The real folk blues [Canceled]

[PJ.]

Crap, i'm late.

/confirm VOTE: ABR

[PJ.]

Only VOTE: abr[/unvote]. never not vote abr

[PJ.]

VOTE: abr

[PJ.]

Probably not a scum claim. policy says always take abr down.

[PJ.]

im actually gonna go eat wonton soup

Then I park my car, then I fuck your bitch. Eat that wonton soup, wet like wonton soup

[PJ.]

Not enough ABR votes.

[PJ.]

Not enough ABR votes.

RVS ended hours ago.

It's not random. It's an honest to god policy lynch.

[PJ.]

No. I have a list of 5ish people that I want gone, I don't care about their alignments. I hate mafia, I'm only here for the flavor and I want this to be as smooth as possible and as little antagonistic behavior as possible. So all the rude, antagonistic people are out. We can scumhunt later.

I deleted the misquote of my first opening post. ~FA

[PJ.]

No. I have a list of 5ish people that I want gone, I don't care about their alignments. I hate mafia, I'm only here for the flavor and I want this to be as smooth as possible and as little antagonistic behavior as possible. So all the rude, antagonistic people are out. We can scumhunt later.

[PJ.]

Can you delete the misquote

[PJ.]

House is on the list. It's a ranked list. House next.

[PJ.]

Yuck.

[PJ.]

Norvicodin off the list, Sekirei placed higher on it. ABR still numero uno. Can't lynch him alone

[PJ.]

1. d4 d5

[PJ.]

1. d4 d5 2. e3 e6

[PJ.]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[PJ.]

I don't like people in the collective not voting with the collective or I'd join since it seems that ABR is not being abrasive this game and has taken to complete silence.

[PJ.]

VOTE: maker of zanos

[PJ.]

Without hardclaiming, can kraska tell us if she is some kind of paranoid "bomb" owner? That's really all I need. Otherwise I'm cool with seeing us switch gears and go after mirhawk or davesaz.

[PJ.]

No. I have a list of 5ish people that I want gone, I don't care about their alignments. I hate mafia, I'm only here for the flavor and I want this to be as smooth as possible and as little antagonistic behavior as possible. So all the rude, antagonistic people are out. We can scumhunt later.

I deleted the misquote of my first opening post. ~FA

Who do you want gone, and why are you willing to play mafia now?

Because there is information now. Day 1s are stupid and normally take way too long. You can't read anyone of the internet. There's no such thing. We have info that a) vifam targeted kraska. B) vifam has been hit by a explosives("bomb") (probably even was double killed with biological weapons). C) he told the neighborhood what he is and who he's targetting.
Also d) there is misinformation that kraska is in the neighborhood. Idk why that is out there but it is.

As far as I am concerned the possibilities for at least 1 of our dead mans are - 2 different bad guys in the neighborhood(kraska may or may not be their buddy), 1 bad guy in neighborhood and kraska bomb passive, 1 random shot and kraska bomb passive, 2 random shots on the same guy.

I don't think math is scum. Kraska could be. But we can save that for later and test any claim, I want to start with cleaning up the neighborhood of either mirhawk or davesaz. Both are lurking, both had inside info on vifam.

[PJ.]

But if you're still telling me to go to the antagonistic player well, let's lynch abr.

[PJ.]

Since at this point the hood is not a secret, it's math, me, davesaz, mirhawk, and the recently deceased vifam. None of us are alignment confirmed.

[PJ.]

Well beside dead gunsmith I guess.

[PJ.]

We're not lynching anyone that isn't in the neighborhood or kraska.

[PJ.]

Good enough for now. VOTE: mirhawk

[PJ.]

Good enough for now. VOTE: mirhawk

These are both piles of garbage and are prob lurkerscum.

Then vote me. Everyone's vote should be on a member of the neighborhood or kraska if you don't buy her incoming pgo type role claim.

[PJ.]

Fuck that was supposed to be sir cakes quote, I fucking hate quoting on mobile. Fuck this game.

[PJ.]

