Mini 1830 - Game Over

[malpascp]

Hey guys, I've already read the whole thread, but have to re-read, brb later

Also:

unvote

Just in case

[malpascp]

Hey guys,

I've already read the whole thread

, but have to re-read, brb later

In six hours?

Started reading the moment I offered to replace, haven't been here for a long time so anything that helps me get a hang of how stuff works helps. Also cuz I would have to read it anyways if I entered.
Having a headache, will post content tomorrow.

[malpascp]

I loled.

Any serious answers?

[malpascp]

Well who is scum then? Other than me.

If you weren't scum, you'd have been hammered long ago bro.

What if the scum townreads me?

???
That's not supposed to make sense, is it?
Imagine this hypothetical scenario: You're town, and you're at L-1, and not all scum is on your wagon. You look scumish as hell, and anyone, me included (yes I'm very tempted) could hammer you anytime. Yet you're still alive. So either all scum is on your wagon already, or you're probscum.

[malpascp]

I meant that when Gamma was at L-1, he could have been hammered. Apparently not true.
Also just because Huntress didn't have the chance to hammer Gamma, that makes Gamma town?

Hey House what are the chances you're scum?

Pedit:Yes it's L-1

[malpascp]

I'm going with Huntress and gerryoat.

VOTE: Huntress

L-1, I think?

So out of 6 players, you're going with those two, putting one of them at L-1, and your highest scumread so far is now obvtown because they were at L-1 for 5 seconds and were not hammered.

[malpascp]

I meant that when Gamma was at L-1, he could have been hammered. Apparently not true.
Also just because Huntress didn't have the chance to hammer Gamma, that makes Gamma town?

Hey House what are the chances you're scum?

Pedit:Yes it's L-1

And I'm feeling better about your slot for not doing the Instahammer thing.

On Huntress? Don't think so. Doesn't feel the least scummy to me. In fact, if someone were to quickhammer her, I'd vote them tomorrow no matter what. Especially given how strong your case on her is /s

Pedit: Sooo you accused people? That's pretty bold seems conf!town to me... /s

I'll have to re-check how your case on eager started, brb

[malpascp]

I'm going with Huntress and gerryoat.

VOTE: Huntress

L-1, I think?

So out of 6 players, you're going with those two, putting one of them at L-1, and your highest scumread so far is now obvtown because they were at L-1 for 5 seconds and were not hammered.

Yeah pretty much, bearing on mind that this game does not exist in the bubble that you popped in at.

Didn't get what you said sry

[malpascp]

Suddenly your eager lynch doesn't seem so selfless.

If he does so with the basis of "yo my homie ask'd me 2 hammer" you bet your ass I'll vote him. Or you btw.

You're trying too hard to seem like conf!town.

And it's hard to believe you didn't want Gamma to be hammered. I'll re-read nonetheless

[malpascp]

*sigh*

What if Huntress flips town? You literally think everyone else besides her and gerry is town.

That's the case if our win con is the same. I'll believe it is for now.

[malpascp]

*sigh*

What if Huntress flips town? You literally think everyone else besides her and gerry is town.

That's the case if our win con is the same. I'll believe it is for now.

If Huntress flips town, there is only a two person scum team and the last scum is gerry.

You're actually cleared if she flips town, but back on the block as a suspect if she flips scum.

No way it's not a 3-man scum team. With 3 maf, town can afford 3 mislynches (i think?). Don't see a 2-man team here unless there's some crazy PR.

[malpascp]

Can we agree on not hammering until everyone catches up?

[malpascp]

My bad, forgot the 3rd mislynch meant loss. Alright then, can be either 2 man or 3 man.

I'll ISO CCC and gerry, brb

inb4 "omg House is setting up lynches"

Pedit: that doesn't clear CCC in the least

[malpascp]

Why do you think you survived this long?

[malpascp]

I get a hammer on scum making someone town, but a first vote? Especially right after night is over, seems like your average distancing technique. Not saying I find it suspicious, just think it's kind of a stretch to clear someone just because they voted scum.

And God do I hate meta.

[malpascp]

Can't think straight right now.

Should Huntress be claiming right now?

