Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[PeregrineV]

PV i'm shaking my head and clicking my tongue at you

I hear you.

[Not Chara]

Gamma: it's an old tell where when a replacement criticizes the play of who they replaced, they're scum. it's actually not all that alignment indicative, but the point is that town wouldn't really care about the play of who they replaced but scum would.
in practice, it depends on the player and not so much on their alignment. especially when Amished is a tell that is fairly well-known.

that's not really what it's supposed to be.
it's not "critcising" your predecessor (sometimes they just play like shit), it's calling your replacee SCUMMY
the original idea was how the f*ck would you see SCUM MOTIVATION in your 'town slot.'
it's useful when applied correctly...it just tends not to be a lot of the time.

this is a good correction.
when i said 'criticize', i did mean 'call them scum', but i could see how my wording lends itself to misunderstanding.
what do you think of House's vote there?

[House]

pedit: i don't know you at all, and don't pretend to. just jokes, friend.
still a bad reason to jump on that wagon.

That might mean something if I wasn't already scumreading Pepto, friend.

[Not Chara]

i know you were. but your timing was rather bad.

[Andrius]

Recent Chara posting has solidified a read.

If for some reason we cant lynch the pepto slot, can we consider giving Chara death? Im mobile now but will compile my words and thoughts in a bit.

Doesnt seem actually bothered that no one cares about their Magna vote. There's no effort in convincing anyone of the read, no real effort taken to make it a thing. Just a vote.

Then the Amished tell. Assumimg they're not an alt/hydra/whatever, it just reeks of hey its a Named Tell that Im dropping here. But Im not saying I think thinks its relevant, just wondering if anyone else sees this.

Like they dont want to make waves but want to look like youre posting content

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah NC has been feeling off for a while. Would totally be down for a NC lynch if that was what was happening.

[Not Chara]

what is your point with the Amished tell? my point is it's a bad tell and i'm questioning House using

that

as the timing to finally place his vote on the pepto slot.

you keep saying that, 'don't want to make waves'. it was magna's response to my question about why zakk didn't vote him, too. he called zakk scum afraid to start pushing Magna lest he get pushed back.
i'm trying to engage, but the players i'm talking to don't happen to be around right now. and taking my demeanor to be anything other than how i always post is plain incorrect.

question for you, Andrius. 1283. what do i have to do with Creature, exactly? why pick this comparison?

Magna is scum who i plain don't feel like casing right now. don't worry, i'll get to it. if i don't decide to change my mind to you, of course.
finally: explain why i want to look like i'm posting content. i'm under no scrutiny for lack of content. i have a lot of posts, but have not been accused of fluff. no one accept Magna has called me out on neglecting to respond to things, and no one even brought up that i wasn't voting for a period of time. (in my experience, this is pointed out a lot, so honestly i was kind of expecting it)
my place in this game is not one where i need to look like i'm forcing content. you aren't looking at motivations, just the surface. why is that, Andrius?

off-topic question: why on earth would i be a hydra? what would me being an alt or hydra even have to do with the Amished tell or my feelings about it?

[Nahdia]

Magna is scum who i plain don't feel like casing right now.

This is townposting.

[Not Chara]

that's a bit arbitrary. why is it townposting?

[House]

i'm questioning House using that as the timing to finally place his vote on the pepto slot.

You mean placing my vote

back

on Pepto slot?

It wasn't my first time on the wagon. I left too sheep Blade, then hopped and haven't made it back until now.

[Nahdia]

that's a bit arbitrary. why is it townposting?

Because I don't see scum posting it.

[Not Chara]

sure, on page 26.
you had plenty of material for pepto. not things i agree with, but i can still see the thoughts there. but you choose the Amished tell as the timing to place your vote? it's so odd. like you were waiting for a good time instead of just pushing your scumread without regard for timing.

pedit: ...well, i got that from the initial statement. why wouldn't scum post that they were being lazy? it's certainly better than being lazy and saying nothing about it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Nahdia is thinking scum wouldn't admit to being lazy, while NC believes scum would do it to not get called out.
Am I right?

[Not Chara]

not quite. just let me see what they say.

[House]

sure, on page 26.
you had plenty of material for pepto. not things i agree with, but i can still see the thoughts there. but you choose the Amished tell as the timing to place your vote? it's so odd. like you were waiting for a good time instead of just pushing your scumread without regard for timing.

Weak.

I don't play to please you.

[Nahdia]

pedit: ...well, i got that from the initial statement. why wouldn't scum post that they were being lazy? it's certainly better than being lazy and saying nothing about it.

I think scum would probably just not post at all until they were ready to say something concrete on the matter. Especially considering you just had multiple people say they'd be down to lynch you. It's just rather... candid, I guess.

[Gamma Emerald]

My opinion on the matter is that the candidness is towny, but not enough to be conftown.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Yeah Not Chara's push on House here is pretty bad. Speaking of surface level analysis - the "Your timing is bad" is that in a nut-shell. It ignores that House had already called the slot scum and voted it previously. It ignores the fact that I prodded House to get back on the wagon literally this morning. It ignores all the flow of the actual game and that Narna is scum who has surrendered given the hole his predecessor dug for him.

