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[Foxbird]

Votecount 2.3

karnos

(1) - Thor665

Saru

(2) - aronagrundy, Lowell

Nero Cain

(1) - ironstove

Thor665

(1) - Saru

Fire Assassin

(1) - PenguinPower

Not Voting

(6) - LmkGuy, Nero Cain, karnos, PenguinPower, AlpacaAlpaca, Fire Assassin

With

11

players eligible to vote, it’s

6

to lynch!

Day 2 will end in

(expired on 2016-11-09 12:47:28).

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[Fire Assassin]

VOTE: Lmkguy
I feel like I am back in RVS

[Thor665]

Then why am I in your lynchpool?

I'd like to lynch in here; aronagrundy, karnos, ironstove
I think Aronagrundy is probably town.

Then why is she in your lynch list? Also, why is she "probably town"?

@Both - because of the tail end of the wagon.
@Saru - I already explained the town read, what part confuses you exactly? Do I just need to link my old answer for you, or what?

wait, but how does this change the fact that he could still be lying

It also doesn't change the fact that he could not be lying.
I don't get this disagreement.

[Thor665]

@Saru - actually I misunderstood your question.
The answer for Arongundy is pretty much post 710 - but that is predicated on an awareness of my own alignment, so it won't help you.

[Fire Assassin]

I guess I should announce that scum have some sort of role blocking role.

[Thor665]

That drops FA in my town meter, but then sorta bumps him up again albeit not as high - it's weird.
Means Grey was killed straight up, probably though.

[Fire Assassin]

I kind of don't think grey died protecting me either. So we are in agreement.

[ironstove]

Are you going to tell us the role or not? Yes or no?

[ironstove]

Just type yes or no, so I can determine how I will play for the rest of the day, and I'll just state right now I am NOT in the mood for more fucking stupid wifom shit.

[Thor665]

What would a specific claim really get us at this point? If you think he's lying, a specific claim won't make his claim sound more real, will it?
I would say he should full claim if he's put to L-1 with a hammer intent, otherwise I don't get the point.

[Fire Assassin]

What would a specific claim really get us at this point? If you think he's lying, a specific claim won't make his claim sound more real, will it?
I would say he should full claim if he's put to L-1 with a hammer intent, otherwise I don't get the point.

Minus the L-1 stuff this post.

[PenguinPower]

What would a specific claim really get us at this point? If you think he's lying, a specific claim won't make his claim sound more real, will it?
I would say he should full claim if he's put to L-1 with a hammer intent, otherwise I don't get the point.

It actually would in my mind. Right now, we have no base to judge what is and isn't in the setup. He softed already, so since he didn't die last night (weird in my mind), he's dead tonight. Might as well start to give us some insight to speculate on the setup. If, once again, he doesn't die, then he's prob!scum.

[ironstove]

VOTE: Saru

[ironstove]

UNVOTE:

I'm going to go back and read.

[Thor665]

@PP - I fail to see a world where a claim of Jailer, Cop, Tracker, et al will translate to giving us better insight into the setup though barring a massclaim.
I mean, in a grand scheme of negative, the best I see for him in delaying a claim is if he is scum, and looking to fakeclaim, but wants to have some other role reveals to back his play. He's claiming a block though, which is already a fair bit of info, and I don't see value in him claiming unless a fair shake of people actually think he's scum. Him claiming for the sake of claiming is totally meh.

[Fire Assassin]

I thought about claiming this, and I decided to do it because I don't see how it's damaging to the town.
I know I was blocked by role blocked, and not jail keep.
I know this because I was neighborized including with my action failing.

So I highly kind of doubt with what I know about setup that the person who neighborized me is also scum.
That would mean two scum targeted me night one.
which sounds highly doubtful.

[karnos]

VOTE:

Thor

Saru or Thor are my lynch preferences. Since Saru seems willing to vote Thor, this seems like the easier flip.

[PenguinPower]

@PP - I fail to see a world where a claim of Jailer, Cop, Tracker, et al will translate to giving us better insight into the setup though barring a massclaim.
I mean, in a grand scheme of negative, the best I see for him in delaying a claim is if he is scum, and looking to fakeclaim, but wants to have some other role reveals to back his play. He's claiming a block though, which is already a fair bit of info, and I don't see value in him claiming unless a fair shake of people actually think he's scum. Him claiming for the sake of claiming is totally meh.

