And I can't understand, literally can't understand, what the big issue about it is.
farside had been scumreading SnarkySnowman since D1.
She had also been pressured to use her multivote.
She was sick of all the bullshit going on.
So she abused her power to pull through and do what she wanted to do.
Something which is not exactly scum motivation extreme. Rather the opposite.
the simplest explanation (invoking OR since you did first) is that Farside ensured he was around before she made her move and ended the day.
Yeah, that's not occam's razor.
"Farside wanted to end the day immediately, and make sure Varsoon was around such that the moment she cast her vote, the thread would be closed." That's what you're saying.
I like this for simple better: "Farside wanted to prove a point. She cast her votes. Varsoon was online, so he locked the thread. There is no relation between the two."
You're tying together events which don't tie together without sounding like a stretch.
There is no way to argue what she did was anything but scummy.
And I never have.
You seem to think I give a damn about scummy actions, though.
But I don't.
Most scummy actions come from town, not actual scum.
I've always held this belief and I always will. You don't look for scum by surface-level plays. You look for scum by looking at the drive behind the action. The action was scummy. The drive behind the scummy action was not scum. I told this to Titus. I continue to tell it to you. If you want to convince me that she is actually scum, show me how what she did had a clear scum objective and mindset.
And what you've done? "Farside did action A. This let scum do action B." That doesn't cut it for me.
So she effectively
lied to confirmed town
about it. Furthermore, Titus had claimed that her BP was contingent upon being allied, so Farside lied to Conftown in such a way that said Conftown would be vulnerable due to having no alliance the next night.
And you just, conclusively, proved farside was town. Know why?
By your own confession...farside not allying with Titus would leave Titus vulnerable
this night
.
But she was killed
last night
.
So, her action of not allying with Titus could not be because she wanted to leave Titus vulnerable.
then a scum event was triggered in which only people who were allied could vote.
You might note that my top two scumreads solve this problem nicely: say farside is town. What would the scum event triggering then mean to you?
To me, it points to kraska and Shiro more than any others.
It's sheer luck that someone could expend their role utility to both move stress and blow up the scum event.
You might note I don't exactly believe in luck.
There's enough that's objectively scummy and unexplainable about her behavior if I assume town!farside that I don't have to fight over stuff that cannot be explicitly tied to her actions.
There's plenty of things objectively scummy about farside. She's in the top-three of objectively scummy, along-side TWIE (a gunsmith guilty) and Creature. The problem is, objectively scummy plays don't mean shit. It's first-level thinking to assume so. If they did, this game would be SO much simpler than it actually is.
And literally everything Titus, and now you, have given for farside being scum relies on objectivity.
That has NEVER been me. And never will be. I reject so much of the idea of objective scum.
Use your setup mindset for a moment and tell me how you balance a game when nearly 1/3 of the slots can never be mislynched
AND
those slots are super powerful and have very strong protection.
Simple: V plagiarized from me.
But no, more seriously: Xkfyu didn't start with the gems, he joined them later. Furthermore, the gems as per Yume's word weren't 100% sure they were all aligned together. Yume mentioned multiple times fearing a traitor slot among them--we know that they apparently have each other's role PM info, but Varsoon presumably gave a disclaimer similar to the URS disclaimer I gave, in that he told them that the role PMs given could in fact be scum fakeclaims OF said role.
We also know that there are multiple measures countering their extreme strength, among them the very real possibility of a scum player learning everything the scum need to know in order to take them down. (That is, if Creature is scum.) Their extreme strength with a "shitty-survivor" wincon also makes sense (the URS were the strongest roles overall in Gistou), since if they lacked that strength, they would be unable to stand a chance. Furthermore, many of their abilities--while strong--have weaknesses built in, among them things such as Amethyst being a miller when I am also a miller.
It's like I said.
I actually find some great humor in V and I basically coming up with the exact same idea. (And honestly if it turns out that the crystal gems could indeed be a secret second scumteam given certain circumstances, I'll be ticked off. Because, if I developed a mechanic, and Varsoon developed that same mechanic in parallel to me, who is the more memorable moderator that is more likely to be remembered for said mechanic? I mean, I have a following, sure, but even *I* would vote for Varsoon between us in that regard. Thus, why I'd be pissed he'd get the credit instead of me.
)
I mean, pretty much the main difference between the two is that the URS were investigation-powers-oriented, whereas the gems this game are survival-powers-oriented.