[Not Chara]

House: boo to you. explain why that happened instead of deflecting. the simplest of explanations would suffice. i keep disagreeing with your tell and you've nothing to say about it?
is Amished a good tell? defend it. or just tell me it's good and to sod off.
i've nothing to do with this.

better yet, tell me your read on me. i really can't tell what it is. :>

pedit: ok, thank you Nahdia.
Gamma: let me tell you something a friend of mine told me, newish player to newish player. we weren't playing mafia, but i think it applies. try not to let yourself be swayed by the opinions of others until you've had time to make up your own mind about it.

Magna: it doesn't ignore that, those points were brought up by House, but that isn't what i'm talking about. i'm talking about

that

tell in particular.
and, here's a hint: this isn't a push. this is what we call pressing for information. it's what some players do when trying to determine a player's motivation in what they've done, to better sort them.

[Gamma Emerald]

@NC: that is my opinion; it's a bit of a middle ground.

[Blade Dancer]

This being a bastard game I wanna try something.

VOTE: Skullduggery

Deflection.

[Blade Dancer]

This being a bastard game I wanna try something.

VOTE: Skullduggery

VOTE: Skullduggery

VOTE: Skullduggery
Thank me if something bad happens.

VOTE: skullduggery

Skullduggery can get 4 votes, but we cannot get 4 votes on scum all day. #frustration

[Blade Dancer]

i'm not floating anything

i wasn't going over the people in my wagon saying "he's scum, he's scum, he's scum"

i was going over the votes on my waon saying "this is a bullshit vote, this is a bullshit vote, this is a bullshit vote"

so what point am i avoiding?

you're totally misrepping me.

Um look a complete and utter dodge. For those who doubt zakk isn’t scum just making up things on the fly let’s revisit the posts I was discussing.

I also want to address this post.

zakk is great at faking scumhunting as scum
I wouldn't townread him for that yet

I have played at least five or six games with SirCakez in the last year or so.
In every game where he is scum, he drums up the fact that I'm really good at scum, and that people shouldn't trust me.

Compare

:

Kuribo in Wonderland:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Street Fighter Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Mass Effect Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Magical Girls Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Look at the way he constantly doubtcasts me, but ESPECIALLY as scum.

Note that I am town in all of these scenarios.
The only time I've been scum around SirCakez is when we were scum

together

, here:

Killer Instinct Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66274

So throw that in the pot along with all the votes which have been influenced by SirCakez.

That's all.

So 565 is where zakk goes to great length to show a multiple meta examples of SirCakez as scum doubtcasting him. Read that post in full and then look at the next post in the chain that I was pointing out.

also for those of you voting sircakez saying that it was my reasoning that helped you get to that point, you're probably full of shit

because all my posts 565 and 569 really did was show that cakez has a habit of suspecting me, and that his suspicion should be taken with a grain of salt

i didn't create a case for him to be scum, i didn't even say i had a scum read on him. i just said what he has done before, and as which alignment

i don't have a scum read on him, and actually don't think i've considered him scummy more than a couple times this game

so park that wagon, turn it around, and start barking up another tree, comprende? thxxxxx

So in 932 he specifically says that 565 was not a “case” and he doesn’t scum read SirCakez, that the people who used 565 as reasoning to vote SirCakez are “probably full of shit” and SirCakez isn’t scummy.

I point this out and zakk tries to ignore it until I point out his ignoring it for everyone to see.

Now look at his response I quoted above … does that look like anything coming from a Town perspective to you?

Firstly he mis-identifies the issue completely – he’s trying to say I’m “misrepping” his intention. Yet what was the intention of 565 then? It certainly doesn’t reasonably appear to me that he’s saying “Sir Cakez suspicion should be taken with a grain of salt”. If so he could have just typed that and not gone to the trouble of linking multiple games. That post says “Sir Cakez always does this when he’s scum”. His subsequent backpedaling is zakk scum play – flip flop constantly on positions regarding players to establish a pattern of “that’s how I play” so he can’t be held accountable for suspicions. He did that in Adventure Mafia all the time … in fact in the Mafia PT I had to warn him off doing it with Titus later in the game as it was going to get him lynched.

And this isn’t the only example of him here – now suddenly Andrius “isn’t a good lynch” just for providing a wall post. Keep in mind he’s been calling Andrius scum for most of the limited day. Can scum wallpost? Certainly. And he makes absolutely zero comment about any of the content of Andy’s post … just that he shouldn’t be lynched today if he posts like that. Switching gears off an unpopular push but leaving plenty of wiggle room to later say “Oh, I still think he’s scum, blah blah blah”.

Zakk is pretty obvious at this point.

Zakk is wrong on Cakez but not scum. SirCakez has a way of sounding fake as town. Saying you don't want to lynch someone based off new posting is ok, particularly if no one joins you.

[Creature]

Who's scum then?

[Gamma Emerald]

Just looking at the official VCs, Zakk, Gamma Emerald, Narna are not scum to Blade Dancer.