I think 1 was a scum kill and 1 was a pgo. Kraska said she was claiming later and said we couldn't vig her. So that was good enough for me to take it has a pgo. That's a testable claim, so we can deal with that later. Like I explained last page, your vote should really be on a member of the neighborhood but if you really feel kraska is the play, that's fine too, there is no reason to go anywhere other than those 5 places today. I personally fancy a mirhawk of davesaz lynch.

[PJ.]

Kraska is not in the hood. Please stop saying that

[PJ.]

for someone who is so sensitive about people using the right pronoun, you should probably use the correct ones for Kraska.

Also, I still think we should be lynching mirhawk here.

[PJ.]

Well yeah, flavor, let's break the game with it, because it's important. Or the kills wouldn't be seperated like that.

[PJ.]

I seriously think we should lynch mirhawk today, he seems scummiest of the 3 neighbors who's alignment I do not know. I think getting the scum out of the neighborhood should be the highest priority. I feel that kraska was scummy or whatever, but I feel that at best this is a town with backwards priority on a testable claim.

[PJ.]

Wait, when did fa confirm vifam was 1 kill?

mod: is vifam one kill?

[PJ.]

welp, fuck, back to square 1 i guess.

unvote

[PJ.]

I'm implying I know my own alignment, also if we're saying kraska claim checks out, then there is no scum in the neighborhood. That's what the info of 1 kill checks out. It's gone from "only lynch someone in the neighborhood" to "don't lynch anyone in the neighborhood."
I'm leaning towards expedience but honestly I have to reprocess the entire game because of the amount of misinformation people were working on for the last few pages.

Facts:
Kraska is both not in the neighborhood and has claimed 2 shot pgo.
Vifam was hit with 1 kill and it was presumably kraska

[PJ.]

Because you like swans. Yuck

[PJ.]

I think Nero is the most town player right now

And I'm willing to keep kraska around because it's testable and it also allows us to test people into it.

[PJ.]

Why do you town read me Panzer?

I don;t know man, I like the cut of your jib.

[PJ.]

i'm absolutely not reading another game. I'm barely reading this one.

[PJ.]

132 pages !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

[PJ.]

The solution is to PL people.

Why is this site so afraid of enforcing a code of conduct that isnt from moderators?

I'm for this plan

Who do you want to smash? I've been pro-policy lynching all fucking game. let's gooooooooooo

[PJ.]

VOTE: space dandy [/unvote]

Good enough for me friends

[PJ.]

VOTE: space dandy

[PJ.]

Cerberus tomorrow!

[PJ.]

I'm happy dgb is here towning it up.

I can't imagine seeing anything special to convince that the roles comment didn't come from scum so I'm sticking with SD slot probably

[PJ.]

Shut up scumbo.

[PJ.]

I've never thought expedience was town, they've been relatively scummy all game and kling pointed most of it out.

[PJ.]

Also I guess it came off more hostile then intended, probably because everyone has been on edge all game.it was mostly meant jokingly. Except for the scumbo part. Cause you scum but that's ok

[PJ.]

Sorry for seeming hostile. I am not being hostile.

[PJ.]

I've never thought expedience was town, they've been relatively scummy all game and

kling pointed most of it out.

If that was most of it, then explain to me how Exp is scum again?

Rephrase the question.

[PJ.]

VOTE: skrub[/unvote]

MORE LAZY OPPURTUNISM!!

[PJ.]

VOTE: skrub rather

[PJ.]

I don't know what a counterwagon is so....

[PJ.]

Panzer and davesaz: you guys agree with

3) There is scum in our hood and Mirhawk keeps insisting it is not the case and posting terribad bullshit in there.

?

Neither of you have seemed interested in pushing Mirhawk in thread so I'm curious if you agree with math's take here, or if you think they're just wrong, or if you think they're bullshitting.

I've already talked about this, but I believe the Kraska claim(or at least I'm willing to test it), so as a result of that, I do not currently believe that there is a scum in the neighborhood. I think this varsoon counterwagon is scummy as hell because I believe it's beating a dead horse.

Math's argument against Kraska is basically that she was scummy d1 and played her claimed role wrong therefore she is scum -> which makes Mirhawk her buddy who gave her the inside info. My counterargument is sometimes people play bad, man. I play bad all the time because I am bad. So if Kraska is bad town then Mirhawk probably isn't scum cause the most damning thing is gone.

