Open 656- Tit For Tat - Endgame

[farside22]

Gamma wagons every chance he gets as town it's a NAI thing for him - he just changes his mind frequently. I think I already said this.

Link?
As I said I did a quick search and only got through 2 games that had him more tunnelling then voting whatever wagon appeared.

In this mini normal he was town and on the following wagons-

D1- Grendel, CCC, Square World, CCC, Manuel87, eagerSnake,

D2- CCC, VictorDeAngelo,

D3- The_Jester, gerryoat, Huntress,

D4- malpascp

So, 6 wagons D1, 2 wagons D2, 3 wagons D3, and then the only wagon D4

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Ummm maybe I'm wrong but I'll see if I'm crazy when I ask one simple thing.
You do realize hes tunneling the same 3 players for a good part of day 1, how does that read the same thing here?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma wagons every chance he gets as town it's a NAI thing for him - he just changes his mind frequently. I think I already said this.

Link?
As I said I did a quick search and only got through 2 games that had him more tunnelling then voting whatever wagon appeared.

In this mini normal he was town and on the following wagons-

D1- Grendel, CCC, Square World, CCC, Manuel87, eagerSnake,

D2- CCC, VictorDeAngelo,

D3- The_Jester, gerryoat, Huntress,

D4- malpascp

So, 6 wagons D1, 2 wagons D2, 3 wagons D3, and then the only wagon D4

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Ummm maybe I'm wrong but I'll see if I'm crazy when I ask one simple thing.
You do realize hes tunneling the same 3 players for a good part of day 1, how does that read the same thing here?

Wow cannot read there's five separate people there. The point is not that I'm not tunnely as town: it's that I vote wildly as town.

[farside22]

Gamma wagons every chance he gets as town it's a NAI thing for him - he just changes his mind frequently. I think I already said this.

Link?
As I said I did a quick search and only got through 2 games that had him more tunnelling then voting whatever wagon appeared.

In this mini normal he was town and on the following wagons-

D1- Grendel, CCC, Square World, CCC, Manuel87, eagerSnake,

D2- CCC, VictorDeAngelo,

D3- The_Jester, gerryoat, Huntress,

D4- malpascp

So, 6 wagons D1, 2 wagons D2, 3 wagons D3, and then the only wagon D4

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

In order for it to be NAI you need to show that he jumps on the same amount of wagons as scum. That scum Gamma game he seemed less "wagony". Which implies Gamma is just a wagon jumper as town.

I saw his scum game that was linked that was very wishy washy, I just don't see his town game here either.

farside, you said earlier that persephone was scum.
Well, they requested to replace out.

And now they are L-1.

How about some thoughts to that if you don't want to hammer.

Can I get a response to my question please?

We got an extra day chill.

are you not reading the game?

Yes dear.
I also saw the dude your voting is at L_2.

Happy scum day btw.

*Looks at number of years on MS.
Shudders*

[farside22]

Gamma wagons every chance he gets as town it's a NAI thing for him - he just changes his mind frequently. I think I already said this.

Link?
As I said I did a quick search and only got through 2 games that had him more tunnelling then voting whatever wagon appeared.

In this mini normal he was town and on the following wagons-

D1- Grendel, CCC, Square World, CCC, Manuel87, eagerSnake,

D2- CCC, VictorDeAngelo,

D3- The_Jester, gerryoat, Huntress,

D4- malpascp

So, 6 wagons D1, 2 wagons D2, 3 wagons D3, and then the only wagon D4

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Ummm maybe I'm wrong but I'll see if I'm crazy when I ask one simple thing.
You do realize hes tunneling the same 3 players for a good part of day 1, how does that read the same thing here?

Wow cannot read there's five separate people there. The point is not that I'm not tunnely as town: it's that I vote wildly as town.

HI I'm farside, I'm a known tunneler, I reconize tunneling for what it is. Wildly voting is not what I would describe from the game links I've seen.

[NJAC]

There is no way anyone can read that back and forth from NJAC and Gamma and see anything that explains why they are sheeping each other now.

You're lying scum. Where am I sheeping him?

Also, 695 and 697 were addressed to you, please comment/answer. And please comment my case on you in 705.

I refuse to replay a 3rd time to something I already responded.

You can keep acting like I never posted a reason but that is just a lie.

You haven't responded this:

Where am I sheeping Gamma?

You haven't responded those posts. You haven't commented on my case on you.

Try again.

[farside22]

Takes a deep breath.
A couple of things.
Mini: you stated concern at the quick wagon on njac, why are you fine with perse?
Looked around the site and perse doesn't appear to be in any other games.
I don't get the replace out, but he wasn't under any pressure at all to call it scummy.

Njac: what is your read on perse and why? What's the difference between perse and the player i replaced?

[farside22]

Some player that claimed to read the game is making busy work here.

Nah, you have to try better than this.

