Open 656- Tit For Tat - Endgame

[MiniDeathStar]

Wait, you already said she's 100% town to you. Somehow missed that amongst all those F-names, sorry

[Yuria]

That's fine, I don't know her alignment so I don't doubt I can be wrong. I wouldn't say that perseph's posts could be described as a straight act of just doubting every suspicion she makes or anything. It feels more loose to me, and not really someone scared of getting criticized. Her comment to farside about how she felt her defense of kop wasn't wrong makes me sure of that.

The one thing I can see with her being scum is that she might have not been too attentive to this game anyways, which would explain the casualness.

Peedit: yeah, I just have a good gut feel about her. Maybe I'll look super in depth later but I don't see a reason to rn.

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.14

Lynching

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

Flubbernugget

(L-2): FireAssassin, Gamma Emerald, Fancy Pants, Harkonnen97, texcat

texcat

(L-5): eagerSnake, Yuria

NJAC

(L-6): farside22

farside22

(L-6): NJAC

Harkonnen97

(L-6): Flubbernugget

Not Voting

(2): Kop, MiniDeathStar

Mod notes: Hi, I'm the backup mod! Fire Assassin is V/LA until Wednesday. Flubbernugget is the new persephone325. Deadline approaches!

Deadline: (expired on 2016-10-27 10:00:00)

[FancyPants]

I think we've been given another day? Plenty of time for talk still.

[farside22]

It's really not your fault MDS.
Well not only, this game is massive circle jerk that I am tired of taking part in.
Worst is the farside and NJAC back and forth from last page.

I don't care if I'm right anymore, I am not seeing how this game will be fun for me.
Vote who you want to MDS, I am not bullying anyone here. Vote who you think is right.

I'm sorry.
I was just feeling frustrated.
I'll step back if it helps, I'm trying to work on not being that asshat

[farside22]

I like yuria thoughts.
I've seen newb scum be both lost and faking bring lost and making weak pushes.
I've also replaced into newb players that play just awful.

Usually the easiest newb to read are those that are more open.
The rest has become NAI for me.

[Kop]

I personally think Gamma is confirmed scum for opportunistically jumping on literally every major wagon, but okay. Let's go with that. I still think I'm with Harkonnen though. I don't have a lot of experience with scum replacing out for being scum.

I'll move my vote if someone other than Gamma decides the persephone lynch is a good lynch. But if she turns out town, please vig the hell out of Gamma.

Kop, Yuria, what do you think about all this?

I've tried to make heads or tails of what the previous pages were all about, but I don't like using other games as a set in stone argument. People can alter their own game from one game to the next to make it 'appear' there styled games. It's a handy tool to use for some, but it won't make me change my opinion of what game they are playing in this one, not there previous scum or town game. Even if this is Gammas game style that he previously played as town, if I'm slightly scum reading him in this one, he's still that, a slight scum read. He could just be playing that similar style to make it look consistent because he knows a few people from his previous games.

[Kop]

we risk shooting a PR if the vigilante shoots Gamma. NJAC is a claimed VT. he is a safe vig kill.

There shouldn't be a safe kill for a vigilante. The vigilante should shoot someone that is universally scum read by everyone, and by himself too. By shooting a claimed VT may be safe, but it doesn't help removing strong scum reads.

[Gamma Emerald]

People I know:
Fire Assassin(his main was part of a hydra in the game where I was scum)
EagerSnake
Everyone else I have no experience with I can disclose at least.

