STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Titus]

right, but there's reason to believe that skybird's claim was one of the mod-corrected ones

Who says the mod "had" to correct anything. V had guaranteed 3 (at least) will be 100% accurate claims. If he received 3 or more accurate claims, why would he correct the rest?

And no, mine wasn't mod-corrected, but it has been "rephrased" better. I said something along the lines of "I triggered my Joy Ride event which resulted in myself and the said 4 player being in an alliance.". I also had "all of whom are my own picks" attached to assert they were not random picks. If you want, I could go dig the PM I send for the exact phrasing.

The mod changed my phrasing as well.

[mastin2]

Right now, lynch order for me is basically TWIE/S_S (interchangeable) > SnarkySnowman > kraskaesque > literally anyone else.

I really don't think our lynch should be outside those four today.
But we've got a lot of number crunching and analysis to do. At least I do.
Later.

I'm running on less than 3 hours of sleep so I do need a nap, and I'm INCREDIBLY busy at the moment so I can't spend all too terribly much time on the game right now.

[McMenno]

well there's no reason to assume grapes is scum anyway, and the mod didn't change my phrasing

I think think the amended claims are Titus, Almost and Skybird

[McMenno]

Three selected players' submitted claims will be amended to being the truth when posted into the game thread in this way.

exact wording, for the record

@Varsoon say there are four players, A B C and D. A sent in the truth, B C and D did not. Will B C AND D's claims be amended?

[mastin2]

Take out SS put in Farside?

For fuck's sakes.
Drop the fucking farside scumread already.

She's not fucking scum.

Before I just had really strong feelings about it, and not seeing scum motive from her.

Now there's objective, hard fucking proof, of it.

Skybird's farside interactions are not scum-scum.
Furthermore, and far more importantly, farside's Skybird interactions are not scum-scum.

Plus, if you disagree with me about DGB being basically a nonentity in VCA considerations, if you consider DGB to be a pro-scum name (I do not), then scum were defending DGB by going after farside: Skybird did, and DGB did, and basically all the other scumspects did.

I don't have the time to deal with this shit right now.

But drop that damned read already.
How many times will you twist logic to its extremes and point out theoretical possibilities in order to justify her maybe being scum? Because with every passing piece of evidence we get, the scenario required for her to be scum becomes increasingly contrived and convoluted.

[Titus]

well there's no reason to assume grapes is scum anyway, and the mod didn't change my phrasing

I think think the amended claims are Titus, Almost and Skybird

No. My claim is 100% true.

I attempted to put my result and fluff my lack of thief ability use. I was not likely mod corrected.

[farside22]

Take out SS put in Farside?

For fuck's sakes.
Drop the fucking farside scumread already.

She's not fucking scum.

Before I just had really strong feelings about it, and not seeing scum motive from her.

Now there's objective, hard fucking proof, of it.

Skybird's farside interactions are not scum-scum.
Furthermore, and far more importantly, farside's Skybird interactions are not scum-scum.

Plus, if you disagree with me about DGB being basically a nonentity in VCA considerations, if you consider DGB to be a pro-scum name (I do not), then scum were defending DGB by going after farside: Skybird did, and DGB did, and basically all the other scumspects did.

I don't have the time to deal with this shit right now.

But drop that damned read already.
How many times will you twist logic to its extremes and point out theoretical possibilities in order to justify her maybe being scum? Because with every passing piece of evidence we get, the scenario required for her to be scum becomes increasingly contrived and convoluted.

Thank you. I was starting to feel it was just me.

[Titus]

Take out SS put in Farside?

For fuck's sakes.
Drop the fucking farside scumread already.

She's not fucking scum.

Before I just had really strong feelings about it, and not seeing scum motive from her.

Now there's objective, hard fucking proof, of it.

Skybird's farside interactions are not scum-scum.
Furthermore, and far more importantly, farside's Skybird interactions are not scum-scum.

Plus, if you disagree with me about DGB being basically a nonentity in VCA considerations, if you consider DGB to be a pro-scum name (I do not), then scum were defending DGB by going after farside: Skybird did, and DGB did, and basically all the other scumspects did.

I don't have the time to deal with this shit right now.

But drop that damned read already.
How many times will you twist logic to its extremes and point out theoretical possibilities in order to justify her maybe being scum? Because with every passing piece of evidence we get, the scenario required for her to be scum becomes increasingly contrived and convoluted.

I have been. I reached the conclusion that for Farside to be scum in the group of 6, TWIE also had to be scum. You then suggest TWIE is scum. You're filling in details.

Farside has a mountain of evidence against her, but you twist and say no.

[Titus]

Scum picked you. Ever wonder why Mastina?