You have only played one game with me. In that game I was town and you scum. My ISO in that game not being identical to this one is a result of many things, including me not having enough time for this game earlier. You really have to elaborate why those subtles meta differences make me scum.

As I see it you're just trying to overjustify a supposed scum read on me, by bringing that ISO and making me look bad, without actual evidence.

Try again scum.

Where did you tunnel on one read in that game? which I said in this game. Your lurking here. Which looking at your posting on site: http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?s ... &start=100
Yes you took time off I don't dispute that.
I'm saying you made more reads in our last game and was more foot in mouth, which none of that is here.

I also asked you to share what you see as similar? Which you avoided responding to at all.

[NJAC]

Njac: what is your read on perse and why? What's the difference between perse and the player i replaced?

Null. I'm considering the implication of how quick the wagon on that slot developed.

However I want the pressure on that slot not to diminish, until we get a claim.

The player you replaced made an entrance with an opportunistic vote that I didn't like. Then he sticked on alban (a town read of me), without much explanation, and didn't comment on anything else. And finally he gave some vague reads which I don't agree given the time he gave them, and I don't find them quite genuine.

Perse is a newbie. I'm not sure that slot can be labeled as scum for the content in her posts, but maybe only for the replacement.

Now, can you answer and comment what I've asked?

[farside22]

He went from calling gamma scum to town all in one swoop.
Yeah if you don't see that as scum buddies helping get each other I can't help you

I read FancyPants' 650, I also skimmed Gamma's ISO in the game he linked. All this made me reconsider my read on him.

Did you read those?

Not all of them.
Why did you reconsider your view?
You keep being vague and explaining shit fucking all.

To summarize my case on farside:

1) Sgz's posts are the kind of posts I've seen from newb scum. His jump on alban's wagon in his first post is especially bad, like a newb scum opportunistically jumping on a forming wagon. This is mainly gut, so I admit not being a strong point of my case.

2) Meta reasons involving farside's post style matching that of a game in which I played with her and she was scum.

3) Her opportunistic jump on my wagon, while throwing shade on Gamma at the same time.

4) Add to the above Mini's 538, 539, 542 and 544.


Farside is scum my friends.

1) not me
2) vague but my style is similar to all my games. Talk to FA.
3) I think your both scum so... ??
4) that's nice.

[NJAC]

Where did you tunnel on one read in that game? which I said in this game. Your lurking here. Which looking at your posting on site: http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?s ... &start=100
Yes you took time off I don't dispute that.
I'm saying you made more reads in our last game and was more foot in mouth, which none of that is here.

I also asked you to share what you see as similar? Which you avoided responding to at all.

Ok. I was more engaged in that game than what I have been here, because I didn't have the time to properly engage in this one. That's also the case with other current games, because they started earlier. I'm obviously not going to approach every game the same way, so the fact that my posting here differs from there means nothing.

And I'm not bothering to make a detailed comparison of my posts here and there. My point is that you brought that argument to incriminate me when my wagon was gaining momentum.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Farside:
1) Still something to hold your slot accountable for.
2-4) Not really anything to comment on just pointing out the error in 1.

[NJAC]

Why did you reconsider your view?

That's what townies do in the light of new info/points of view.

[farside22]

And njac continues to dodge my question to him.
Fun.

[NJAC]

You keep being vague

Fine, if you think I'm being vague, then ask me exactly what you want me to explain/elaborate on.

Don't you just call me scum because of that, interact with me if you're really interested in finding out my alignment.

[NJAC]

And njac continues to dodge my question to him.
Fun.

Ok, I may have missed something. Please point to me what's the question you want me to answer.

[farside22]

You keep being vague

Fine, if you think I'm being vague, then ask me exactly what you want me to explain/elaborate on.

Don't you just call me scum because of that, interact with me if you're really interested in finding out my alignment.

For the 3rd fucking time what fucking things do you think is similar to our last fucking game together?

[farside22]

Who else are you scum reading NJAC and why?

[farside22]

I swear to God I'm going to start drinking one of these days.

[NJAC]

This one?

Where did you tunnel on one read in that game?

I wasn't so sure about my reads in that game. I saw something scummy in this one and I thought it was worth pursuing.

P-Edit: I see, I would really need to look at that game in more detail to answer that. I just remember your post style being similar. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, though.

[NJAC]

Who else are you scum reading NJAC and why?

Still working on that.

[MiniDeathStar]

Don't mean to interrupt this cross-examination, but I just wanted to say I'm not totally 100% comfortable with persephone's lynch, I was kind of bullied to vote her by multiple people. I still want a Gamma wagon today if possible. If not, vig.

[MiniDeathStar]

Oh, I just went to check the latest vote-count and just now noticed Jester had extended the deadline by 24 hours. Thank you Jester!

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I'm going to review Gamma's other games and see if there's any more info I can milk out of him.

[Gamma Emerald]

That wording doesn't look right.

[Fire Assassin]

This game can die for all I care at this point.

Requesting to be replaced

[Gamma Emerald]

What on earth?