I'm in on Skrub, Varsoon,or Exp for now. If something convincing comes up, I can be coerced into going a different direction. I 100% will not be on (another) Mirhawk wagon today.

[PJ.]

w/e. Not useful but not inherently scummy i guess?

[PJ.]

Umm.

What Varsoon counterwagon are you talking about, because it sounds like you believe Varsoon is a counterwagon to scum, and the wagon on him is scummy as hell, but the next paragraph you say you support his wagon. I'm having trouble parsing this, please clarify

Varsoon voting mithawk to counterwagon from skrub

[PJ.]

Umm.

What Varsoon counterwagon are you talking about, because it sounds like you believe Varsoon is a counterwagon to scum, and the wagon on him is scummy as hell, but the next paragraph you say you support his wagon. I'm having trouble parsing this, please clarify

Varsoon voting mithawk to counterwagon from skrub

...
Varsoon didn't do that.

Vedith did.

Misread sry. Add Vedith to list of lynches.

@Vedith, no I'm against you derailing your buddies' wagon by revisiting a wagon on a townie that started due to misinformation.

[PJ.]

Add vedith, varsoon has enough ill will built up from space dandy which probably played a part in me thinking it was him that said it and not vedith

[PJ.]

1) I'm not using the pronoun about you, you dumbshit, learn how to read. Those pronouns are all for kraska, a she. Also someone that you have been calling "he" despite being corrected, so shut the fuck up about pronouns. You're the only one that cares and you're the one who is fucking it up more than anyone else.
3) No one gives a fuck about this game, is everyone scum?
5) She didn't know her kill flavor and it was "hella" unclear, because half the game thought it was 2 kills.

[PJ.]

Panzer only madness lies down this path

Is merely asking someone to stop being disingenuous(despite how rude I was) really the path to madness?

[PJ.]

Poor guy

[PJ.]

I do not watch Japanese porn cartoons.

[PJ.]

@Kraska: How do you know if Math can target you or now??

[PJ.]

UNVOTE:

[PJ.]

UNVOTE:

[PJ.]

*typo on "now", supposed to be "not"

[PJ.]

I really want this fucking day to end and you're already at like a lot of votes

Also, the mod confirmed the flavors were linked you realize.

Lazy shit like this pisses me the fuck off. You're basically saying that you don't care about my alignment at all and just want any lynch. Maybe klingoncelt was right about you being scum

VOTE: expedience[/quote]


Oh exp is definitely scum, but i think you are too

[PJ.]

I do not watch Japanese porn cartoons.

See Scrub, this is defensive. Now I don't believe Nero either.

BUT I DON'T!

[PJ.]

I really hope that you're not serious.

I'm sorry to say that I'm actually a little bit serious about that.

So wait.

Let's get this straight.

You think there is a serial killer (by definition a person aligned with themselves) in a 32 person game. So you're saying someone has to face 1v31 odds?

This might be true for some mods (Varsoon likes to do this, but with closer to 1v19 odds), FA is not a bad mod. (No, Varsoon. You aren't a bad mod either. You just like to give people ridiculous odds). I will eat my shoe if there is an SK in this game.

Isn't there a claimed poison doc already? Aren't poisoner all Self-aligned?

[PJ.]

Note: randommidgit hoping with no reasoning after lurking

VOTE: Skrub i've seen enough

Exp or RM tomorrow

[PJ.]

Lol, man wow yeah I'm ready VOTE: DS this is just wow man. We can get a lurker or exp/rm tomorrow.

[PJ.]

I can buy a DS lynch but I think TAM would have to be a buddy dontca think?

Nah he's been scumming it up all game and consistently trying to derail every popular wagon, he's a bad bad man. We can get TAM tomorrow cause he's just lurker scum if he is scum.

[PJ.]

I do not watch Japanese porn cartoons.

Anime isn't necessarily porn.

Cowboy Bebop isn't porn.

[PJ.]

VOTE: tam

If he flips town, it's varsoon tomorrow. If he flips scum it's ds. Win win.

[PJ.]

Furthermore, I fail to see how a town flip leading to a lynch on another townie is a win-win. I fail to see how a town lynch is a win at all.
If he flips scum, why is DS the next target to hit?
Make some sense, panzer.