And who thinks we should go for a House lynch if Huntress flips town?

Pedit: doesn't really matter at this point, scum would do it for survival anyways

[malpascp]

If scum killed Grendel to have me mislynch Gamma

, why would scum!CCC say scum!Gamma makes no sense with me alive and that i was left alive to mislynch him?

Does not compute. CCC is town.

Or maybe that's not why scum killed Grendel.

[malpascp]

I still dont see why Huntress is scum. Her case on House is bad but that doesnt mean she is scum.
I also thought about the possibility of House being scum but it would never make sense for him to save town and get his buddy lynched.

CCCs case is bad there is nothing about why Huntress is scum only why others could possibly maybe not be scum.
Like i said Grendel dying last night over House doesnt clear Gamma as Grendel was most likely vote Gamma today.

malpascp not hammering Huntress right now doesnt clear him for me if she flips green because a second lolhammer is like admitting to be scum.
But so far i start to like his slot more i would appreciate a readlist with some thoughts about everybody from him tomorrow.

I would like to hear the reasosns why people are voting Huntress right now.

Huntress case is basically PoE and it's slightly pissing me off.
Lynching a scummy buddy that left scumslips someone would eventually find in order to get nigh conf!town status is a possibility. Something about House makes me paranoid.

I don't recall lolhammering anyone recently.
Was already planning on doing my own evaluation of everyone alive and also eager's connections.

People are voting cuz House is voting cuz weird-ass PoE and some more nigh-irrelevant stuff. Don't like it but kinda makes sense.

[malpascp]

So you wouldn't take a 50% chance of potential auto win? Thanks for letting us know

House's PM either says he kills the killer, or it doesn't. Jesus.

[malpascp]

I guess in this case House just dies. So yeah good call I guess.

Pedit: I think I've seen variations where BG does kill the attacker. It's still dumb to assume such a thing.

[malpascp]

Pedit: I think I've seen variations where BG does kill the attacker. It's still dumb to assume such a thing.

Not here you haven't.

It stops being a bodyguard when it becomes a killing role.

So what would you call a BG that kills both the BG and the attacker?

Pedit: never heard of one with 50% chance though, and ofc no such thing in Normal. Strongman BG or w/e could be possible but far fetched. Gerry's statement was dumb, can we leave it at that?

[malpascp]

Claiming an erroneous fact about the role someone else claimed and will 100% be detected is hardly scum.

[malpascp]

AtE

[malpascp]

So I assume you're ready to get blacklisted if you're scum?

[malpascp]

Why'd you get ready to something that will never happen because you're obvtown? /s

[malpascp]

AtME

[malpascp]

Anyway, as mafia I would have killed the claimed BG, cause that's how I figured it worked. And would have assumed it was potential auto loss if I didn't

If you're not scum, I am.

Malpa def is not.

FTFY

[malpascp]

I think I should explain why mal is town to me.
Why would scum unvote me when coming in? Makes more sense to change vote after checking who is the best target. Leaving his vote on me would have been more preferable due to leaving me closer to being lynched.
Basically, mal is cleared to me because scum would not do what he did starting out if I was town, and I know I town so he can't be scum.

tbh I always unvote when replacing in. By that logic scum should always vote whoever the biggest wagon is, and that's just poor reasoning. I appreciate it though.

[malpascp]

BG doesn't always kill the killer I think.

No shit. Which is why i said potential. It's 50/50. Congrats trying to save your partner

I mean not all implementations.

So you wouldn't take a 50% chance of potential auto win? Thanks for letting us know

This answer was weird af, why'd you repeat yourself AGAIN while ignoring what he was saying, instead of just checking it after someone pointing you a role doesn't work the way you're describing. Sounds like you pushed further on the subject on purpose to make it seem like you're newbtown.

[malpascp]

Gerry's answer was weird. You told him BG doesn't always kill, HE SHOULD GO CHECK IT. He says it's 50/50. You say not all implementations of BG kill. And again instead of checking or asking or w/e, he keeps knocking on those 50% after clearly being told that's not always how it works, while straight up ignoring the post right above him.

As for my read on this, gerry's either not thinking straight or just trying to pretend he's newbtown.

