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[kraska77]

VOTE: elyse
@giga Hammeru hammeru

[chilledtea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 5.04

Elyse (L-1) : MichelSableheart, kraska77.

MichelSableheart (L-2) : Elyse.

Not Voting (1) : gigabyteTroubadour.

Day will end in (expired on 2016-10-14 20:00:00)

[Elyse]

?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: elyse
@giga Hammeru hammeru

dsafasdfas

3 days 0 hours..... give elyse time </3

[chilledtea]

MichelSableheart has been prodded.

[Elyse]

Oh shit the deadline is coming up. I thought giga was just giving me one arbitrarily.

I promise content tonight I'm sorry

[MichelSableheart]

@mod: It probably doesn't matter, as I shouldn't go up to three prods, but is an announced V/LA really equal reason to prod as an unannounced disappearance?

Ok, I'm back, so I should be able to answer any questions you may have for me.

In the meantime, I keep having doubts about Kraska. I'm not really comfortable with 2510-2512's fishing for a hammer opportunity, yet at the same time it feels rather blatant for scum.

@Giga: how should I read your reaction in #2513?

[Elyse]

Ok so both Michel and kraska are all "ughhh idk I feel like I could be wrong about you!!!" but kraska's is to Giga and Michel's is about kraska. So it's pretty ballsy and perhaps dumb for kraska to be willing to put the game on the line if she was unsure of Giga. Like would she really do that if she was town who didn't know Giga's alignment for sure? I wouldn't.

I initially thought that this was a townie move from kraska, but I don't think a Giga lynch was ever really happening. So scratch that.

I was also suspecting Michel over kraska because I was listening to Nero.

will go into that when i have time, i think he's my best townread :s

Can you go into this if you have time?

Again I'm really sorry I was demotivated/busy/focusing on other games/didn't realize the deadline was approaching.

I do think that we shouldn't rush though because we can still no lynch. We just won't have Giga's input which will suck. But it's an option if we run out of time.

You know
Maybe we should start by going through the blitz iso first

Omg this buddying

"we"

Ok

Basically I suck. I don't really know who it is. It could be kraska or Michel but I don't have many reasons at all. Like there's nothing that stands out to me in the slightest.

I feel shitty but like idk what to do :/

[chilledtea]

@mod: It probably doesn't matter, as I shouldn't go up to three prods, but is an announced V/LA really equal reason to prod as an unannounced disappearance?

No, but the duration of the V/LA was taken into consideration. The prod was for calculative purpose more than anything else.

[chilledtea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 5.05

Elyse (L-1) : MichelSableheart, kraska77.

MichelSableheart (L-2) : Elyse.

Not Voting (1) : gigabyteTroubadour.

Day will end in (expired on 2016-10-14 20:00:00)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Can you go into this if you have time?

Kraska and I picked out a few posts but Michel's interactions with Blitz were really strange for buddy interactions.

I also personally think that he fit the archetype of "misguided town" very well, his pushes on me felt genuine... Since Blitz was leading most of the push D2, I think scum!Michel would have approached the push a little differently.

His posts early game also show the most transparent thinking... I still think they're really genuine but I can feel Transcend, king of Genuine Posting^tm hitting me with a 2x4 for saying this so.

(i kinda think it might be michel though asdfads... the reason i was anti-no lynch in the beginning was because I thought Michel would die pretty much no matter what, and that scum!Michel kills me so it was pretty useless but asdfdsa)

@Michel, I don't think Transcend and Kraska are being IDENTICAL here, Kraska can actually work through the game and post things that make her read town/others read scum so she doesn't have to rely on AtE like Transcend had to in that game. read it as null.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Omg this buddying

"we"

Ok

i mean kraska and are are friends

buddies if you will

[kraska77]

i should get myself policy lynched in future games if it looks like i'll make it to mylo/lylo

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i should get myself policy lynched in future games if it looks like i'll make it to mylo/lylo

dsafadsfads

no pls

I'm kind of at a standstill for discussion topics but I'm just not... super crazy about Elyse!scum. At the same time though I really can't see anything else.

[kraska77]

yeah me too
elyse is scum i feel it i feel it in muh bones ...but knowing how shit i am at late game i dont really trust my judgement

[gigabyteTroubadour]

fuck it

elyse is still my scumread and i still think you're town so let's hammer test. i'm really sorry if it's kraska!scum but i was probably going to hammer you eventually.

kraska, if you're town, do NOT lolhammer.

[kraska77]

UNVOTE: elyse

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: Elyse

don't breaku my heart

[kraska77]

no heartbreaking im a townsie

[gigabyteTroubadour]

OH THANK GOD

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah i'm pretty sure it's elyse then but just in case

@both non-confirmed townies, why are you town? serious question

[Elyse]

Ok that makes me feel better

VOTE: Michel if I'm not already

Always trust Nero!!!

Why I'm town - really the only reason I can give is that I love playing as scum and am generally good at it. When I'm town, I often become disinterested in the game if I'm not doing well and hope I'm killed. If I'm fucking up as scum I usually try that much harder.

But that's unreliable self meta

[chilledtea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 5.06

Elyse (L-1) : MichelSableheart, gigabyteTroubadour.

MichelSableheart (L-2) : Elyse.

Not Voting (1) : kraska77.

Day will end in (expired on 2016-10-14 20:00:00)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

posting this many VCs feels like modsnark

i am currently metaing elyse to confirm her self-meta. i was hoping for in-game reasons but a meta request is fine.

[MichelSableheart]

Phew, that settles it.

@both non-confirmed townies, why are you town? serious question

It's not an easy question to answer though. I already know I'm town, which makes it difficult for me to answer that question from the perspective of someone who doesn't know that.

The best way for me to answer the question is probably to point out how you can determine the answer for yourself. Throughout the game, I have tried to make the reasoning for my suspicions clear. If you read through my posts in this game, it should be possible to understand where I was coming from. Look at that reasoning, and judge for yourself if that was a town perspective.

If I have to point out one moment where I feel I contributed to the town, I would have to point at my day 3 play. Not only did I realize there I was wrong about giga and adjust my reads accordingly, but I also feel I was pretty instrumental in getting shadow lynched.