DS is his buddy if he's scum. You are distancing from a wagon you were all about 2-3 pages ago if he's town. Win-win. 2 scum if TAM is scum, consolation prize being being 1 scum if he's town. Gj making it real easy for us varsoon.

[PJ.]

Nothing about that makes sense. I specifically dropped off of TAM because I had second thoughts on his alignment and I realized his play here only reminded me of town games elsewhere.

Or you were distancing. Which is probably way more likely than your fake revelation and your earlier claim to know roles in the game. I think you're my strongest scum read.

[PJ.]

@Panzerjager:

Then your judgment is shit. I'm town, and I think TAM should be given at least a day to produce content.
If you followed the interactions at all, you would understand.
Instead, you're conf-biasing.
If I'm your strongest scumread, you don't deserve to be heard.

But certain kinds of anime porn are good.

Vote Kraska

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Spyrex, Nacho, Varsoon team?

[PJ.]

Of the lynches proposed, I think TAM and Skrub give us more information than the rest of them. I found a lot of the interactions around the TAM wagon particularly interesting.

I'm not lynching kraska no matter what.

I'm most confident in scum in DS, RM, exp, and Varsoon but none of those people seem to be option.

[PJ.]

Yo, isn't poison normally on a delay? I think anyone who has kraska on self aligned poisoner needs to read the wiki.

[PJ.]

Please don't post a 20 page word document in thread. I'm not gonna read it and still think you're scum so it's not gonna do anything but be a brick of words people need to scroll by.

[PJ.]

Just swing your vote on to TAM. It's your best bet for not being mislynch today #coachemup

[PJ.]

Bullets. Or clockwork orange style torture so they don't make these days last the whole 2 weeks

[PJ.]

Bullets. Or clockwork orange style torture so they don't make these days last the whole 2 weeks

I mean, there's a definite possibility of scum among them. But that would insinuate that the current 2 large wagons contain a scum member as well. So I think we should lynch one of these two today and the other tomorrow if we get a town flip. Then look into the vanity voters afterwards as we should have a decent amount of info and interactions to analyze.

How's that?

No torture?

[PJ.]

Just swing your vote on to TAM. It's your best bet for not being mislynch today #coachemup

Why TAM?

Because he's a wagon counter to you. At this point the race has been narrowed down to a 2 or 3 horse race(depending about how you feel about Kraska/mirhawk - which should really be condensed into 1 wagon because one is only scum if the other is scum) unless there is a mass exodus off one of those wagons on to an unsuspecting scumslipper(varsoon/rm pref) then regardless of your alignment it's in your best interest to put your vote on one of the other horses. I think Kraska/mirhawk is town and teaches us way less than a TAM lynch. Numerous people have acted p shady around his wagon and unless you are aggressively acting against your alignment then that is the best lynch IMO.

[PJ.]

Yeah cowboy bebop actually not that good.

[PJ.]

It's definitely one of my top 5. Probably around #4. I just wish it felt a bit more connected.

That's exactly why it's not very good, but I don't like shows written in that style in general. I really enjoyed bebop movie, but guaranteed cowboy bebop proper isn't even in the top 100 imo.

[PJ.]

But it's not even top 5 in that style

[PJ.]

I don't even think it's top 5 by that director either.

[PJ.]

Idk if there is other support for a wagon on her, let's do it. Just seems like it's me and you.

[PJ.]

Iconic =/= good

[PJ.]

Bleh. See you space nerd

[PJ.]

Spyrex, who do we not lynch in thr first 4 days of a game this size, on general principle because of their potential value as scum hunters?

You're asking old guard who was long removed. But nacho, abr, dgb, panzer had their chops. Enough id think twice.

Moreso, theres a subset even if I'm not 100% on town I wouldn't for the first few.days based around.activity. we've got.way to much divide between actives and not.

Whoa hold the fucking phone, I never had chops. I'm legendarily bad at mafia, don't be out here trying to clean up my bad name.

[PJ.]

Also this whole nos wagon feels like the scum need an easy lynch to cover for nacho here, and the hit the most annoying lurker because skrub would be way too obvious.