[MiniDeathStar]

READS OVERVIEW

Player	Trustworthiness	Comments
Kop	probably town	My Kop read is a little outdated. I think he asks good questions and seems to use intuition as well as logic. A lot depends on what he's going to say later today.
Gamma Emerald	scum	My earliest scum read, and it hasn't changed yet. I don't know why everyone trusts him so much. He could be linked to eagerSnake, NJAC, possibly also farside22.
NJAC	null	His sudden fos then buddying to Gamma then attacking farside after I derailed his wagon made me doubt my earlier town read. His flip could possibly reveal a lot.
texcat	probably scum	Hasn't said much of substance or given any reads. Keeps making baseless accusations. Isn't helpful at all. I literally don't know why alban trusted her.
Fire Assassin	town	Very aggressive, tries to rally the town together, grills his suspects, provides analysis often. No idea why texcat suspects him.
FancyPants	town	FancyPants has earned my trust overtime. The only thing I don't like from him is that maybe he's a little too agreeable?
farside22	null	Very enigmatic person. Her analyses *appear* solid, but something tells me she might just be very skilled at misleading people. I don't like the whole farside/NJAC/Gamma interaction triangle.
Flubbernugget	null	Current lynch candidate, mostly because of the "scum replacement". Most people suspect her, but she could just be a timid newbie town. Yuria and NJAC trust her. I'm not very confident in voting her right now.
eagerSnake	scum	Half his content is fluff. Attacked Gamma then buddied up to him hard, while Gamma still suspects him. If Gamma is scum, eager is almost 100% a partner.
Yuria	probably town	She seems to have slightly different reads than the rest of the town. Strongly suspects Kop and used to suspect alban (me), who was a universal town read. I'm inclined to trust her for now, but we'll see what happens after today.
Harkonnen97	town	The other universal town read. I trust his alignment, but his judgements feel a little hasty. Claimed jailkeeper and softclaimed vig at one point. Very WIFOMy and imposing player.

[Kop]

Gamma, she feels like she's totally new to the game. I think she's just being super careful with her vote and afraid of lynching a townie.

But why not vote in the post she expressed the scumread in?

Which post are you referring too?

As far as Perses ISO, she voted in the first post she expressed doubts about Hark and Fancy pants?

farside22 (L-6): NJAC
Fire Assassin (L-6): texcat
Harkonnen97 (L-6): persephone325
GammaEmerald (L-6): MiniDeathStar

See all these one player votes?
They are all terrible because none of them are going to happen.
Persephone is one of the worst because its on Harknonnen who is townread by almost all players.
Gamma is townread enough by enough to not even really be considered likely.
I am not likely cause no one has expressed a scumread on me beyond texcat who is very likely scum.
And Farside isn't happening because the reason it started were terrible OMGUS.

Join the Persephone wagon, so we can end the day with a scum flip.

Thank you all.

Persephones vote on Hark was made in post #131, I don't think Hark was town read heavily as much as he is at this stage of the game.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Kop:

UNVOTE: Kop

Kop seems reasonable and logical, at least in my opinion. For my new vote, I'm in between FancyPants and Hark because I just find it odd that Fancy voted for Alban for his vote against Campion because he said it was a random vote. (Hope that made sense? lol) Isn't that what this vote is supposed to be? And Hark was immediately like "Oh, Fancy must be town."

That's my feelings on one little thing, though.

Expresses suspicion

I still feel suspicion towards FancyPants and Hark for the reason I stated before. Just so I don't have a no-vote on my record, I'm gonna VOTE: Hark. And there's still time left in the voting, so I can change it later if need be.

Votes

2 very separate posts.

[Kop]

And we're lynching that slot based on early postings and the way that slot replaced out?

[Kop]

At this point, I'm happy to go back to my previous vote. I'd be happy with Gamma as an alternative.

VOTE: Texcat

[MiniDeathStar]

Kop, what are your thoughts on the rest of the town?

[Harkonnen97]

you are all scum

[MiniDeathStar]

Everyone who wants to lynch persephone/Flubbernugget should reread page 1 and 2 for context. Not just her ISO. Half of the case against her is based on what she said during RVS. I'm starting to like her wagon less and less.

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually looking back on that it looks even worse because I voted Hark the page before. Looks like waiting for an opportunity to make the vote look good.

[MiniDeathStar]

That's pretty rich coming from you, Gamma. Also she specifically said she doesn't feel confident in her vote, because she was scared Hark could be town.

