't townread the slot it's more of a null read

Still think we should give the guy at least a DAY to catch up because no harm done in it

You give me your greyice vote today you have my jack vote tomorrow.

A free lol hammer....oooo *Shakes head* NO!
I'm giving this guy a day to catch up!

[Jaack]

Do you have any plans to change that?

As of right now I'm happy with my sotty vote. She's my strongest scumread and has an active wagon on her. I'm going to focus my interests there for the time being.

Are you not concerned about Maria's vote on you?

A bit, at least in the sense that my townread on Maria might be wrong.

I've already addressed her concerns about me and she offered any other reasons to be scumreading me since this 524, where she basically admits that her reasons for scumreading me were less than adequate.

Now since then, others have offered reasons to scumread me (mainly my lack of major postings and my 'voteparking' on sotty) which she hasn't commented on, even just an 'I agree' type of thing.

[MariaR]

Do you have any plans to change that?

As of right now I'm happy with my sotty vote. She's my strongest scumread and has an active wagon on her. I'm going to focus my interests there for the time being.

Are you not concerned about Maria's vote on you?

A bit, at least in the sense that my townread on Maria might be wrong.

I've already addressed her concerns about me and she offered any other reasons to be scumreading me since this 524, where she basically admits that her reasons for scumreading me were less than adequate.

Now since then, others have offered reasons to scumread me (mainly my lack of major postings and my 'voteparking' on sotty) which she hasn't commented on, even just an 'I agree' type of thing.

Okay let me spam the thread even more with an I agree to every single thing said on you.
No in all srs your townread weakens if someone votes you? That's new at least to me talk to me on that
You haven't really done much and everything you have done would be me just parroting about your going UTR and just coasting I have no new comment to add besides the light shade you just threw

[I Am Innocent]

I don't know why I'm feeling so opposed to this lynch when I don't townread the slot it's more of a null read

Still think we should give the guy at least a DAY to catch up because no harm done in it

You give me your greyice vote today you have my jack vote tomorrow.

A free lol hammer....oooo *Shakes head* NO!
I'm giving this guy a day to catch up!

No I would never advocate that without a claim.

But feel free to express intent to see what bogus claim he comes up with.

[CloudKicker]

Can i get a vote count please

[TwoFace]

As of right now I'm happy with my sotty vote. She's my strongest scumread a

This guy is doing something right

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.09

GreyICE (6)

Sotty7 , Hoopla , MichelSableheart , BlackVoid , VictorDeAngelo , I Am Innocent L-1

,

Jaack (1)

MariaR ,

MichelSableheart (1)

CloudKicker ,

VictorDeAngelo (1)

goodmorning ,

Sotty7 (3)

Jaack , Raskolnikov , TwoFace ,

MariaR (1)

GreyICE ,

Day one deadline is Wednesday November 2, 8 AM PST. (expired on 2016-11-02 08:00:00)

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch!

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[Jaack]

Okay let me spam the thread even more with an I agree to every single thing said on you.
No in all srs your townread weakens if someone votes you? That's new at least to me talk to me on that
You haven't really done much and everything you have done would be me just parroting about your going UTR and just coasting I have no new comment to add besides the light shade you just threw[/quote]

Well help me clear things up so I can get your train of thought right.

1. In 524, you conceded all your points on me.
2. You unvoted BBT in 551.
3. BlackVoid posted his reasons for scumreading me in 567. As far as I can tell, this is what started the interest in me as a scum choice (Hoopla and GreyIce would soon follow in assert interest in me as scum).
In 572 you expressed a continued interest in me as a scum candidate, but weren't interested in voting me because there was no traction on the wagon.
4. This is where Hoopla and GreyIce, and maybe someone else I don't remember sort of fall in line on the whole "Jaack is under the radar and lurking" deal. GreyIce actually addresses me about things.
5. I address these concerns in 611 and essentially challenge someone to vote me if they are scumreading me.
6. You post 618 without addressing me.
7. You nakedly vote me in 622.
8. You justify it in 642, repeating the idea that I was just coasting.

That section is mostly for my own reference right now, but if there is anything that is incorrect, feel free to correct it.

My first actual question is this: Were you scumreading me between 524 and 567?

[I Am Innocent]

Including self I have 5 town reads on the GI wagon. Feel good about it.

[MariaR]

Okay let me spam the thread even more with an I agree to every single thing said on you.
No in all srs your townread weakens if someone votes you? That's new at least to me talk to me on that
You haven't really done much and everything you have done would be me just parroting about your going UTR and just coasting I have no new comment to add besides the light shade you just threw

Well help me clear things up so I can get your train of thought right.

1. In 524, you conceded all your points on me.
2. You unvoted BBT in 551.
3. BlackVoid posted his reasons for scumreading me in 567. As far as I can tell, this is what started the interest in me as a scum choice (Hoopla and GreyIce would soon follow in assert interest in me as scum).
In 572 you expressed a continued interest in me as a scum candidate, but weren't interested in voting me because there was no traction on the wagon.
4. This is where Hoopla and GreyIce, and maybe someone else I don't remember sort of fall in line on the whole "Jaack is under the radar and lurking" deal. GreyIce actually addresses me about things.
5. I address these concerns in 611 and essentially challenge someone to vote me if they are scumreading me.
6. You post 618 without addressing me.
7. You nakedly vote me in 622.
8. You justify it in 642, repeating the idea that I was just coasting.

That section is mostly for my own reference right now, but if there is anything that is incorrect, feel free to correct it.

My first actual question is this: Were you scumreading me between 524 and 567?[/quote] You were right that I didn't think your wagon would go anywhere so I was debating on voting so when I saw "oh this wagon can go somewhere" I voted it number 6 isn't even about you it's about gray I was scumreading you long ago look at post let me go check