[PJ.]

Why do you think one of the teams is 3 people?

[PJ.]

Then come after me chuckles cause I've clearly been down with nos for a while. I mean this is tam all over again except at least you'll triple down on bad and at least call me scum. I mean you wont vote me but hey gotta keep that one coin.

And panzer too bad i remember youre legit deal w it

Idk if you're scum it's with nacho, so before we talk about you I want to take down nacho. Nacho gives us waaay more info then nos. Nos is just a straight lurker no interaction wagon. Do it without me if you're gonna do it.

[PJ.]

Lots of bad on the nos wagon too. Vax, rach, tam, exp, kts. It's only gonna get worse once varsoon jumps ship onto the nos wagon too. I think I like 2 people on that wagon as town.and one of them is conditional.


Pedit: I agree with cakes.

[PJ.]

Don't beat a dead horse, you have 3 days to try to not get mislynch ed here. Don't bother with lost arguments.

[PJ.]

Right, how does that make him scum though? His argument is that a complete lack of presence is null. Which it is.

[PJ.]

It's not promising.

[PJ.]

i really hope i'm townreading nero because he is town and not because he agrees with me all the time

[PJ.]

So you think he is just an apathetic townie?

I think it's 50/50.

[PJ.]

The Nope is for the list of 10.

I do not lynch anyone that is not in my top 5 scumreads.

If y'all don't want to lynch in my top 5 or make an argument that causes my top 5 to change I don't see a reason to move my vote.

You realize this is anti-town, right?

I think it is anti town to not lynch in your top scumreads when there is a shit ton of time left.
You want me to vote your wagon you have to convince me.
That is how Mafia works.

If everyone played like this and was obstinate as you, town would never lynch anyone and scum would win every game. Anti-town

[PJ.]

stop speccing please.

We have, for one, a claimed poison doc. poison is a belated kill right?

I forgot who claimed poison doc, who was it?

[PJ.]

what does town who don't give a fuck do?

Flake out, usually.

Except this is the same thing you did, you lurked for a WHILE then you came back and your whole thing was that you were in a lose-lose situation because if you stayed gone you were dodging pressure and if you came back it was lurker scum trying to avoid a lynch. Oh, and your first post in the entire game was "I don't give a fuck about this game imma quick hammer fools". So I'd say it's pot-kettle here at the very least.

Someone tell me why lynching a guy with no content is better than lynching a guy who has significantly more interaction with key scummy players in this game, when both ate up for the same thing?

Also compare who is on the wagons. Exp, vax, Ari all kinda scummy and the guy who started the wagon is on tam's kill list.

This is ridiculous guys, I understand nacho has a reputation for being a good player(an earned one, undoubtedly) and the town wants to keep good players, but yo, good players get scum pms sometimes too. There is more to be gained here taking out nacho then leaving him alive and I think the town can vig a few of the deep lurker scum like Nosferatu instead of letting TAM off the hook here with a really scummy power wagon on a completely random lurker.

Math, do me, your friendly neighbor, a favor here. The kraska dealie can fall in time. Right now, we need flexibility because the town is about to lose a slippery scum here if we don't unite.

[PJ.]

I still have 10 pages to read, fuck this, fuck you, it's fucking halloween, you fucks. Fuck

[PJ.]

There is no way an experienced player like Kraska would forget to claim PGO.

I'm an experienced player, I probably wouldn't have claimed pgo day 1.

[PJ.]

DS i understand i believe in the me that believes in you

Pedit: honestly, because I legit was not aware that was the accepted meta, I have very little experience with that role in particular despite being an experienced player. I probably would not have claimed.

[PJ.]

I think mirhawk or panzer said ds

Me mirhawk math davesaz.

[PJ.]

I said 10 pages of useless right? Just wanna see how close i get

Real close but I posted =[

[PJ.]

I give up, I will work on other town reads, and see if we can come up with a consensus and get a lynch before deadline.

I have wasted too much time and energy on this, instead of reading through the ISOs like I had planned.

Bus nacho, it's easy.

[PJ.]

Alright, 15 pages appeared since my last check. Not gonna read them right now. Can we lynch Nos and move on now?

No

[PJ.]