[malpascp]

BG doesn't always kill the killer I think.

No shit. Which is why i said potential. It's 50/50. Congrats trying to save your partner

BG doesn't always kill the killer I think.

No shit. Which is why i said potential. It's 50/50. Congrats trying to save your partner

I mean not all implementations.

So you wouldn't take a 50% chance of potential auto win? Thanks for letting us know

Even if you thought it was 50/50, that last post made zero sense. He told you it might not be 50/50 but you're still going with it.

[malpascp]

If either of gerry or mal hammer, I'm hounding the

other

one to the gates of hell tomorrow.

Be smart, bus yo buddy.

I'm guessing you don't want to hear a claim, Mr I-Set-Up-Every-Lynch.

[malpascp]

You say it's 50/50, he says it's not always 50/50, and you're like "why'd you do that when it's 50/50 lol". That's the exchange I'm talking about, not the one afterwards. Right here, on this post, while you were arguing something extremely important, you just outright ignored the explanation that was just given (in case you're lost, the explanation I'm talking about here is Gamma saying "not all implementations"). Literally you post, someone corrects you, and you post again reinforcing the point you were making before.

[malpascp]

Jesus Christ you're so dead if Huntress flips town.

[malpascp]

Also I don't think you can call what's happening here is "tons of friction and arm twisting". Huntress didn't even comment on the fact people are voting on her. Most friction was people arguing about your weird ass posting.

[malpascp]

Bulletproof townie is a joke of a claim.

Intent to hammer

Not hammering so we can discuss more before night comes.

House, you planning on using your ability?

[malpascp]

Also there's at least 3 town PRs. We should assume there's at least one for scum.
Did Square claim his abilities? Can't find it.

Pedit: Let's say you used it, who'd you target?

[malpascp]

Well that was an interesting turn of events. Unfortunately I'm too drunk for this game right now, will catch up tomorrow. Please don't do anything dumb until then.

Pedit: how badly do we need a hammer?

[malpascp]

Who do you think is Huntress' buddy?

[malpascp]

I'm just as willing to hammer as I was before, but I really need to reread this whole day carefully. If someone hammers so be it.

[malpascp]

Have re-read, and yes Huntress does seem obv scum from PoE, that absurd claim, the post where she votes eager does seem different from her usual (just re-ISO her), voting House for "not believing 4 PRs", and knowing that I myself am not scum, leads me to believe she's today's best possible lynch.

Gerry's change of heard was kind of fast, but proceeded on the least scummy way possible. Could have been more of a realization he wouldn't survive today (and tomorrow) unless he voted for Huntress.

CCC seems the towniest of all tbh, at least post-wise, everything seems as genuine as it gets. I can't see a single shade of misrep or slight bias anywhere.

Gamma keeps sheeping and it pisses me off tbh I'd like him to have at least SOMETHING of an opinion that doesn't bring dejà-vú. Also I think the argument on him being town cuz House is alive isn't all that great. After all, if House was so focused on him, wouldn't it bring him even more attention if House died?

Why is Manuel conf!town? I don't think that was discussed today and I prob missed it on my skimming.

[malpascp]

VOTE: gerryoat
I can sheep that.

I actually feel like a moron because I put so much thought into my votes, while this guy is just throwing them around like confetti.

[malpascp]

I don't think there's a third scum...

No point in setup spec right now.
Fuck it, lets find out.

VOTE: Huntress

[malpascp]

*hoping for a happy dance in the very near future*

[malpascp]

Other one is malpascp i liked his early posts but after that 2 things caught my attention.

Can't think straight right now.
Should Huntress be claiming right now?
And who thinks we should go for a House lynch if Huntress flips town?
Pedit: doesn't really matter at this point, scum would do it for survival anyways

I dont like the silly guy play asking what Huntress should do. For me it doesnt fit his play.

I honestly have no clue what you're talking about here, if you check you'll see I've been out of here for a few years so it's a natural question about the standard procedure

Why would he ask about you now before the flip and before the Nightkill? My guess is Huntress is town and he wants to know if he can set up a lynch on you tomorrow if he keeps you alive tonight.