[Yuria]

we risk shooting a PR if the vigilante shoots Gamma. NJAC is a claimed VT. he is a safe vig kill.

There shouldn't be a safe kill for a vigilante. The vigilante should shoot someone that is universally scum read by everyone, and by himself too. By shooting a claimed VT may be safe, but it doesn't help removing strong scum reads.

This post is so bad, as if njac didnt claim from there being a consensus on his scumminess. Who are these "strong scum reads" you're trying to redirect the vig to?

[Kop]

we risk shooting a PR if the vigilante shoots Gamma. NJAC is a claimed VT. he is a safe vig kill.

There shouldn't be a safe kill for a vigilante. The vigilante should shoot someone that is universally scum read by everyone, and by himself too. By shooting a claimed VT may be safe, but it doesn't help removing strong scum reads.

This post is so bad, as if njac didnt claim from there being a consensus on his scumminess. Who are these "strong scum reads" you're trying to redirect the vig to?

What are you talking about from there being a consensus on his scumminess? The fact that his wagon drove quickly, then claiming a VT, I'm claiming that he shouldn't be a safe vig kill because he claimed VT.

Right now, you have a wagon on Flubber, texcat, whilst others are suspecting farside and gamma. I'm not redirecting anything, I'm basically stating that the vig shouldn't have to shoot a claimed VT simply because it's seemingly a safe shot. The vig should shoot who they believes is scum, or who is under direct suspicion.

[Kop]

Kop, what are your thoughts on the rest of the town?

I'm still under strong impressions that fancy pants, Fire Assassin, and Hark are town. I'm town leaning on Yuria, MDS and Eager.

I'm unstanced on Farside because I'm having a hard time reading her. I'm unsure on NJAC simply because he was null before the wagon quickly developed which gave me the impression that it seemed was a town wagon because of the nature of how quickly it went up, but then that whole back and forth a few pages ago made zero sense to me, it's a coin flip for me on him.

I'm scum reading texcat, and Gamma.

[farside22]

The whole quick wagon on NJAC makes me want to scream.
Why is njac wagon suspect and not the perse?
Why is one wagon more uncomfortable then the other?

I want someone who has said NJAC wagon looks to quick to respond.

[FancyPants]

The whole quick wagon on NJAC makes me want to scream.
Why is njac wagon suspect and not the perse?
Why is one wagon more uncomfortable then the other?

I want someone who has said NJAC wagon looks to quick to respond.

No scum want to call out the Perse wagon because they don't want to be exposed as her buddies.

[MiniDeathStar]

TOP SUSPECTS

Player	Suspected by	Suspects
Kop	2 (farside22, Yuria)	Gamma Emerald (3), texcat (6)
MiniDeathStar	0	Gamma Emerald (3), texcat (6) , eagerSnake (2)
Gamma Emerald	3 (Kop, MiniDeathStar, farside22)	Flubbernugget (5) , farside22 (2) , eagerSnake (2)
NJAC	3 (FancyPants, farside22, Harkonnen97)	farside22 (2)
texcat	6 (Kop, MiniDeathStar, Fire Assassin, FancyPants, eagerSnake, Yuria)	Flubbernugget (5) , Fire Assassin (1)
Fire Assassin	1 (texcat)	Flubbernugget (5) , texcat (6)
FancyPants	0	Flubbernugget (5) , texcat (6) , NJAC (3)
farside22	2 (Gamma Emerald, NJAC)	Gamma Emerald (3), NJAC (3), Kop (2)
Flubbernugget	5 (Gamma Emerald, texcat, Fire Assassin, FancyPants, Harkonnen97)	?
eagerSnake	2 (MiniDeathStar, Gamma Emerald)	texcat (6)
Yuria	1 (Harkonnen97)	Kop (2) , texcat (6)
Harkonnen97	0	Flubbernugget (5) , NJAC (3), Yuria (1)