Because TAM is scum and I feel that if we lynch Nos here that the town will be in an irreparable hole.

[PJ.]

The common accepted math right now is 5 5 1 17, right. Mislynch + 3 more town kills has us at 5 5 1 13. I don't like those odds. And I don't want to hope for cross kills.

[PJ.]

On top of that, it'd be a power lynch and a lurker lynch.town would down to 56% of the game, with super limited info. That's a p big fucking hole, if we're looking at the worst case.

[PJ.]

Like if the town doesn't get it's shit together by tomorrow, it's gonna turn into fucking battleship.

[PJ.]

Like if we get 4 shot again today, we are literally a mathblade meltdown away from a possible 11 to 9 situation.

[PJ.]

But TAM at least is a real lynch. Nos is a shitty lurker lynch. He has basically no interactions to parce. Nothing of note for tomorrow. Everyone on the wagon is scum, self-preservation, bad town, and/or spyrex, who just wants to see the world burn.

[PJ.]

At the end of the day you're gonna look back and go "wow, Nacho was lynched for shitty reasons" but it's not like that's going to help you fix it and find scum, it just means you lynched me for shitty reasons.

But they are the same exact reasons that you're lynching nos though.

[PJ.]

Only underpressure

[PJ.]

If you want to split the difference and bus varsoon or exp, I'm cool with that. But I remain unconvinced on nos.

[PJ.]

I agree, he is uninterested in the game, how does that make him scum?

[PJ.]

Except rach made the wagon grow, not you.

[PJ.]

@Vax kraska still has 1 vote I think

[PJ.]

The logic that he's using to take down nos is the same he's using to excuse his behavior tho. I agree he was legit busy but that besides the point.

[PJ.]

There isn't really a difference imo

[PJ.]

i'm a fucking soothsayer

[PJ.]

@kling; no scum in the hood. The entire idea of scum being in the hood came from kraska being scum, but she's not so...

[PJ.]

This stinks like compromise, gross.

We'd be better off lynching masters and shooting nos.

Or skrub, I haven't read the intervening pages yet but I'm sure he never stopped being scum.

Then take your vote off the dead wagon.

[PJ.]

Cerberus, my approach to you yesterday was less because I was scumreading you and more trying to get you to see that our approaches worked very well together for early game.

I meant to respond to this earlier.

So, if you're scum, it was Advanced Buddying, tailored for me?

That's exactly what it would be.

Sweet. Okay everybody, TAM is probtown now, I don't believe they actually have the experience with me necessary (especially compared to the experience they have with other individuals in this game) to make me a reasonable buddying target.

Just to be sure though..what games have we played together Nacho? There are three or four I think? A Musical Mafia is one, what were the others?

this is the scummiest scum in plain sight bullshit scummy ass scum gah fuck.

[PJ.]

The whole thing. Every word.

[PJ.]

Vax, you should come on over to the right wagon.

ABR, why did you switch buddy, you were doing sooooooooooooooooooooo good.

[PJ.]

Consider me checked out if we don't get tam scum here.

[PJ.]

yo, make notes, figure them out, then posts the cliff notes version.

Unless it's either about TAM or Nosferatu, stop shitting it up with shit we already solved 40 pages ago.

[PJ.]

@Everyone not on TAM or Nos, what's happenin?, are you thinking about changing your vote? What is your plan for deadline? What do you need from us to get you on board with choice a or choice b? Is this a panic and powerlynch with 1 hr remaining situation? Are we at threat level red?

[PJ.]

I'm undecided on Masters and I don't think Nos is worthwhile. I'd pile on masters if I had to but really what are people thinking about Kraska? We actually DO have to lynch her eventually.

We dont, cause she's town. Also self preservation says, wtf man, if you think she's scum then you're acknowledging that you are the top scum suspect in the hood and should be taken down accordingly. This is awful lone. Fuck. Yo, y'all need to fucking play right. Get some fucking bushido and let's lynch some fucking scum.

[PJ.]

Wait, so you weren't trolling when you said you thought kraska was an sk pgo poisoner?

I'm an nk immune miller vig so I buy self aligned pgo poisoner

[PJ.]

0 because this game has stupid roles.

[PJ.]

Vote tam.