Getting an answer from House is very different from getting to know his actions tonight. You should know better.

Bulletproof townie is a joke of a claim.

Intent to hammer

Not hammering so we can discuss more before night comes.
House, you planning on using your ability?

He is dead set on hammering her because she claimed Bullet-proof? Doesnt make sense to me.

Already explained

He was sure there have to be 3 scum because 2 scum would be unbalanced until House explained 3 scum would mean 2 misslynches.
Bulletproof balances out 3 scum quite well thats why i want to know why her claim is so that he wants to hammer her right after that post.

Jesus Christ you're so dead if Huntress flips town.

He also played dumb about the lolhammer his slot did when i mentioned it.

What the hell are you expecting me to say about this? "Oh my slot lolhammered town yesterday? Well, guess I must be scum huh?". Seriously what is it that you expected to hear? Also I don't even know why you quoted this.

VOTE: malpascp

[malpascp]

It doesnt matter how many years you didnt play, Huntress had to claim at that point. She probably didnt claim earlier because it helps scum.

Your question wasnt directed at House so what is this answer about?

No you didnt explain you just repeated that BP claim is absurd but you never explained why you think so.

You ignored the next point because you cant answer it?

I already mentioned that you dont need to explain anything about the lolhammer but fact is your slot did it and i will not ignore this fact or let you brush it off as if it has nothing to do with you.

The quote is part of the argument you ignored.
You were suspicious of House until Huntress claimed even to the point were you said what i quoted.
So explain why her claim changed your reads because you still didnt do that.

I don't play dumb/silly/whatever. If you think me asking if Huntress should claim at L-1 is scummy, so be it, I don't really care, and you should have more to worry about anyway. What I find weird is that it seems nothing changed for you since Huntress flipped.

My bad, I thought you were complaining about me asking for House's night action (i'm not a morning person ok). To answer your question, I wanted to hear what people have to say about House, who apparently is our Lord and Savior for some.

BP claim being absurd and scummy

was already explained

.

The BP claim at this stage is always scummy because it's so scum-convenient. Given the PRs already outed, it's even more. That's independent of the setup.
I shared some thoughts about the setup, like most people already did, and it seems noone's certain if it's 2 or 3 man scum team, so that's pretty much irrelevant. You trying to link that to me not buying Huntress' claim makes zero sense. At most, town having so many PRs will be balanced by scum PRs, not numbers. Not in a setup this small, and without the town's PRs being that powerfull (granted we don't know the JoaT's abilities).

Tough luck, I don't have anything to do with it. Anyways, lolhammers tend to have more to do with the hammerer's ability/playstyle rather than alignment.

I'm suspicious of everyone. House made a good case on Huntress, I was leaning towards voting her, then her claim came, and I decided she was prob!scum at that point.
I can't get a read on House because he makes me paranoid as hell.

[malpascp]

Also vanilla townie here

[malpascp]

I doubt CCC is town because his logic is sound (even if there's a lot of WIFOMy stuff like House surviving = town!Gamma), but I know I'm town.
My highest town read right now is Manuel, due to his posting but mostly because of House's flip.
So as far as I'm concerned, scum is in CCC/Gamma/Gerry. I'll have to think about this for a while longer.

Also let's be honest here, did anyone here NOT want Huntress lynched yesterday? I'm pretty sure anyone could have been the hammer.

btw, I wasn't drunk when I hammered. I was drunk slightly before, and even so was more hungover than drunk. I'd never screw a game no matter how wasted I am. What Jester did (if true) was just stupid.

[malpascp]

Gerry is right here. He put his neck on the line to defend town, and his vote was not a plea vote. Dude's town. Meaning we have auto between CCC and

Gamma

.

FTFY

Yes I do think gerry is prob town

[malpascp]

Except for Manuel.
Manuel and gerry are prob town so that leaves the 3 of us. I know I'm not scum so I FoS Gamma and CCC. Even though I'm not sure which one to lynch today.

Thoughts on House's death?

[malpascp]

Actually never thought for a second he would protect someone else.

After a quick ISO, the one most likely to be eager's partner is CCC, so I'd vote for him.

[malpascp]

Well that's it folks