The real folk blues [Canceled]

[SpyreX]

W/e I'm kind of done with the trying and look forward to the inevitable nonsense when there isn't a lynch to spare if its town.

[SpyreX]

I mean you're telling me that there's 1 non scum kill n1. Even with a normal posioner 2 non town kills. Yeaa

[DiamondSentinel]

So, this whole issue is really confusing. If we assume that Kraska is lying, and they killed to cover it up, then why wouldn't the kill flavor be "shot"? That doesn't make any sense.

I can present 2 probabilities.

1. Kraska had nothing to do with it, and the spy wanted to frame them. This would mean the kill flavor needed to be explored in more detail later, but that could be done after tomorrow's kill.
2. The scum don't have a spy in the neighborhood.

Personally, I find the first more likely, but only marginally.


If you want to argue it, I can go through my whole thought process and the inconsistencies this is providing, but I doubt anyone really cares that much.

[Cerberus v666]

DS, this is all complicated by kraskas pgo claim, which provides another explanation for vifams death.

Spyrex, wtf are you saying? 1 non scum kill? 2 non town kills? There's no reason why all the kills couldn't be from anti-town factions.
My point is that the kill on vifam means NOTHING with regards to kraskas alignment, or that of those in the hood.

[SpyreX]

Grapes was a vig shot.
Rb was not unless awful awful town.
Vifam if you believe the pgo was reflexively a town kill.

[SpyreX]

Which means a nontown kill last night. Nope

[Cerberus v666]

Yes, because protections and roleblocks aren't things, and we naturally see the result of every attempted kill every day.

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[PeregrineV]

Oh, to any lurkers, if you have less content than PV, I humbly suggest that you slap yourself, then get on your keyboard, and actually make content. Because that is unacceptable. (sorry PV, but you know it's true. You do have a tendency to compulsively lurk)

It depends on how you define lurk. I avoid useless and unnecessary posting. Mostly.

[DiamondSentinel]

DS, this is all complicated by kraskas pgo claim, which provides another explanation for vifams death.

Spyrex, wtf are you saying? 1 non scum kill? 2 non town kills? There's no reason why all the kills couldn't be from anti-town factions.
My point is that the kill on vifam means NOTHING with regards to kraskas alignment, or that of those in the hood.

While also a very valid point, it's an unlikely one. There's the major issue of the inconsistencies brought up by doubting Vraska's claim as well.

PEdit: PV, I was in MGSV with you. You lurked.

[SpyreX]

I guess I'll leave the hunt for rock hard skumz tm then. Keep on keepin on.

I'll be here when that fails and you remember that d2 in this wildnerness requires a gamble

[Aristophanes]

pgo

Lol totally okay with a Kraska lynch.

[Cerberus v666]

....

You seem to feel that I'm demanding some super high standard of proof. I'm not.
I'm just pointing out why all these people are wrong. Their fundamental assumptions about the situation don't make sense.

[The Ascended Masters]

Vote: Mirhawk

You realize this brings up the sum total of your content today to asking someone to join your townblock and a naked vote right?

I'm not sure what point you're making here.

[The Ascended Masters]

the only way for it not to be is if Vifram was roleblocked before being killed.

This isn't true. I'll explain why if it isn't if you'll have the patience to wait for kraska to answer my questions.

[The Ascended Masters]

He was not killed by someone with a gun.

Therefore his death doesn't mean shit.

Well, we know that the kill flavor wasn't guns. It's not an incredibly large stretch to assume guns on the terrorist faction.

[The Ascended Masters]

The ONLY thing about kraska that's questiobable is not claiming pgo D1, BUT....why thr hell would they claim it now if they're scum? How does that help them?

To add to this, there seems to be an argument that kraska is claiming PGO to cover for neighborhood buddies (at least this is the only argument that makes any shred of sense to me), but this obviously doesn't hold once kraska flips anything but PGO. The claim doesn't explain Vifam death in a satisfactory way that doesn't incriminate kraska and it doesn't extend her lifespan. Not claiming it immediately is not really questionable considering join date.

[Cerberus v666]

He was not killed by someone with a gun.

Therefore his death doesn't mean shit.

Well, we know that the kill flavor wasn't guns. It's not an incredibly large stretch to assume guns on the terrorist faction.

True.

Let me rephrase.

Unless the same faction that killed him bas access to two different kill flavors, one of which involves a gun, his death doesn't mean shit.
Better?

[Nosferatu]

Word, nos?

Vote the shrub with me

are you telling me to sheep you on shrub or something else?

[Cerberus v666]

The ONLY thing about kraska that's questiobable is not claiming pgo D1, BUT....why thr hell would they claim it now if they're scum? How does that help them?

To add to this, there seems to be an argument that kraska is claiming PGO to cover for neighborhood buddies (at least this is the only argument that makes any shred of sense to me), but this obviously doesn't hold once kraska flips anything but PGO. The claim doesn't explain Vifam death in a satisfactory way that doesn't incriminate kraska and it doesn't extend her lifespan. Not claiming it immediately is not really questionable considering join date.

*nods*

By the way, this is the reason why those of you trying to get nacho lynched early are being dumb.

Even if he's scum, he's scum who makes fucking sense and will act in a pro town fashion and figure shit out. Especially so if this is multiball(as it likely is)

And if he's not scum, then you just fucked up majorly.

[SpyreX]

Pgo was a panic fuck up claim to explain the kill as town instead of going i have nothing to do with this. It also cant be verified.

Unless someone can fling people at someone id be fine with that my role isn't super neat

[pisskop]

vote skrub wme

i meandid you see that exchange we had?


@cakes

who else tam is a vanity wagon we have easier fish rn

[Cerberus v666]

Pgo was a panic fuck up claim to explain the kill as town instead of going i have nothing to do with this. It also cant be verified.

Unless someone can fling people at someone id be fine with that my role isn't super neat

A panic fuck up claim made hours later, to explain a kill they had planned with their team during the previous night phase?

[The Ascended Masters]

Pgo was a panic fuck up claim to explain the kill as town instead of going i have nothing to do with this. It also cant be verified.

Unless someone can fling people at someone id be fine with that my role isn't super neat

The stronger ties are to the scum in the neighborhood that basically has to exist if the kraska theory is correct.
PGO can be tested by throwing bodies at it; yes, it gets messy if certain people as scum but it's also pretty easily workable.

[SpyreX]

Oh I'm not arguing there isnt scum in the nh. Thats pretty much a thing.

I just can't believe that we're rolling with mousetrap coincidences but hey w/e

[Aristophanes]

"Just throw some bodies at the PGO," says Ascended Masters. "Sure, it won't be scum bodies, but it will confirm that they are dead! Well assume they were victims of the PGO if it's convenient, and say we can't be sure they weren't killed directly if that works better."

Would lynch AM, Kraska, or Skold atm. All three should be scum.