[Almost50]

Mastin2:

Allied with Creature. No Action. Had no Ally.

Okay, so the no action is my fault since I didn't know I could say that, but this is interesting.
I said that I had no ally and that I submitted McMenno.

Also also, the good news is: I got a guilty with my investigation.
The bad news is: I think in spite of the result, TheWayItEnds is town anyway and just has a killing action meaning I (probably) wasted my role.

So, you're telling us TWIE has an ability that allows him to kill, and yet you still think him to be town?? With all the lack of kills that's been going on so far?

To me: ANYONE who has the ability to kill is a suspect. I firmly believe the scum had to forgo their night kills to trigger the Cluster.

VOTE: TWIE

That's until I know WHY he is town, and then -if convinced- I'll switch to Creature, again until I'm given reason to believe the claims he's Town aligned.

If both arguments are convincing enough, I will move on to lynch Shadow_Step.

Explain please.

I was specifically looking for which actions were mod corrected but there's no NK submission.

We were all wondering why N1 ended with no scum kills. N2 also didn't if I recall right (my brain is malfunctioning today and I'm damn too lazy to check back). I had this theory about the Cluster (which may kill "several" people) being their "mass-kill" alternative to individual NKs. In my theory, if they wanted to activate the Cluster they had to forgo their usual night kills (I believe it to be a balancing thing from Varsoon).

So, scum had the ability to kill each night but chose not to in order for the Cluster to work, and I firmly believe in that theory of mine.

[Titus]

Mastin2:

Allied with Creature. No Action. Had no Ally.

Okay, so the no action is my fault since I didn't know I could say that, but this is interesting.
I said that I had no ally and that I submitted McMenno.

Also also, the good news is: I got a guilty with my investigation.
The bad news is: I think in spite of the result, TheWayItEnds is town anyway and just has a killing action meaning I (probably) wasted my role.

So, you're telling us TWIE has an ability that allows him to kill, and yet you still think him to be town?? With all the lack of kills that's been going on so far?

To me: ANYONE who has the ability to kill is a suspect. I firmly believe the scum had to forgo their night kills to trigger the Cluster.

VOTE: TWIE

That's until I know WHY he is town, and then -if convinced- I'll switch to Creature, again until I'm given reason to believe the claims he's Town aligned.

If both arguments are convincing enough, I will move on to lynch Shadow_Step.

Explain please.

I was specifically looking for which actions were mod corrected but there's no NK submission.

We were all wondering why N1 ended with no scum kills. N2 also didn't if I recall right (my brain is malfunctioning today and I'm damn too lazy to check back). I had this theory about the Cluster (which may kill "several" people) being their "mass-kill" alternative to individual NKs. In my theory, if they wanted to activate the Cluster they had to forgo their usual night kills (I believe it to be a balancing thing from Varsoon).

So, scum had the ability to kill each night but chose not to in order for the Cluster to work, and I firmly believe in that theory of mine.

What evidence supports it?

[Titus]

The lack of an n1 kill is a major source of paranoia for me. If your theory is correct, my last final doubts on RR can be put to rest Almost. So I apologize if you feel criticized. I want you to be right, so I am triple checking you.

[McMenno]

have you thought about the scumteam forgetting to send in a kill :^)

[Titus]

have you thought about the scumteam forgetting to send in a kill :^)

Normally, I would laugh this and call it absurd. Yet, since Dragon Age, I cannot rule it out. How can we prove Almost's theory?

[McMenno]

I think I want to wait for varsoon's answer to my question

[farside22]

I reread the pt between sky and myself.
I'm thinking based on what she said xfyul is town and shiro maybe town. Idk as much about that, but she never said anything about snarky till day 3.

[Titus]

I reread the pt between sky and myself.
I'm thinking based on what she said xfyul is town and shiro maybe town. Idk as much about that, but she never said anything about snarky till day 3.

Farside, suppose TWIE is scum. What are your reads?

[Almost50]

Mastin2:

Allied with Creature. No Action. Had no Ally.

Okay, so the no action is my fault since I didn't know I could say that, but this is interesting.
I said that I had no ally and that I submitted McMenno.

Also also, the good news is: I got a guilty with my investigation.
The bad news is: I think in spite of the result, TheWayItEnds is town anyway and just has a killing action meaning I (probably) wasted my role.

So, you're telling us TWIE has an ability that allows him to kill, and yet you still think him to be town?? With all the lack of kills that's been going on so far?

To me: ANYONE who has the ability to kill is a suspect. I firmly believe the scum had to forgo their night kills to trigger the Cluster.

VOTE: TWIE

That's until I know WHY he is town, and then -if convinced- I'll switch to Creature, again until I'm given reason to believe the claims he's Town aligned.