So why didn't a claimed PR die and an unclaimed did? Do you think Grey guarded FA?

[Fire Assassin]

There's no way scum went to kill me and blocked me. That's redundant unless they thought I was Vigi one of them.

[PenguinPower]

You realize that I'm not believing anything you say right now, right?

[Fire Assassin]

The funny thing is I am townreading you for being so bullheaded.

[aronagrundy]

Nothing, that's the point. He's been about tunneling Karnos since he first replaced in. It's almost as bad as Grey who had his head up his ass about wanting to lynch me. Let me ask you this: what do you think about Thor's play with Karnos and what do you think about both of them in general?

Ok first of all why you using tunneling as a reason for your scumread when you yourself said Grey did the same thing? Also my original bolded question was in reference to you saying that thor is using your logic. What logic? When? I mentioned before that you have been shying away from this claim.

I think karnos is town, mostly because I think you're scum. I don't think two scumbuddies go through an argument like you two did. While I don't like the whole deal with the hypocrisy about townreads, I don't like your move onto thor and I still don't like how you're continuing it.

As for thor, I'm leaning scum but not as strongly as you. I think he harped too much on karnos and I actually don't like the timing of his flip onto the mal wagon very much. I'm not sure how well you and him work together as a scumteam, but looking over his iso he's been very quiet as to how he reads you at the moment (I think in post 756 he implies you're null/town but who knows) and fairly quiet (almost dismissive actually) about your case on him so I don't think him trying to distance himself from you is out of the question.

[aronagrundy]

@thor: how are you reading saru?

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: Lmkguy
I feel like I am back in RVS

Why lmk?

[Saru]

Nothing, that's the point. He's been about tunneling Karnos since he first replaced in. It's almost as bad as Grey who had his head up his ass about wanting to lynch me. Let me ask you this: what do you think about Thor's play with Karnos and what do you think about both of them in general?

Ok first of all why you using tunneling as a reason for your scumread when you yourself said Grey did the same thing? Also my original bolded question was in reference to you saying that thor is using your logic. What logic? When? I mentioned before that you have been shying away from this claim.

I think karnos is town, mostly because I think you're scum. I don't think two scumbuddies go through an argument like you two did. While I don't like the whole deal with the hypocrisy about townreads, I don't like your move onto thor and I still don't like how you're continuing it.

As for thor, I'm leaning scum but not as strongly as you. I think he harped too much on karnos and I actually don't like the timing of his flip onto the mal wagon very much. I'm not sure how well you and him work together as a scumteam, but looking over his iso he's been very quiet as to how he reads you at the moment (I think in post 756 he implies you're null/town but who knows) and fairly quiet (almost dismissive actually) about your case on him so I don't think him trying to distance himself from you is out of the question.

My main concern with Thor tunneling Karnos was that it stemmed from my feeling that he was using my arguments about Karnos' contradiction about not sharing town-reads. It's a mix between the tunneling and the feeling that I'm being buddied. Hell, you say it yourself, that Thor seems to be "quiet as to how he reads you at the moment" and "almost dismissive...about your case on him" which is basically how I feel, hence why I feel I'm being buddied. Grey was a different story in that he was tunneling me like an idiot, but just tunneling itself isn't enough for me to scum read him. Otherwise, I'd have to scum read myself for tunneling Karnos at the start, no?

I've already talked about the arguments he was using like twice during D1, so no, I haven't been shying away from any claim.

No, I thought Karnos was scum for maybe a couple of days. But recently, I've thought about why Thor is basically taking up my argument and trying to use it against Karnos. Like I'm not ego-tistic, upon re-read, I can see me being superficial in my arguments against Karnos. I don't feel great about Karnos, but I feel even worse about Thor right now.

As for what arguments, basically everything. The part about Karnos being hypocritical based on the iron townread and the exception and all that. He's just more articulate with them.

Bolded just for you.

Also, if Thor and myself are distancing, like you believe, then why are you so worried about me attacking Thor? Or even the kinds of "logic" I use for my attacks on him? Your worry should be about getting both of us lynched since both of us are scum. If you believe what you say, then instead of harping on me for harping on Thor, how about you help me bus my own partner? I'm voting him, no? Or are you now going to make the excuse that I'm scum whose trying to lynch town!Thor?