If both arguments are convincing enough, I will move on to lynch Shadow_Step.

Explain please.

I was specifically looking for which actions were mod corrected but there's no NK submission.

We were all wondering why N1 ended with no scum kills. N2 also didn't if I recall right (my brain is malfunctioning today and I'm damn too lazy to check back). I had this theory about the Cluster (which may kill "several" people) being their "mass-kill" alternative to individual NKs. In my theory, if they wanted to activate the Cluster they had to forgo their usual night kills (I believe it to be a balancing thing from Varsoon).

So, scum had the ability to kill each night but chose not to in order for the Cluster to work, and I firmly believe in that theory of mine.

What evidence supports it?

Nothing solid. It's circumstantial evidence (lack of NKs), but it's good enough. If The town had a killing role in TWIE, why the heck is farside still alive today? I mean, I'm NOT suggesting she should be vigged at this time, but at some point in the past it was a plausible move.

OK, not farside. Why wasn't DGB who had already claimed a traitor and her flip would've helped with the read on KC. Why wasn't DGB vigged? There are others who -at one point or another- would've been plausible vig targets, and none of them was shot.

The lack of NKs means either scum are forgoing their night action OR town with protection has been shot at, both of which spell TWIE is SCUM.

[farside22]

I reread the pt between sky and myself.
I'm thinking based on what she said xfyul is town and shiro maybe town. Idk as much about that, but she never said anything about snarky till day 3.

Farside, suppose TWIE is scum. What are your reads?

Who are you going to tunnel when I flip town?
Serious question because everytime you get a response you put far scum equal player town based on my response and barely consider the fact I'm town.

Based on the iso from skybird do you think twie is scum?
What about cakez iso?

Twie is at best a lurker.
I notice in the iso he kept calling cakez scum but never voted the guy.
He has no interaction to go off of so my read on snarky and moi would be unchanged.

[farside22]

Mastin2:

Allied with Creature. No Action. Had no Ally.

Okay, so the no action is my fault since I didn't know I could say that, but this is interesting.
I said that I had no ally and that I submitted McMenno.

Also also, the good news is: I got a guilty with my investigation.
The bad news is: I think in spite of the result, TheWayItEnds is town anyway and just has a killing action meaning I (probably) wasted my role.

So, you're telling us TWIE has an ability that allows him to kill, and yet you still think him to be town?? With all the lack of kills that's been going on so far?

To me: ANYONE who has the ability to kill is a suspect. I firmly believe the scum had to forgo their night kills to trigger the Cluster.

VOTE: TWIE

That's until I know WHY he is town, and then -if convinced- I'll switch to Creature, again until I'm given reason to believe the claims he's Town aligned.

If both arguments are convincing enough, I will move on to lynch Shadow_Step.

Explain please.

I was specifically looking for which actions were mod corrected but there's no NK submission.

We were all wondering why N1 ended with no scum kills. N2 also didn't if I recall right (my brain is malfunctioning today and I'm damn too lazy to check back). I had this theory about the Cluster (which may kill "several" people) being their "mass-kill" alternative to individual NKs. In my theory, if they wanted to activate the Cluster they had to forgo their usual night kills (I believe it to be a balancing thing from Varsoon).

So, scum had the ability to kill each night but chose not to in order for the Cluster to work, and I firmly believe in that theory of mine.

What evidence supports it?

Nothing solid. It's circumstantial evidence (lack of NKs), but it's good enough. If The town had a killing role in TWIE, why the heck is farside still alive today? I mean, I'm NOT suggesting she should be vigged at this time, but at some point in the past it was a plausible move.

OK, not farside. Why wasn't DGB who had already claimed a traitor and her flip would've helped with the read on KC. Why wasn't DGB vigged? There are others who -at one point or another- would've been plausible vig targets, and none of them was shot.

The lack of NKs means either scum are forgoing their night action OR town with protection has been shot at, both of which spell TWIE is SCUM.

Good points.
Although action would fail on me, he said eventual snarky needs to be taken care of, but not killing snarky?
Lots of talk from him and no vote too.

VOTE: twie

I'm good with this.

[Creature]

VOTE: TWIE

[Titus]

There's a guilty on TWIE. TWIE hasn't contributed.

Why can't you just answer the question asked? I spent a lot of time reevaluating your slot given Skybird's flip.

Suppose TWIE is scum, what are your reads?

[Creature]

What are going to be the alliances?

[Titus]

I want Farside. I want to communicate with her on reads. Just straight up no noise. No bullshit.

[Titus]

Oh and Kraska should totally trigger the stress change at night if possible.